Ok, so Macro's ISO:
ISO 0: the random vote on void is very interesting at that stage in the game. His slot is under suspicion so it absolutely had to be in his mind that he could die soon and knowing he'd flip scum, he had to have figured the post would be looked at. Could he have been setting up Void to look like his buddy? Or maybe trying to get Void to over react and look bad? Regardless of what he was doing, I don't see anything that makes sense for Void to actually be his scumbuddy unless it was a weird distancing thing.
ISO 1: The catchup post.
Macro wrote:Fishy, Nacho and Debonair look town.
Based on Page 1 of his read. Nacho has already flipped town and DDD is likely town due to his claim. Would Macro give three town reads who are actually town? Slight scum points for fish.
Eh, Fishy's vote doesn't make sense, but he's likely town for other stuff.
Almost seems like he's excusing things that he sees fish doing that are scummy. Either he wants to keep his read consistant and thought fish's Page 1 was supertown or he's a buddy who wants to keep his town read. Really starting to believe this Macro-Fish connection quite a bit more now.
macro wrote:@Sleepless 86 Was Fishy suspicion still vibe-based at this point?
Should be obvious why I'm pointing out that Macro decided to bold this.
Um... Kortul's top of 112 is all "Look how town I am!" but the number of no reads (or equivalent) make this questionable.
Kortul's looking more like town, but:
At around 164 What exactly were your thoughts on Malee? Why did you not want to contribute them to discussion?
ISO 4:
I'm quite liking Kortul.
The first of these three quotes looks kind of like he finds it scummy but doesn't want to. Then he says Kort is a town read. Macro-Fish-Kort team maybe?
I've been feeling a bit iffy about Rhinox. Read under consideration.
I'm not liking Rhinox's change of vote from hiplop after fishy says they are town v town. I could see him as scum thinking "Well I don't need to be involved in that anymore." Still, I'm really waiting for the chance to ISO him before changing my townread.
After calling Rhinox town all through ISO 1, which I didn't see as notable until this. Let's see where it went though.
Debonair, did your vote on theo have anything to do with Voided?
Ok, Macro definitely wanted Void to look like a buddy after his flip. This is obviously intentional.
ISO 7: He has two lists. "Some form of town read" and "others". I GUARANTEE that one buddy is on each list OR both are "some form of town read" with the first being most likely:
Macro's town list, minus dead townies:
Fishy
Kortul
Sleepless
Hiplop
Macro's "other" list of those still alive:
Rhinox
DCL
DDD
Void
^
Guys, please look back at this list later in the game.
The most this tells me at the moment considering I have DDD and Void as town already, is that DCL and Rhinox are NOT BOTH scum. What it also tells me is that there is a good chance one of them is. But...{Fish, Kort, hip} is a pretty solid scum set right now. 1-2 scum guaranteed means at least a 33% chance. Yeah, I'm voting Fish at the end of this post.
Rhinox-> There are many things that make me think town, but there are enough things that make me question my initial read. I think that the attacking of hiplop is scummy and then withdrawing his vote and never returning to the issue. The other main thing is his vote and lasting suspicion on me. He doesn't agree with the reasons other people have for suspecting me, but has his own thing. He's too unaware of other people's thoughts and too concerned with having unique reasoning. Also his reasoning is bad. It's much easier for scum to vote off wagons than attract attention from joining a main one (especially one that was previously considered a townread)
More scummy, is that he's somehow gained a sustained scumread from this. He mentions my catch-up posts as making him have doubts of the slot, which suggests he was reasonably confident of us being scum. I don't see how town-Rhinox could have gotten there and I think scum tend to be more "jumpy" with their suspicions. (as in somehow getting a scumread off one thing and not really considering things properly).
It really seems like Macro likes to post the disclaimer that Rhinox is a town read before he criticizes any part of his play. As of right now, I think Rhinox is the other buddy.
ISO 14:
And you've pretty clearly lost your marbles.
^In response to hip calling him "pretty clearly scum". At first, I wanted to say a post like this comes from frustrated scum who is upset at the town players voting them, but could this be anger towards a buddy who is bussing? Hip seems certain Macro will flip scum. Meh. Not sure now.
ISO 16:
Alice, why do you think I'm scum?
Trying to get a townie to change their mind.
Alice
Magua is town.
ISO 22/31:
@Hiplop Can you say a short few sentences on why you think I'm scum?
@hiplop Why are you still alive?????
Ok, hip is town.
ISO 37:
There are only three people I don't have some sort of townread on: DDD, Voided, Rhinox, but I'm pretty sure they can't all be scum together. DDD and Voided are probably the stronger two scumreads and I'll explain why a bit later.
^Noting Rhinox there as the last option. I'm starting to be confident in Rhinoxscum now. Maybe more confident than Fishscum.
ISO 46:
@DCL: Do you have your own thoughts on why it's suspicious or are you just copying everyone else? (The latter is ok btw)
really looking for an opinion, trying to look like he wants an opinion to look town, or coaching a buddy? Hmm.
ISO 49:
You haven't, but the way you've done it is scummy.
I remember this little exchange with DCL and I'm starting to think DCLtown.
ISO 54:
Reasonably Strong Townreads:
4nxi3ty
Fishy
hiplop (the only thing about him is that he seems different from how I've seen him play before, so I'm not that sure, but logic says he's town)
kortul
Sleepless
Hmm. List hasn't changed since the first one.
ISO 68:
@Kortul: It's not rude of you to ask. I'm male, but what difference does it make to you?
Kort asking this looks like genuinely trying to read Macro. Gonna go ahead and say he's town.
So.
Conclusions based on a Macro ISO:
Rhinox and Fish are scum.
Vote Fish
It shouldn't be that easy, but Macro did a lot of rambling and gave us a ton of useful info. I'm actually pretty confident in this.
And glancing at Fish's list, it's not even close to mine. Hip and Magua fit as buddies??? Rhinox and Kort "pretty badly"??? DCL very badly??? Then again, Fish did look at everyone else's posts too, not just Macro's.
Meh.
My eyes hurt and I don't feel like doing more right now. I'd still like to:
-ISO everyone else, starting with Fish and Rhinox, with a focus on Macro's slot
-Check out vote counts, although this may not be quite as necessary with the info I get from ISOing.
If I don't get to do that, I understand. I feel I've figured out who the scum are anyway. I'd love to sit here and say "look at this after I'm dead" and say how right I am and all that, but I know once I die, I'm ignored. So I guess here's my thoughts and do with them what you will. If I'm still alive the next chance I have, I'll look a little deeper at the game.
Honestly though, I'm kind of curious and confused as far as why this hasn't been brought up. DDD, Hip, Magua, and Void. Can you list your reasons for thinking I am scum? I don't think I've seen anything yet.
