Open 411: The game of C9++! (Game over: Town Win!)

[absta101]

"you aren't really giving me a chance."
Dude, if you want me off you, convince me someone other than you is more scummy than you are.

I'm not buddying Ald, he shouldn't be lynched for his vote on you. If anyone is connected in this game, it's you, Vijay and ac1983. ac1983 for defending you beyond belief. Vijay for his chainsaw defence. And you for being overly cautious of Vijay's safety. That's all within the first 3 pages.

[Psyche]

Gah! We're going to sit around until near-deadline and then lynch Alduskell.

Join a large game, and things go too fast to keep up; join a mini and nothing happens until the end of the Day.

[absta101]

Psyche. What's your case on mastermind (short version)?

[Psyche]

1. Repeatedly throws suspicion around without substantiating this suspicion with votes — the "throw around suspicion, see what sticks" routine.
2. Weird phraseology and buddying
3. Raising concerns just to raise them, not with intent to hunt scum
4. No demonstrated intention to find and push wagons on scum
5. Defends his wagons more than he actually pushes them
6. Backtracking/lying about his stance on Venmar
7. Poor or nonexistent elaboration of reasoning for votes
8. couching this poor elaboration in wordy paragraphs to feign sophistication and deter analysis
9. lurking after being subjected to indefensible criticism

That this post is necessary annoys me.
There may be a venmar-mindmaster connection implied in this case.
Please read my actual case to be fully informed.

[absta101]

@Psyche
Why do you think mastermind is a better lynch than Venmar?

I think Venmar is better because everything seems to lead back to him. A few people are connected to him in some way. Mostly by defence.

[mastermind]

responding to the prod, sorry about that. I'll try to catch up now.

[Psyche]

@Psyche
Why do you think mastermind is a better lynch than Venmar?

I think Venmar is better because everything seems to lead back to him. A few people are connected to him in some way. Mostly by defence.

Well, Venmar isn't really scummy. :X

[absta101]

...
Anyway, mastermind is here now.

[mastermind]

mastermind

This guy is one of my other strong scum reads (only recently). Posts #29 & #32 are terrible. Blatant fence sitting on the Venmar situation. Still cruising along and fence sitting with the Venmar situation in post #47. Finally gives an opinion that we could work with in post #57 but doesn't say if it makes Venmar/ac scummy, still not helpful enough.

I don't get all this hype about this venmar thing. It hadn't even been two full days into the game yet, and for the record, RVS does not automatically end once page 2 starts. I was just trying to poke fun with ac, but I'm guessing people took that the wrong way...what a surprise. And in fact at that time, absta, you didn't even mention venmar's situation ever crossing your mind as being suspicious or not. You were just as "sitting on the fence" as I was, or even moreso since you choose to ignore it.

1. Repeatedly throws suspicion around without substantiating this suspicion with votes — the "throw around suspicion, see what sticks" routine.
2. Weird phraseology and buddying
3. Raising concerns just to raise them, not with intent to hunt scum
4. No demonstrated intention to find and push wagons on scum
5. Defends his wagons more than he actually pushes them
6. Backtracking/lying about his stance on Venmar
7. Poor or nonexistent elaboration of reasoning for votes
8. couching this poor elaboration in wordy paragraphs to feign sophistication and deter analysis
9. lurking after being subjected to indefensible criticism

I liked how I just made one statement about your posts, decide to go and completely write off venmar and ald with some evidence on venmar and absolutely none on ald, and then say I'm scum. Anyway, let's see what you got on me:

1. I made legitimate cases on absta and vijay. absta's vote from 44 was terrible and not town-like in anyway, and I found vijay's attempts to defend absta's vote buddying and scummy. I didn't vote at 57, because at that time I had something on absta that felt more scummy to me then venmar or ac.
2. I <3 you. Won't you be my neighbor buddy?
3. I don't get this lol. When I raise a point it is because I'm trying to "hunt scum"
4. When you posted this, I made my case on absta, so how is that not trying to push the wagon?
5. Do I really need to say "cmon everyone join my wagon! I'm right he's scum! Go go go!!!"? And how is trying to defend the case I had on absta scummy?
6. Like I said I was making a case on absta. I found venmar unimportant at that point, but still felt it was necessary for me to still talk about it instead of completely ignoring it all together.
7. This is true, I suck at making arguments.
8. I write what's on my mind, not try to make a wall of text, but I get what you mean.
9. I've had a crazy week, but I try to commit. Obviously I'm failing that aspect, sorry.

[Voidedmafia]

Votecount 1.11:

vijay2vasandani - Cynic Clinic
mastermind - Darkling_Perhaps, psyche
Venmar - Alduskkel, absta101
Alduskkel - vijay2vasandani, Nobody Special, ac1983fan, Venmar
ac1983fan - OhGodMyLife, Panzerjager, mastermind
Elmo TeH AzN - kondi2424

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch and to no-lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-06-20 15:09:21), or by 2:10 PM on June 20th, 2012.

Post 283 is not counted as per rule 5c.

Nobody Special and OhGodMyLife have been prodded.

[OhGodMyLife]

The only person aside from ac that I'd be happy to lynch right now is NS

[absta101]

VOTE: ac1983
Ac is the lynch today.

[PJ.]

why?

[Venmar]

Absta, why did you drop your read on me? You were all like " Hes scum! Hes Scum! " and now all of the sudden ac is a better lynch after some people don't show that much support for you?

[ac1983fan]

I'm sticking to my Ald vote. I can see some scumminess in mastermind's posts but frankly I still think Ald is the better lynch today. Actually, I'd even like to lynch OGML, based on the fact that he's literally said nothing since placing his vote on me
I think that anyone not voting myself or Ald should choose one of us to lynch in short order. We're the only two wagons with any traction. Obviously I prefer the Ald lynch, and I really do not get the case against me, but I've done all the defending against that that I can.

[Alduskkel]

Unvote.
Vote: mastermind

Psyche makes a good case. I don't like how mastermind answered Psyche's abbreviated version, rather the version

with all the evidence

. And I'm starting to think Venmar is just naturally cautious.

The case on me seems to mostly boil down to my vote on Venmar and my "contradictory" justification. I feel like I've explained both adequately. If you don't buy my explanations, then tell me why and how it's all scummy. Frankly, I feel like I'm being voted for because people disagree with my game theory about how scum act.

[Alduskkel]

Also, let's not get locked into an acfan vs. me false dichotomy. I'm not scum, and I don't think acfan is either.

[kondi2424]

Ald, I'm going to vote you due to unneeded repeated information in your last post. VOTE: Ald

PEdit: Directed at the post above that one.

[Alduskkel]

I don't understand.

[kondi2424]

And I'm starting to think Venmar is just naturally cautious.

[ac1983fan]

Kondi, your vote isn't going to count because of rule 5c...

[absta101]

@Jager
"and now all of the sudden ac is a better lynch after some people don't show that much support for you?"
This and the fact that I have more on ac.

@Venmar
I said i'm okay with a lynch of you, ac or mastermind. Ac is the better lynch today.

[absta101]

Absta, why did you drop your read on me?

My read hasn't changed on you.

[Psyche]

No, ac's not dying today. It's going to end up being Ald. Dissappointing, but good enough.

vote Ald

TOMORROW, MMIND. TOMORROW.
Absta tricked me into giving you a chance to respond to a watered-down version of my case. But I'm not interested in screaming "vote for someone, goddamn it" ten minutes to deadline, and D2 will be more productive anyway.

[Voidedmafia]

Bump