NY 151: Playground Mafia (Game Over-Mafia Win!)

[Benmage]

EBWOP:
Oops DV is suppose to be town.

[Benmage]

I guess I could get behind a fakegod lynch.

[DLG]

Read and consider Post 2432.

Read and consider Benmage's lack of response in Post 2433.

2433 is from scum unable to address the major issues in the case against them.

dlg get off the benmage wagon and vote the above.

Why should you being the vig impact my read of Benmage?

Alright, been doing some thinking regarding the 4 major wagons from Day 1 through Day 3. The following lists are the unknown alignment players from each major wagon. I listed them in alphabetical order of the player currently in the slot.

Rack - Lynched Day 1
Benmage, FakeGod, Maxous, OhGodMyLife, StrangerCoug, The Mini-Librarian

Seacore - Lynched Day 2
andrew94, DeasVail, FakeGod, Maxous, Psyche, redFF, The Mini-Librarian

Fallman7 - was Junpei (major other option on Day 2), Lynched Day 3
Benmage, Code_X, HezLucky, OhGodMyLife, StrangerCoug

Fallman7 - Lynched Day 3
Benmage, Code_X, DeasVail, HezLucky, Maxous, OhGodMyLife, redFF, StrangerCoug

The Rack Day 1 lynch had 6 known Townies and 1 known scum. I do not believe Lady Lambdadelta was the only scum on that mislynch. So, there must be at least one more scum in the 6 unknowns. My guess is 2 scum in those 6 players.

The Seaccore lynch had 4 known Townies, 0 known scum, and 7 unknown. I do not believe this was an entirely Town wagon, and think probably 2 or 3 scum in those 7 players.

The Fallman7 Day 2 wagon had 2 known Townies, 1 known scum, and 5 unknown. The only unknown player slot whose vote was not on either of these wagons is maxwell. Now, at that time, drmyshottyizsik was in the slot, so maxwell can't provide any reason for being the only player off of what turned out to be two wagons on Townies. I do not believe Lady Lambdadelta was the only scum on Junpei (Fallman7) at the end of Day 2. My gut says 1 or 2 scum in that 5 player group.

The Fallman7 Day 3 lynch had 1 known Townie, 1 known scum, and 8 unknowns (of which, all five from Day 2 were part of the Day 3 lynch). That makes for 1 or 2 scum from those 5, and maybe 1 scum in the other 3 - DeasVail, Maxous, redFF.

This is getting too long to be easily referenced in the future. I'm gonna break here, and give conclusions from the above in a couple of other posts.

[DLG]

So, here's my guesses from each wagon.

Rack - Benmage and FakeGod
See my Benmage case referenced at the top of #2527. I haven't looked completely at FakeGod, but gut and PoE are ringing scum alarms.

Maxous - not a complete read on my part, but I got no scum vibes from any of his posts contrary to my feelings regarding FakeGod.
OhGodMyLife - I think the early Firestarter case of IIoA on his catch-up post was trash. He gave some information in the form of notes on posts of interest to him, but gave analysis for his reads. Also, see here. What possible motive would scum have to point out the possibility that this Day could be Mylo for Town? Scum have a better grasp on the numbers, right now, and gain nothing from alerting Town to a possible danger.
StrangerCoug - No bad vibes, for me, on reading him, and I particularly liked his stubborn stance re: The Mini-Librarian and the breadcrumb/denial issue.
The Mini-Librarian - I had a decent town feeling on him, albeit the coincidence of Lady Lambdadelta flipping Godfather gave me pause. I accept his claim.

Seacore - FakeGod and Psyche, potentially DeasVail or redFF
See above for FakeGod and my first several posts for reasons for Psyche. Reagrding DeasVail and redFF, I'm unsure. Initially, I had both as Town reads, but think if there's a 3rd scum on this wagon, it is between these two from PoE.

andrew94 - I'm terribly uncomfortable with this slot, but will accept his vig claim and remove him from my scum list.

Fallman7 Day 2 - Benmage
See above.

Code_X - I can easily see his frustration and annoyance over the lack of contribution as coming from Town. I also like him wanting to know other's opinions on his recent input. That looks like town wanting to contribute and evaluate their reads in comparison to everyone else. I'll check that out and reply.
HezLucky - For the most part, I've felt my reads and feelings were similar to his, and I haven't had many, if any, moments of scratching my head on reading his posts. I need to re-read him to shift off null, and that bothers me on a gut level.

Fallman7 Day 3 - Benmage, and maybe DeasVail or redFF, and/or HezLucky.
See above.

So, my top scumspects are Benmage and Psyche. This is practically a dead heat in my mind, and I want a lynch/vig combination on these two. Preferably a lynch on Benmage and a vig on Psyche. Psyche has been so pitifully useless that I don't know what conclusions could be drawn from a wagon on him.

Next is FakeGod. I'll re-read and try to develop something more than above on him. Right now, though, I'd list him an easy 3rd place.

Below these three are DeasVail, redFF, and HezLucky. I would not support a lynch of any of these at this moment, but they are less Town to me than anyone else.

Everyone else ranges from leaning Town to solidly Town. Although, I just realized that the maxwell slot wasn't on any of these four wagons, and I'm not sure what that means. It seems almost too good to be true, but I don't know and need to scrutinize why.

[Psyche]

Um, hey, guys, how many scum do you think there are?

[andrew94]

Not that I'd consider directing PRs either way - but we have a claimed cop who I believe more.

cop got roleblocked, remember?

[andrew94]

Psyche has been floating around this thread long enough to have on opinion on things.

Absolute promise to give this game proper effort tomorrow, just unexpected stuff came up and such -.-

p.s. are we aiming to lynch mafia or the sk here? I'm a bit confused about it.

nice slip


@benmage, you should vote ohgodmylife, hes in your scumlist isnt he

[Code_X]

p.s. are we aiming to lynch mafia or the sk here? I'm a bit confused about it.

If Andrew is full of shit. Vig can kill him.

Puzzling why you think we shouldn't be going after the mafia.

@ Andrew. He's dead. Why exactly did you claim?

[andrew94]

to get ppl to follow me and lynch them.
whos dead?

illl answer that question before night

[Code_X]

Nero was the RB.

Albeit I guess mafia could have one.

[PeregrineV]

Vote Count 4-2

(as of Post 2534)

Benmage (4)

- StrangerCoug, HezLucky, FakeGod, DLG

OhGodMyLife (3)

- andrew94, Code_X, DeasVail,

HezLucky (1)

- OhGodMyLife

maxwell (1)

- Benmage

andrew94 (1)

- maxwell

Not Voting (4)

- Maxous, Psyche, redFF, The Mini-Librarian

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

Deadline:

Thursday, June 21 at 1pm CDT

Replacing:

No one

Prods (48 hours):

redFF
OhGodMyLife
The Mini-Librarian

V/LAs:

DLGJune 11

[redFF]

Ill catch up at some point. sorry about this.

[andrew94]

when your done, vote ohgod.

[redFF]

ogml replaced firestarter right?

vote: OGML

maybe we should mc at some point

[redFF]

soonish

[andrew94]

whats mc

[redFF]

mass claim

[StrangerCoug]

SC/Hezz

what do you do when I don't flip scum?

What do I do when you don't flip scum? I rip out your throat for sabotaging us, that's what I do.

Because I'm the worst here?? Come off it take this fake anger shit elsewhere.

All you've done is tunnel on me off late for really shit reasons.

If you honestly think lynching town reads is remotely near the best thing to do, you need to go back to the newbie queue. I have repeatedly asked you why your thinking makes sense and I have been unable to get a satisfactory answer out of you. The more you lynch your claimed town reads, the more often you'll be lynched yourself. I should not have to teach you or anybody else this lesson. It's

COMMON SENSE.

Who is?

Other than you, I'd practically bet my life savings that at least one, perhaps two, of the lurkers are scum. FakeGod stands out in this regard, but HezLucky makes a point that Psyche is not much better at providing content either.

And your opinion of max is?

Maxous has a good chance of being town.

SC

who all even falls under this "lurker category"?

FakeGod (as I've said), Psyche, and maxwell.

Fuzzy logic? Wtf does that even mean?

OK, I admit my thinking was a bit off, but you wanted the definition. The point of what I was trying to say is that what you advocate makes absolutely no sense to me—it's like what you think and what I think are in complete conflict with each other.

WIFOM.... okay? So?

I'll take that as a concession.

little scumhunting. Fair enough. Worst contributor. Hell no. (Guess you can add deflection to the list now)

When did I say that you were the worst contributor?

Few opinions...so?

I'll take that as a concession.

maybe we should mc at some point

The operative words are "at some point". Today is not a good time.

[Benmage]

SC/Hezz

what do you do when I don't flip scum?

What do I do when you don't flip scum? I rip out your throat for sabotaging us, that's what I do.

Because I'm the worst here?? Come off it take this fake anger shit elsewhere.

All you've done is tunnel on me off late for really shit reasons.

If you honestly think lynching town reads is remotely near the best thing to do, you need to go back to the newbie queue. I have repeatedly asked you why your thinking makes sense and I have been unable to get a satisfactory answer out of you. The more you lynch your claimed town reads, the more often you'll be lynched yourself. I should not have to teach you or anybody else this lesson. It's

COMMON SENSE.

-I'm very rarely lynched, and I don't think a game goes by I don't lynch town reads.
-Like I said I can be wrong.
-Being 1 useless vote out there does nothing. BEING ONE ISLAND OF A VOTE AND STAGNATING A GAME KILLS GAMES. SEEING LYNCHES THOUGH;

PROGRESSION

AND THEN ANALYZING THOSE LYNCHES IS HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED.
-It can help incriminate scum reads by proving them wrong.
--How are you so dense?

Who is?

Other than you, I'd practically bet my life savings that at least one, perhaps two, of the lurkers are scum. FakeGod stands out in this regard, but HezLucky makes a point that Psyche is not much better at providing content either.

And your opinion of max is?[/quote]
Maxous has a good chance of being town.[/quote]
Maxwell, the one who replaced shotty. The one Im voting. Fuckina. The one who has 9 posts mr. LAL.

WIFOM.... okay? So?

I'll take that as a concession.

ANd? There's nothing scummy about it...so. Who the fuck cares? You say this isn't my town meta. I PROVE it is. You go WIFOM. And here we are. My word vs yours. Subjective subjective subjective. If this is a 'case'. It blows.

little scumhunting. Fair enough. Worst contributor. Hell no. (Guess you can add deflection to the list now)

When did I say that you were the worst contributor?

My point is several of the issues you have with me could equally be said of a multitude of individuals this game. It would be absurd to call us all scum. And you are doing a poor job of deciphering. I'm sure there is atleast 1 scum in the several lurkers. But you might mislynch 3 times, and lose the game first. Starting with me/followed by psyche. Two townies.

SC

, do you agree that there is a common practice amongst scum to lurker hunt?

[Benmage]

Few opinions...so?

I'll take that as a concession.

Who couldn't this be said of?

[Benmage]

@DLG I appreciate the analysis, it something to keep doing. Color coordinating the flipped townies and flipped scum can help make it quicker on the eyes.

However the raw data must be weighed with play. If you think this is how a scum pushes through a mislynch, you are dearly mistaken:

Holy Fuck I'm not doing this deadline lynch bullshit again.

Junpei was scum.

Fallman CLAIMED SCUM IN HIS FIRST POST. THAT POST ONLY HAS SCUM MOTIVATION. SURVIVALISM IS A SCUM MOTIVATED PLAY.

HE DIDN'T SAY "LET ME SCUM HUNT". HE EXPLICTLY SAID HE WOULDN'T!

WE ARE LYNCHING FALLMAN TODAY. I WON'T LET SCUM DERAIL THIS LYNCH!

When he flips town, I'd like to lynch LLD.

unvote vote Fallman

Ok I'm just a vanilla bystander for this matter. What I was trying to say is that I wanted to start scum hunting on a new day since I was replacing someone. The only one that I am quite suspicious of at this point is ladylambdadelta I hope I spelled that right but I am suspicious of him alone. That's all I can say. Hammer if you choose.

Can someone tell me whether this is from town or scum? I don't know how to tell.

Probably town.

Basically you won't have enough support for a Counterwagon as people will still scream for FM's head. So just lynch.

[StrangerCoug]

-I'm very rarely lynched, and I don't think a game goes by I don't lynch town reads.
-Like I said I can be wrong.
-Being 1 useless vote out there does nothing. BEING ONE ISLAND OF A VOTE AND STAGNATING A GAME KILLS GAMES. SEEING LYNCHES THOUGH;

PROGRESSION

AND THEN ANALYZING THOSE LYNCHES IS HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED.
-It can help incriminate scum reads by proving them wrong.

THANK YOU.

You say this isn't my town meta.

I don't care about anyone's meta and I never will.

Maxwell, the one who replaced shotty. The one Im voting. Fuckina. The one who has 9 posts mr. LAL.

You should have clarified that; there are two people whose names can be shorted to Max. maxwell doesn't look good.

My point is several of the issues you have with me could equally be said of a multitude of individuals this game. It would be absurd to call us all scum. And you are doing a poor job of deciphering. I'm sure there is atleast 1 scum in the several lurkers. But you might mislynch 3 times, and lose the game first. Starting with me/followed by psyche. Two townies.

Nice job trying to scare me by saying that you and Psyche are town. It's not working.

SC

, do you agree that there is a common practice amongst scum to lurker hunt?

No.

[Benmage]

-I'm very rarely lynched, and I don't think a game goes by I don't lynch town reads.
-Like I said I can be wrong.
-Being 1 useless vote out there does nothing. BEING ONE ISLAND OF A VOTE AND STAGNATING A GAME KILLS GAMES. SEEING LYNCHES THOUGH;

PROGRESSION

AND THEN ANALYZING THOSE LYNCHES IS HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED.
-It can help incriminate scum reads by proving them wrong.

THANK YOU.

For stating the o.b.v.i.o.u.s

My point is several of the issues you have with me could equally be said of a multitude of individuals this game. It would be absurd to call us all scum. And you are doing a poor job of deciphering. I'm sure there is atleast 1 scum in the several lurkers. But you might mislynch 3 times, and lose the game first. Starting with me/followed by psyche. Two townies.

Nice job trying to scare me by saying that you and Psyche are town. It's not working.

Blind blind blind. GOGO TUNNELVISION!!!!! HUZZAH

This is where I go I'm > U... and endgame proves this.

SC

, do you agree that there is a common practice amongst scum to lurker hunt?

No.

Maybe I was too ambiguous. Do you think the site, recognizes lurker hunting as a scum tactic?

[Benmage]

Hezz:

And if you are town I will sheep your maxwell read -

actually, I will do this anyway

, given that I am voting you for what looks like a powerbus you pointing out another maf buddy of yours would be a fine play.

So if max is scum regardless, why not help me lynch him?

[andrew94]

benmage why you not voting ohgod