Newbie 1252: The Other Game Town Wins!

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Day 1, Vote Count #7

194 (0) -
Fujiko (0) -
Thor665 (0) -
nhammen (0) -
RXK (1) [L-4] - Iknal
TheHossaim (3) [L-2] - Robocopter87, RXK, Fujiko
Iknal (0) - nhammen
Robocopter87 (3) [L-2] - Thor665, Majiffy, TheHossaim
Majiffy (0) -

Not Voting: 194

With 9 Alive It Takes 5 To Lynch

Deadline is set for July 6th. 6:12 PM EST (expired on 2012-07-06 18:12:00)

Let me know If I made an error

Fujiko is V/LA From Jun 20-24th

Because its a new page. Iknal has requested replacement.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Rachmarie replaces Iknal. Effective when she posts

[Majiffy]

You give scum information on who to nightkill, and you give scum information on who they should be attacking.

Scum that aren't up their own ass can figure this out themselves.

You are willing to lynch town?

D1 with a useless SE when I'm likely to be NK'ed? Yes.

And not scumhunting? Have you even looked at my Hossaim case?

Hossaim case speaks for itself. You didn't need to make it.

Been upgrading and customizing my PC for the past few days, now runs a windows based Linux VOS. Anyway, my thoughts.

[flip flop flip flop flip flop flip flip]

I am therefore going to

Vote: Robocopter87

You're scum. Thanks for the information I needed.

UNVOTE: Robo
VOTE: The Hossaim

This is today's lynch, kiddos. Click the link, read the post, and memorize why he's scum; no stance taken, jumps on an easy wagon.

This is easily noticed, intelligently made scum maneuver.

@Thor
I don't like how maffi just slid onto my bandwagon for no apparent reason, just to "see where it goes". But there isn't anything else other than that from him that's been scummy so ill let it slip.

Cute appeal to another experienced player, rather than to the whole town.

This is another classic scum-slip in newbie games

(note: only in newbie games, I don't have the experience to classify this as a game-wide scumtell for more experienced players)

Also:

Robo is still town.

That being said.... Robo, fucking improve your play,

ffs.

[RachMarie]

/Confirm

Will read up and post my first thoughts soon and meanwhile

UNVOTE:

[Thor665]

Unvote: Robocopter
Vote: 194

[nhammen]

Rachmarie replaces Iknal. Effective when she posts

Well, my vote on Iknal was partially a pressure vote, so
UNVOTE: Iknal/Rach

@Thor
I don't like how maffi just slid onto my bandwagon for no apparent reason, just to "see where it goes". But there isn't anything else other than that from him that's been scummy so ill let it slip.

Cute appeal to another experienced player, rather than to the whole town.

This is another classic scum-slip in newbie games

(note: only in newbie games, I don't have the experience to classify this as a game-wide scumtell for more experienced players)

Ummm... Thor asked him a question, and he answered...

[nhammen]

BTW, I think I should explain that unvote a little more. I voted Iknal in an attempt to improve his play the way votes had improved RXK's play. Additionally, I did find some of his play scummy, but it could just as easily be explained by lack of interest in the game. And there is no way a replacement could answer my questions to Iknal.

Now I just have to figure out where I want my vote. For now I will totally sheep Thor.
VOTE: 194

[RachMarie]

Well I do know a few faces here Hey Thor and Robo... Fancy meeting you here.

My first thoughts after reading this through (will do ISOs later), is Robo WTF? Seriously dude don't try that one again.

We seem to not have had much of an RVS (a shame would have loved to vote Thor for kicks )

As for the questions Majiffy asked:

Only on MS no other mafia games and I have completed 10 games, dead in 3 more that are still ongoing, and alive in 7 ongoing games for a total of 20. Will be doing my first IC game soon. Also modding my first game in the Open queue. I am fairly new to the site, but my bf has been here for about 2 1/2 years (Nobody Special).

As for roles, I like VT best, though scum can be fun too. Being Doc sucks.


@Thor you are kinda all over the place a bit? Usually you are tunneling more than this so what's up? Any particular reason for shifting over to 194? From what I have seen he is more lurking than anything else. Though I am not fond of lurking that does not automatically mean someone is scum.


Those are the things that stuck out with the first read, will take a look at ISOs and see where I feel my vote should be.

[Thor665]

@Rach - I drank enough wine to decide Robo was town. I tunnel, but I never tunnel people I think are town, that's why I'm going to lynch 194 instead.

[RXK]

I'm not sure if I follow the case against 194 or why he makes for a greater chance of coming up mafia as opposed to Hossaim.

Active lurking?

[Robocopter87]

You give scum information on who to nightkill, and you give scum information on who they should be attacking.

Scum that aren't up their own ass can figure this out themselves.

Says who?

D1 with a useless SE when I'm likely to be NK'ed? Yes.

Useless? Maybe in the beginning. I'm totally fine now.

Hossaim case speaks for itself. You didn't need to make it.

BS. You would've yelled at me for not making it.

Also:

Robo is still town.

That being said.... Robo, fucking improve your play,

ffs.

Still town? You unvoted me in the same post as this sentence. You accuse Hossaim of flipflopping and then you turn right around and do it yourself.

My play is fine.

If I didn't find Hossaim's wagon to be better then my vote would have just changed to you.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Day 1, Vote Count #8

194 (1) [L-4] - nhammen
Fujiko (0) -
Thor665 (0) -
nhammen (0) -
RXK (1) [L-4] -
TheHossaim (4) [L-1!!!] - Robocopter87, RXK, Fujiko, Majiffy
Rachmarie (0) -
Robocopter87 (1) [L-4] - TheHossaim
Majiffy (0) -

Not Voting: 194, Thor665, RachMarie

With 9 Alive It Takes 5 To Lynch

Deadline is set for July 6th. 6:12 PM EST (expired on 2012-07-06 18:12:00)

Let me know If I made an error

Fujiko is V/LA From Jun 20-24th

[Majiffy]

Ummm... Thor asked him a question, and he answered...

Ah didn't see the question. Regardless, the other point still stands.

and alive in 7 ongoing games

Ouch!

Says who?

Says anyone with a fucking brain? The sentence is kind of self-explanatory.

Useless? Maybe in the beginning. I'm totally fine now.

We'll see. Note, I'm not voting you.

BS. You would've yelled at me for not making it.

Probably. But that's not a point in your favor as "scumhunting".

Still town? You unvoted me in the same post as this sentence. You accuse Hossaim of flipflopping and then you turn right around and do it yourself.

My play is fine.

Gee, I unvoted you in the same post that I called you town in? Wow, why does that not make any sense? Oh wait, it makes perfect sense.

If I didn't find Hossaim's wagon to be better then my vote would have just changed to you.

Probably because you're a dolt.

[Majiffy]

Let me know If I made an error

You're missing Thor and Rach on there.

[Robocopter87]

Says anyone with a fucking brain? The sentence is kind of self-explanatory.

I've never seen anyone who honestly believed that posting full reads early game when a person is almost dead think its beneficial at all. My reasons for not giving you full sets is sound. You are being super stubborn.

BS. You would've yelled at me for not making it.

Probably. But that's not a point in your favor as "scumhunting".

I hunted for scum. I voted a scummy person. THAT PERSON IS NOW ALMOST DEAD AND

YOU ARE ON THE WAGON

.

I scumhunted just fine.

Gee, I unvoted you in the same post that I called you town in? Wow, why does that not make any sense? Oh wait, it makes perfect sense.

Still

town. You were voting me, which means you thought me to be scum. Then you unvoted me and said I was still town. You didn't think I was still town, you had just been voting me.

If I didn't find Hossaim's wagon to be better then my vote would have just changed to you.

Probably because you're a dolt.

This is just wrong. You just attacked me. Not my play. (There is a term for this, I just don't remember it.)

Dude, if you are mad, then don't post. Go walk or something.

Don't attack players personally, you are the IC. And as the IC you just made a terrible example to your newer players. Explain your opinions in a more logical way. Straight yelling won't accomplish anything.

Though I feel you just are having a bad day, this quote still is extremely scummy. You just blew your top at a minor accusation. Why such a huge reaction?

[Majiffy]

I've never seen anyone who honestly believed that posting full reads early game when a person is almost dead think its beneficial at all. My reasons for not giving you full sets is sound. You are being super stubborn.

If you're town, any kind of way you can help other players determine your alignment (like, for example, showing that you're actually

doing something

) is beneficial to town. I'm not being stubborn, you're being a dolt.

I hunted for scum. I voted a scummy person. THAT PERSON IS NOW ALMOST DEAD AND

YOU ARE ON THE WAGON

.

I scumhunted just fine.

No, but whatever. Keep thinking that way if you want. You're VI from here on out AFAIC.

Still

town. You were voting me, which means you thought me to be scum. Then you unvoted me and said I was still town. You didn't think I was still town, you had just been voting me.

Vote =/= Think They're Scum

How are you an SE?

This is just wrong. You just attacked me. Not my play. (There is a term for this, I just don't remember it.)

It's called an ad hom. And it's not an ad hom, btw, because I'm not discrediting your argument by saying it's because you're a dolt. I'm just calling you a dolt. Because you are one.

Dude, if you are mad, then don't post. Go walk or something.

I'mnotevenmad.jpg

Don't attack players personally, you are the IC. And as the IC you just made a terrible example to your newer players. Explain your opinions in a more logical way. Straight yelling won't accomplish anything.

Though I feel you just are having a bad day, this quote still is extremely scummy. You just blew your top at a minor accusation. Why such a huge reaction?

Blew my top? What?

Fucking VI.

[Robocopter87]

I've never seen anyone who honestly believed that posting full reads early game when a person is almost dead think its beneficial at all. My reasons for not giving you full sets is sound. You are being super stubborn.

If you're town, any kind of way you can help other players determine your alignment (like, for example, showing that you're actually

doing something

) is beneficial to town. I'm not being stubborn, you're being a dolt.

I clearly presented a case on Hossaim. I showed my reads on other players. Because I didn't go super in depth doesn't make me scum or a dolt. (Whatever that means.)

No, but whatever. Keep thinking that way if you want. You're VI from here on out AFAIC.

Really? Thats your argument?

What it looks like,
"NO. YOUR STUPID."

Vote =/= Think They're Scum

What? Are you drunk? Whats your deal? You seem to be making incredibly irrational decisions.

How are you an SE?

As long as you play 2 games on this site you are an SE. Regardless of play. You know this, why would you even ask?

It's called an ad hom. And it's not an ad hom, btw, because I'm not discrediting your argument by saying it's because you're a dolt. I'm just calling you a dolt. Because you are one.

You are responding to my arguments by calling me a dolt. You aren't even making good points anymore, you are just calling me stupid.

Though I feel you just are having a bad day, this quote still is extremely scummy. You just blew your top at a minor accusation. Why such a huge reaction?

Blew my top? What?

Fucking VI.

You just asked how I thought you blew your top and swore in the same response.

I want to vote you for this mess, but I can't help but feel its just too ridiculous for him to be honestly responding.

Seriously man, you are blowing your IC ideals right out the window.

[Majiffy]

I clearly presented a case on Hossaim. I showed my reads on other players. Because I didn't go super in depth doesn't make me scum or a dolt. (Whatever that means.)

Scumhunting implies more than one scum read, thanks.

You're a dolt for other reasons.

Really? Thats your argument?

This is me ending a conversation with a brick wall, is what it is.

What? Are you drunk? Whats your deal? You seem to be making incredibly irrational decisions.

Nice deflection? You realize votes can be used for more than just lynching, right?

As long as you play 2 games on this site you are an SE. Regardless of play. You know this, why would you even ask?

I just can't wrap my mind around how bad you are after 2+ games. (Side note: and with over 20, talk about terribad)

You are responding to my arguments by calling me a dolt. You aren't even making good points anymore, you are just calling me stupid.

No, I'm not responding to your arguments because you

are

a dolt. There's a fine line, you should get some reading comprehension.

You just asked how I thought you blew your top and swore in the same response.

I want to vote you for this mess, but I can't help but feel its just too ridiculous for him to be honestly responding.

Seriously man, you are blowing your IC ideals right out the window.

Swearing =/= being upset. I rather enjoy the aesthetics of several cusswords.

You want to vote me because I disagree with you? Typical terribad VI behavior.

Where the hell did everyone else go in this game?

[Fujiko]

Where the hell did everyone else go in this game?

A bridge tournament. The first night I was there, I tried to get out a quick post before I went to sleep, and made a complete ass of myself. (Not that I promise this one will be any better...)

Anyhow, I'm having some trouble finding a place to jump in, I'll admit.

Fujiko has been helping wiht some genuine scumhuntin and has overall been very pro town so ill say Fujiko is town.

I'm kind of torn on Hossaim. On one hand, he seems more evasive and less polished than the others... on the other, I kind of feel like, being less polished as well, I can't hold that against him. I appreciate the comment above, but I don't feel like I've been super-helpful. (To the comment about being not enamored of my play: me neither.)

One thing I don't understand:

Not happy with Robo or his 'reads'. Or his reason for not doing as I asked.

I can see how scum would find something like that useful, actually. Also, does everyone usually have a read on everyone at this point? I have reads on some but not others.

[Robocopter87]

I clearly presented a case on Hossaim. I showed my reads on other players. Because I didn't go super in depth doesn't make me scum or a dolt. (Whatever that means.)

Scumhunting implies more than one scum read, thanks.

You're a dolt for other reasons.

No it doesn't. Scumhunting is the process of finding scum. There isn't anything regarding the amount you are attempting to catch at once. The actual possibility of me nailing both scum on Day One is ridiculous(Though I have done it. However it was total luck.)

You can just stop saying I'm a dolt now.

This is me ending a conversation with a brick wall, is what it is.

No its not, its you not knowing how to respond and reverting to being a total jerk.

Nice deflection? You realize votes can be used for more than just lynching, right?

Well obviously, but if you are voting someone, it means you think they are scum. Regardless of how you are using it, you are furthering a player to their death. I mean, there are rare cases where you would need to vote somebody you didn't think was scum but definitely not in a Newbie game.

I just can't wrap my mind around how bad you are after 2+ games. (Side note: and with over 20, talk about terribad)

You haven't even described how I am bad.
You have started to just use the same argument over and over.
That argument being, "You are a dolt".

No, I'm not responding to your arguments because you

are

a dolt. There's a fine line, you should get some reading comprehension.

And now you are going to refuse to respond to my arguments.
And you are calling me the VI.

Swearing =/= being upset. I rather enjoy the aesthetics of several cusswords.

You want to vote me because I disagree with you? Typical terribad VI behavior.

Where the hell did everyone else go in this game?

So you are doing all this conversation with a clear head? Then you got your gift, I found my second scumread.

No, I want to vote you because you went from a logical, townie motivated player to an irrational uncooperative jerk. Which is very anti town.

And now you are asking where everybody went. Whats the matter? Can't handle this conversation?

[Robocopter87]

One thing I don't understand:

Not happy with Robo or his 'reads'. Or his reason for not doing as I asked.

I can see how scum would find something like that useful, actually. Also, does everyone usually have a read on everyone at this point? I have reads on some but not others.

No, you usually don't. Its pretty early in the game and we are running off of low information. That is why I have multiple null people on my list.

[RXK]

Where the hell did everyone else go in this game?

Post coming later tonight.

[TheHossaim]

After a days of rage at Videotron, my internet is back

:bows:

I'm L-1 again. I'm going to re-read, but until iv put together a reaction id prefer that nobody lynched me just yet.

[194]

I'm sorry guys. Attending personal problems, didn't have time to check the site.

So, that "active lurking" argument is not solid, because, in order to lurk, you need to READ and not post/make just presence posts without content whatsoever. However, I wasn't able to read the forums until right now.

Anyway, quoting Maffijy, it surprises me that people hasn't noticed that Robo is still town (or more like, he's town now, he was a confusing mess at the start of the game).
Most of the posts afterwards looked very personal, probably too much to get actual reads from them. It didn't look as a pair of Mafia buddies trying to look as opposed (it didn't look plotted at all, nor forced).

Finally, waiting for your posts, TheHossaim.

[Thor665]

@Mod - I'm voting 194 currently - me not voting on Day 1 is almost assured to never happen

I skimmed most of the Majiffy/Robo walls and suspect I'm a better person for it. We're not lynching either today.

Now that he's at L-1 could someone remind me what the Hoss case is, as I sit here I can't even recall it which makes me suspect it was a little ephemeral as I'd have recalled it if it was brilliant or incredibly stupid.