NY 151: Playground Mafia (Game Over-Mafia Win!)

DeasVail · Post Post #2000 (ISO) » Fri May 18, 2012 4:42 pm

I do agree that meta can be used in very wrong ways, but I found it hard to believe you could completely disregard it. I'm satisfied with your answer though.

Maxous · Post Post #2001 (ISO) » Fri May 18, 2012 5:12 pm

VOTE: Fake God

I find it interesting that tml voted him but regardless, this should happen.

In post 1961, mastin2 wrote:
Teams as they stand are Junpei-kdowns DV | TML-shotty-FG.
Worked it out last night.

What do you think about tml voting fg?

kdowns is okay I suppose.

Mastin and Junpei are still not a good idea.

FakeGod · Post Post #2002 (ISO) » Fri May 18, 2012 5:29 pm

Junpei is town.

Pretty sure this guy is scum.

VOTE: Nero Cain

HezLucky · Post Post #2003 (ISO) » Fri May 18, 2012 6:45 pm

In post 2002, FakeGod wrote:Junpei is town.

Pretty sure this guy is scum.

VOTE: Nero Cain

Your deflection of the Junpei wagon is noted.

I'm a bitch, aren't I?

The Mini-Librarian · Post Post #2004 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2012 5:08 am

In post 2002, FakeGod wrote:Junpei is town.

Pretty sure this guy is scum.

VOTE: Nero Cain

I would love to have even the simplest of reasons for both of those statements.

The Mini-Librarian · Post Post #2005 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2012 5:19 am

In post 1974, HezLucky wrote:I picked a random mini to help hone my scumhunting skills (DAMN YOU PARANOIA MAFIA) - it was Divided Germany.

Junpei was in that game. He was town.

He is not playing here like he was playing there. Junpei was a helluva lot more vocal in that game, and a town leader.

Vote: Junpei

I was also in divided germany. I don't think I'm playing the same way I did in that game. Does that make me scum?

Junpei · Post Post #2006 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2012 5:55 am

In post 2005, The Mini-Librarian wrote:
In post 1974, HezLucky wrote:I picked a random mini to help hone my scumhunting skills (DAMN YOU PARANOIA MAFIA) - it was Divided Germany.

Junpei was in that game. He was town.

He is not playing here like he was playing there. Junpei was a helluva lot more vocal in that game, and a town leader.

Vote: Junpei

I was also in divided germany. I don't think I'm playing the same way I did in that game. Does that make me scum?

I doubt he actually read that game. I'm confident he just cherrypicked a game I was in and ISO'd me.

HezLucky · Post Post #2007 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2012 6:43 am

In post 2005, The Mini-Librarian wrote:
In post 1974, HezLucky wrote:I picked a random mini to help hone my scumhunting skills (DAMN YOU PARANOIA MAFIA) - it was Divided Germany.

Junpei was in that game. He was town.

He is not playing here like he was playing there. Junpei was a helluva lot more vocal in that game, and a town leader.

Vote: Junpei

I was also in divided germany. I don't think I'm playing the same way I did in that game. Does that make me scum?

I'm not ruling it out.

kdowns · Post Post #2008 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2012 9:59 am

LOL at hezlucky pulling a meta reasoning.

Not Defending Junpei, I just thinks it's hilarious

StrangerCoug · Post Post #2009 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2012 10:41 am

In post 1973, Junpei wrote:
In post 1831, Junpei wrote:
In post 1793, Seacore wrote:Howdy,
I've got a pretty busy weekend going at the moment, with an out of state wedding to go to. So expect me to start getting caught up in a few days. But don't expect me to get 'caught up' caught up. It'll be some ISOs and a skim.

Could somebody please outline the case on Junpei? I don't really care about the case on me, I can't defend Pine's actions.

He knew that we were the two wagons of the day for sure. Yet he doesn't vote me. What changed 10 minutes and zero posts later?

Quoting your post doesn't answer my question. It tells me

THAT

you were surprised, not

WHY

you were surprised.

In post 1984, Junpei wrote:
In post 1981, DeasVail wrote:
In post 1980, Nero Cain wrote:You think I'm town but you like SC's vote on me. lololololololol

sigh

This is a great example of one of the big issues with this game: People like Nero frustrating people like DeasVail by using absolutely shitty logic.

Nero Cain actually sold me here, though it's for something he's basically guilty of himself. DeasVail thinks Nero Cain is somewhat town, yet finds my vote acceptable—a similar issue I have with Nero Cain's not caring about rack's alignment at the end of Day 1.

In post 1997, Junpei wrote:
In post 1996, Nero Cain wrote:He's seen my scum play. I attack my buddies pretty often (self meta, not great I know) but me knowing this I got a pretty big kick out of Jun saying that me and Mastin were scum b/c I barely mentioned him.

You should know I don't like meta, I get "a pretty big kick out of" you suggesting I care about your meta beyond the fact that you're highly immature.

Not happy with the

ad hominem

at the end of this post.

In post 2004, The Mini-Librarian wrote:
In post 2002, FakeGod wrote:Junpei is town.

Pretty sure this guy is scum.

VOTE: Nero Cain

I would love to have even the simplest of reasons for both of those statements.

Quoted for truth.

If this is indeed a multiball, then I highly suspect that Nero Cain and Junpei are on opposing scum teams. (I am completely unable to support either being an SK, so with a single Mafia team I can more easily cut out Junpei.)

Junpei · Post Post #2010 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2012 10:49 am

In post 2009, StrangerCoug wrote:Quoting your post doesn't answer my question. It tells me THAT you were surprised, not WHY you were surprised.

I was surprised that he DIDN'T immediately vote me. I was surprised that it took a 10 minute pause and another post to do so. I was surprised that he initially had the mindset that he wasn't going to vote me.

It's possible to think X is scum and think that Y's vote on X is good (good reasons, looks town).

StrangerCoug · Post Post #2011 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2012 10:55 am

In post 2010, Junpei wrote:
In post 2009, StrangerCoug wrote:Quoting your post doesn't answer my question. It tells me THAT you were surprised, not WHY you were surprised.

I was surprised that he DIDN'T immediately vote me. I was surprised that it took a 10 minute pause and another post to do so. I was surprised that he initially had the mindset that he wasn't going to vote me.

This still tells me nothing new. I already know the what; I want to know the why.

In post 2010, Junpei wrote:It's possible to think X is scum and think that Y's vote on X is good (good reasons, looks town).

DeasVail is leaning

TOWN

on Nero Cain. Therefore, it is odd that he supports my vote on him.

DeasVail · Post Post #2012 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2012 11:06 am

Um, I haven't read up, but al I said was that SC's vote wasn't bad...

OhGodMyLife · Post Post #2013 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2012 11:28 am

There's a LOT of people in this game who need to contribute or die. The lurking / active lurking level is outrageous.

Strongest town reads are still benmage and LLD.

I'm working my way through day one, but I remain convinced Junpei is scum. He should have swung from the gallows yesterday.

In post 2008, kdowns wrote:LOL at hezlucky pulling a meta reasoning.

Not Defending Junpei, I just thinks it's hilarious

1)Yes this is a defense of Junpei. A bad one.
2)Really? You've posted practically zero content, people are voting you, and this is all you've got?

In post 2002, FakeGod wrote:Junpei is town.

Pretty sure this guy is scum.

VOTE: Nero Cain

Same problems I have with kdowns post. Ignoring the people who are after you, giving us practically no content whatsoever.
Gonna need a real reason, for both the townread and the scumread. And we're gonna need a lot more beside.

Vote: Junpei

DeasVail · Post Post #2014 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2012 11:30 am

OhGodMyLife.

Reasons for Junpei scum would be nice.

Junpei · Post Post #2015 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2012 11:37 am

In post 2011, StrangerCoug wrote:This still tells me nothing new. I already know the what; I want to know the why.

..Because he should probably want to vote me just based on a simple fact which he expressed knowledge of at the time of the first post, yet he did not. I felt that if he were town he would have acted with a vote in THAT post, rather than mysteriously wait 10 minutes and then vote based on the aforementioned simple fact.

OhGodMyLife · Post Post #2016 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2012 11:49 am

In post 2014, DeasVail wrote:OhGodMyLife.

Reasons for Junpei scum would be nice.

In brief, arguing against the mass conclusion of shotgun-town and mine own conclusion of benmage-town. Same reasons I gave yesterday.

Additionally, the fact that his wagon went to the brink and failed in favor of a seacore lynch.

DeasVail · Post Post #2017 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2012 11:49 am

Not impressed, sorry.

DeasVail · Post Post #2018 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2012 11:50 am

Sorry, it's just that I don't think any of it is that scummy.

OhGodMyLife · Post Post #2019 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2012 11:59 am

Let me try to explain why this is scummy.

Over the course of the game the town is trying to confirm enough people as town to hopelessly trap the scum. This can be done through claims, cop results, anything. Shotgun's claim essentially confirmed him, but Junpei insisted it didn't, trying to create enough doubt to keep him in the pool of possible lynched. Its an incredibly pro-scum, anti-town move. Town have no reason to cast doubt on a confirmed innocent.

Similarly, though benmage is not confirmed in the way that shotgun was basically confirmed, strong reasons have been given to believe him town. Once again junpei tries to cast doubt on this conclusion.

Junpei · Post Post #2020 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2012 12:06 pm

Well my play this game pretty much confirms me as town on its own so you suspecting me and keeping me in the lynch pool is SCUMMY!

DeasVail · Post Post #2021 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2012 12:12 pm

In post 2019, OhGodMyLife wrote:Let me try to explain why this is scummy.

Over the course of the game the town is trying to confirm enough people as town to hopelessly trap the scum. This can be done through claims, cop results, anything. Shotgun's claim essentially confirmed him, but Junpei insisted it didn't, trying to create enough doubt to keep him in the pool of possible lynched. Its an incredibly pro-scum, anti-town move. Town have no reason to cast doubt on a confirmed innocent.

Similarly, though benmage is not confirmed in the way that shotgun was basically confirmed, strong reasons have been given to believe him town. Once again junpei tries to cast doubt on this conclusion.

I understand what you were getting at, but I disagree that it's scummy. Scum are more likely to go with the flow than worry about shotgun being widely considered town.

I don't think it unlikely that town would have doubts about someone like shotgun.

Nero Cain · Post Post #2022 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2012 12:39 pm

In post 2009, StrangerCoug wrote:

In post 1984, Junpei wrote:
In post 1981, DeasVail wrote:
In post 1980, Nero Cain wrote:You think I'm town but you like SC's vote on me. lololololololol

sigh

This is a great example of one of the big issues with this game: People like Nero frustrating people like DeasVail by using absolutely shitty logic.

Nero Cain actually sold me here, though it's for something he's basically guilty of himself. DeasVail thinks Nero Cain is somewhat town, yet finds my vote acceptable—a similar issue I have with Nero Cain's not caring about rack's alignment at the end of Day 1.

I sold you on what? Though its not quite the same. Rack was going to be the day 1 lynch. I was pretty confident that Rack was town. Its true that I didn't really care that he got lynched b/c he was useless and he'd just be a distraction from scumhunting. So IMO its different that he's ok with your vote early on as where I wasn't ok with a Rack vote until there was no alliterative since half the players sat on Rack.

Why Jun thinks my pointing out a flaw in DV's logic is "absolutely shitty logic" might be a possible link between the two.

DeasVail · Post Post #2023 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2012 12:45 pm

In post 2012, DeasVail wrote:Um, I haven't read up, but al I said was that SC's vote wasn't bad...

Nero Cain · Post Post #2024 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2012 12:52 pm

but you said you have a slight town read on me. If you have a town read on me you

SHOULDN'T

be ok with his vote. If you are lying about having a town read on me then well you're lying scum b/c town shouldn't lie. And how do you have a town read on me if you haven't read?