Newbie 1233: Frogs & Toads Mafia (Town Win!)

[Voidedmafia]

Oh, and Pere, I will be V/LA from next Tuesday to next Saturday/Sunday. It MAY be semi-LA if I can bring my laptop (or can have enough access to a comp to post at least once a day), but I'd just make it a full V/LA just in case. Giving you a heads-up.

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[kondi2424]

I feel that the early Xephoria wagon was terrible, and makes him and Zenax's slot likely town.

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I completely agree with nurC's #259, and I can see town motivation spewing out of his Xephoria read.

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So overall, I have major townreads on Xephoria and nurC,...

That's where I call nurC town. Now, Voided, can you explain TS town?

[Xephoria]

Alright, reads on the people who replaced in. It's probably all going to be minor suspicions and mostly that I don't see anything scummy.

Axxle- Since the beginning he's been quite active and helpful, I don't see anything scummy with him.

Bonooru- I understand his feel, I honestly like him can't get much scummy reads. But still, he has to post at least something or try even if it's gut. Same goes to me It's better than doing nothing, it's going to make you look more scummy and not help town at all. For now I guess I don't have much suspicions on him.

I have no idea about elmo @.@

Kondi- I somewhat agree with him on the TS thing, I have some suspicions on TS too. I also don't fully understand why your supporting me Thanks though ^^ It could be because your scum and know that I'm pretty bad at scum-hunting. :3

NurC- Seems like a genuine person Hasn't posted in 2 days but otherwise seems town.

Overall I really have little except small suspicions on TS as to why he won't role tell after L-1

[Twistedspoon]

Overall I really have little except small suspicions on TS as to why he won't role tell after L-1

because no-one had declared an intent to hammer and there was good reason to have a deadline extension? Is that a good enough reason for you or do you insist on role-fishing here?

[kondi2424]

God I want to lynch TS

[nurC]

Hey guys, I got into a lil accident on friday and messed up my face and ribs a bit. I'm alright but I just haven't had the energy to read the last few pages.

I'll be back to posting regularly tomorrow...

[Voidedmafia]

God I don't want to lycnh TS. Besides, kondi, I just don't seem him as being as scummy as you say he is.

P-EDit: Ouch... Hope you feel better soon, NurC

[Chrimi]

Overall I really have little except small suspicions on TS as to why he won't role tell after L-1

Yeahhhhh, my vote is staying.

[kondi2424]

Hey Chrimi we're not lynching Xeph

[Voidedmafia]

We're not lynching TS, either.

[kondi2424]

Fine.

VOTE: Elmo

[Axxle]

I just had a look at Elmo's Isos and I'm really not getting a good vibe from them. Mostly too chaotic. Also, all this talk about TS being an asset since he's experienced makes me want to let him have at least one more day to live. I'm not exactly sure what I want, but I'll do this for now:

Unvote

Hmm... I know we should lynch someone Day 1 but I'm starting to get more and more reluctant to lynch anyone. I'm starting to think: "Well, I don't want to lynch those persons since they haven't posted much and thus we won't get much information out of them. I also don't want to lynch those other persons since they post frequently and thus they may be able to get information out of other people."

[kondi2424]

So Axxle is town. Discuss.

[nurC]

Begin catching up post:

@Chrimi:

Lucky me, because TS won't flip scum.

Anyways, TS & VM conf town.

Yes, I guess I should say confirmed town *to me*, as in you won't be expecting a vote on them from me unless they claim scum.

Why so sure about TS and VM? Because they're experienced and having nice posts? This is always the case that people who write nice posts = town and people who are all over the place (*cough*elmo*cough*) = scum, even though it's perfectly false.

Either way, there really is no reason why you'd be so sure of anybody's alignment...

Also:

Kondi, why do I always get scum reads on you >.>

Explain?

@Voided:

283: The vote is fine based on the reasoning given, but this post still feels like Elmo's just trying to ride on the curtails of the people who are already voting TS.

talk to me about the reasoning because I honestly didn't get a word of it

Well, you've got me in that it's nothing I'd sing praises about (really, it's rather mediorce), but the point is that it works enough that I could accept it to push a vote. I wish it was BETTER, but it works.

I don't like how you dodged TS's question here. You seem to have not understood the argument Elmo was making, but wanted to praise it anyway.

This reads to me like you're cheering on the wagon, without wanting to jump on it...

[nurC]

@Elmo:

Explain Bolded.

This refers to me saying that one of TS and VM is scum.

Reasoning: two opportunistic L-1 wagons (on easy targets that I considered more newbtown or confused townie than scum) and they (TS and VM) are on both of them. I'd say it's unlikely for them both to be scum, but the idea that one of the two is scum makes sense to me.

You could say its lazy town or lazy scum. Or a scum whos just trying to test the waters and see where they can blend in.
Im going for the latter

Bonooru's first post is certainly bad, especially since it looks like he read the thread (or at least part of it), but had nothing to comment on.

BUT, I feel like this reasoning here is even worse... I'd say Elmo is lazy scum rather than Bonooru from this kind of post...

VOTE: Nurc
Don't think Im just letting you off the hook Axxle

Reasoning?

Man I seriously can't read or just need a break from everything to clear my head.
Or I need to preview everything before I post
VOTE: Bonnaruu

What is going on...?

@kondi:

So Axxle is town. Discuss.

Why?

[nurC]

Overall:

I'm still satisfied with a TS (opportunistic play, not what I'd expect from a IC, lots of wagoning) or VM (similar to TS, maybe cheering on the wagon at the end there?) lynch, because I'm fairly confident that one of the two is scum.

With the deadline approaching, I would also compromise with an Elmo lynch, since his play is all over the place. But I'm having trouble seeing scum intentions behind this kind of erratic play, and I'd still rather lynch TS.

Also, I'm leaning scum on Axxle, but this is more of a gut read and he could just be new. But, all his posts seem to have lots of IIoA and talk about lurkers (reminding us about easy targets), rather than suspecting the players in the game.

I don't understand Chrimi's play, and I'd like to see more from Bon and Xeph, but they're pretty null. Finally, I agree with most of kondi's play and wouldn't lynch him.

Also:

@Xeph:

NurC- Seems like a genuine person

I'm not a robot if that's what you were thinking.

[kondi2424]

nurC, how do you have the same views as me on almost everyone? The only two I disagree with are Xeph and Axxle (Xeph is definite town and Axxle is a strong town read).

As for your question, it's his no-lynch talk. There is absolutely no point in bringing it up unless Elmo is his partner. If Elmo is scum, I'll consider Axxle-scum, but I also have that feeling about TS and Voided.

[Voidedmafia]

*cough*

I understood what he was trying to say, NurC. Again, it's not a GOOD argument (and I have expressed the sentiment that Elmo was just trying to get on the wagon quickly, or something along those lines), but it's not a BAD one either, and it barely suffices for placing a vote in my mind.

[Twistedspoon]

So Axxle is town. Discuss.

I'm pretty sure that he is. Certainly my strongest townread

Also, all this talk about TS being an asset since he's experienced makes me want to let him have at least one more day to live.

I don't think you should write me off just because I'm the IC as that role has no influence on alignment. But that's just a general thing

Reasoning: two opportunistic L-1 wagons (on easy targets that I considered more newbtown or confused townie than scum) and they (TS and VM) are on both of them.

It's rather standard in the RVS phases for players to be wagoned regardless of tells (as it's the random voting stage) if not merely to generate momentum, increase the game pressure and instigate reactions. I think a lot of early game pressure can be a (perhaps weak but still inherent) towntell too (as I've expressed earlier on some Elmo and VM mannerism). Opportunistic play is rather ideal to get the game going and get the game out of RVS in the early pages. It's only after RVS has finished that it truly becomes a scumtell of sorts~ (I think the SEs can back me up here)

[Chrimi]

Hmm. I'm sure that it's not TS and VM because I just see no point in anything they're doing as scum. They're just acting like their normal townie selves, and nothing different. I got major gut town reads from them, so don't expect me to vote either.

Null on Elmo.

And I still want a Xeph lynch >.> He just seems to be hiding in the shade...

[kondi2424]

Xeph's town, suck it up

[Twistedspoon]

Xeph's town, suck it up

why is xeph town? =/

[kondi2424]

Already explained, should be easy to find.

Speaking of which,

@Voided: Why have you STILL not answered me about why TS is town?

[Chrimi]

Xeph's town, suck it up

why is xeph town? =/

[kondi2424]

Already explained, should be easy to find.

Speaking of which,

@Voided: Why have you STILL not answered me about why TS is town?