Open 419 Diffusion of Power - Game Over

[IceGuy]

We don't really have a way to check claims. Scum can safely claim any role since a counterclaim means nothing.

[Malakittens]

Okay claiming is definitively not good to claim on that specific night. Only time I think there is a good chance to claim is if they find a result on that night.

Preview: Yeah Venmar just explained what I was thinking perfectly. I don't think claiming is in the favor of the towns, but most likely in favor of scum. >.>

[Voidedmafia]

If they claim to have far X-Nights (or if they try to claim N1s), they can't claim too many at that point. I find it highly unlikely for there to be more than 2-3 on any given night, and even 3 feels like a stretch.

Meh. It's all random. Yes, having 3 docs (or cops) on one night is a 0.8% chance. But that doesn't mean we put those who claim to be Docs, and they all happen to fall on the same night, to the rope.

But certainly if there are that many should we not treat them with a little bit more concern than usual, yes? But really, there is no real "safe" fakeclaim for scum.

IceGuy, I stated quite plainly when I first mentioned the "same night cop/doc" idea that it should only be considered if such a thing comes up, and I already gave up the idea. Why are you voting me?

P-EDIT: Very well.

[Venmar]

We don't really have a way to check claims. Scum can safely claim any role since a counterclaim means nothing.

- Exactly why i don't like claims before certain nights right now.

PEdit: I think claims should only be AFTER your specific night in my opinion.

[IceGuy]

IceGuy, I stated quite plainly when I first mentioned the "same night cop/doc" idea that it should only be considered if such a thing comes up, and I already gave up the idea. Why are you voting me?

Because you should know better.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Don't see why we would want everyone that works on a specific night to claim, the chances aren't in our favor really. There's also the chance that a N1 cop would claim and a scum would claim N1 doc and the cop would end up dead, or a N1 cop would claim and no N1 doc would claim because there wasn't one. These are things we should consider, and that scum can always potentially lie themselves into the claim. Maybe not as a doctor because then a dead cop would put them to the noose, but a claimed cop maybe, and claim that a innocent townie turned up as mafia. Really, this will be a interesting game because claims will probably run rampant at one point or another. ( This is my prediction. )

Sorry, but this is like the 4th time I try reading this paragraph to no avail. My eyes keep glazing over the amount of times the word claim appeared in the post.

[Voidedmafia]

We don't really have a way to check claims. Scum can safely claim any role since a counterclaim means nothing.

PEdit: I think claims should only be AFTER your specific night in my opinion.

That's what I've been agreeing to...

IceGuy: That isn't an argument. Just because one should know better doesn't mean that they won't do whatever again.

P-EDIT: Pussy.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Voided

Bandwagoning, pressuring, pushing a lynch, etc etc...

[Venmar]

We don't really have a way to check claims. Scum can safely claim any role since a counterclaim means nothing.

PEdit: I think claims should only be AFTER your specific night in my opinion.

That's what I've been agreeing to...

- Sorry, that PEdit was aimed at Mala, not you.

- Also, sorry if my paragraph is hard to read, it is just how i write sometimes

[Voidedmafia]

Ven: ah, I see. Okay.

[Om of the Nom]

Hi guys.
I'm so tired right now. I just woke up and apparently it's 2PM :lol:

Claiming before using your shots is stupid, but what do you guys think of claiming after?

[Voidedmafia]

Hi guys.
I'm so tired right now. I just woke up and apparently it's 2PM

Claiming before using your shots is stupid, but what do you guys think of claiming after?

...

Come back after you read the thread, then ask that again. Go on.

[Om of the Nom]

I read the thread.

I just didn't pay much attention to it :V

[Voidedmafia]

THen reread it and pay attention.

[Om of the Nom]

Too many words lol.

[Scott Brosius]

Hmmm... only 2 players I don't know, Scott and Venmar.

VOTE: Venmar

PS: This is a serious question. Should everyone claim what they are the day after their specific night? Ex, a N1 cop claims on Day2?

So why did you pick him over me?

Cop day after claims are good, also doctor claims where they were most likely successful in a protection (could lead to scum claims but still prob worth it)

Voided's idea is bad and the fact that he claims he answered the question about how doc+cops with simultaneous nights would even know such a thing, is weird.

Vote:Voidedmafia

[2birds1stone]

Cops should claim the day there night's coming up (e.g., N1 cop should claim right now, N2 cop should claim tomorrow, etc.)

Means the docs can keep them safe when it matters.

Chance of the appropriate doc existing on any one night, you ask?

Three scenarii, each with an equal chance of happening

Four docs

(4/5)^4 that appropriate doc does not exist
40.96% chance the doc does not exist
59.04% chance the doc does exist

Five Docs

(4/5)^5 that the appropriate doc does not exist
32.768% chance that the doc does not exist
67.232% chance that the doc does exist

Six Docs

(4/5)^6 that the appropriate doc does not exist
26.2144% chance that the doc does not exist
73.7856% chance that the doc does exist

Average

66.6858666...% chance that there will be a doc available to protect a claimed cop

So, D1 cop should claim, yes?

Also, I thought Voided was suggesting cop claims and then doc claims if their day matches the cop's, which sounds like a bad idea to me, but not a god-awful-lynch-him-now idea.

Vote: Ser Arthur Dayne

I don't know why, but I'mma alter the facts to fit the idea that he's scum.

[Voidedmafia]

Did you even read the paragraph where I suggested it?

P-EDIT: Isn't my idea basically yours except that the docs claim as well?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Vote Count

Voidedmafia - 4(FuDuzn, IceGuy, Ser Arthur Dayne, Scott Brosius)
absta101 - 2(Venmar, Voidedmafia)
drmyshotgun - 1(absta101)
2birds1stone - 1(Malakittens)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 1(2birds1stone)

13 alive means 7 to lynch.

[2birds1stone]

P-EDIT: Isn't my idea basically yours except that the docs claim as well?

Yes, it is. The "doc shouldn't claim" bit is moderately important though.

And by moderately, I mean "yes, we should definately tell scum where the unstoppable kill is".

[drmyshotgun]

The hell? Game began already?

VOTE: Malakittens

Hello to everyone. Extra hello to everyone I know!

[drmyshotgun]

So we claiming guys?

[Voidedmafia]

2B's 41 makes sense.

Gunny, if you're not N1 cop, don't claim.

[absta101]

Also

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Voided

Bandwagoning, pressuring, pushing a lynch, etc etc...

Pressure doesn't really work if you tell them.
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I'll re-read later.

[IceGuy]

Cops should claim the day there night's coming up (e.g., N1 cop should claim right now, N2 cop should claim tomorrow, etc.)

NO.