Open 419 Diffusion of Power - Game Over

[FuDuzn]

2birds, you have to realize that you have a shitty playstyle then. And since it seems you realize this, then why would you continue to do so? And anybody who says that being shitty is part of their meta, especially knowing what they are doing is shitty, just throws up lots of red flags.

I really don't get anything you are doing right now.

[Voidedmafia]

Did 2birds just try to claim it's meta for him to be shit? Seriously?

[Om of the Nom]

lol

[ConfidAnon]

Considering how scummy 2B1S is acting even after his proposed plan compared to the fact that 1-3 of you (including yourself) find me somewhat town outside of my proposed plan, that's not really a good comparison and his vote was fairly justified. It'd make more sense if you though I was scum as well (or at least not town).

Explain to me, then, the scum motivation behind 2b1s's play. Certainly it's not the best (as in, high-quality), but why is it more likely to come from scum than town? That's the part I don't see at all.

[absta101]

2B1S I don't see the reason for a no claim from you.

[DarthYoshi]

Catching up again. Sorry I am perpetually behind in this game--starting next week, my schedule should ease up a lot. Content coming later today.

[IceGuy]

IceGuy, you know I'm always like this. I get everyone else's votes, but seriously, have you played a game with me where I haven't OMGUSed everyone and called scumteams for trivial reasons?

Yes. Open 361, where I was scum and you were town. You didn't play like this at all and I was in LyLo with you.

Explain to me, then, the scum motivation behind 2b1s's play. Certainly it's not the best (as in, high-quality), but why is it more likely to come from scum than town? That's the part I don't see at all.

Why the claim part is beneficial to scum - I think I don't need to explain this.

The remainder - mostly trying to appear town while actually not contributing anything to the game.

2B1S I don't see the reason for a no claim from you.

Actually, I do. Claims are worthless in this game - it's not like a counterclaim would mean anything.

[absta101]

Well then. I'm not sure i'm comfortable hammering given there won't be a claim.

[Scott Brosius]

ConfidAnon looks very town and is better at articulating my thoughts on Venmar than I am. Voided has been better so I'm moving in this direction.

Unvote
Vote: Venmar

Im torn between 2b1s just playing like a VI or actually being scum. Kinda agree with CA again that I'm not seeing the play necessarily coming from town. It's definitely anti-town, but not necessarily scummy.

Claims should not happen until endgame as there is no benefit to them now.

@abasta What claim would have made you hammer? What claim would have made you backoff? I don't understand your sudden reluctance based off not getting a claim.

[Venmar]

Hmm. Can't tell if those attacking me are scum, or town.

[absta101]

@abasta What claim would have made you hammer? What claim would have made you backoff? I don't understand your sudden reluctance based off not getting a claim.

I can't answer this because I might give away information about my own role.
I don't understand why we shouldn't claim at L-1. Can someone explain that please.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I don't understand why we shouldn't claim at L-1. Can someone explain that please.

Okay, what in the world would stop you from lyching someone because you believe their claim? And what could scum possibly claim that they can possibly be caught with? Nothing.

Claiming Day 1 cop. Would that stop you from lynching them? Possibly, but then why can't scum just claim that?
Claiming Day 1 doc. That's even less provable.

Etc...

[absta101]

And what could scum possibly claim that they can possibly be caught with? Nothing.

If scum claims a role that someone already has (at L-1), that person would hammer knowing the claimer is scum.

Claiming Day 1 cop. Would that stop you from lynching them? Possibly, but then why can't scum just claim that?

Yeah, why isn't 2B1S claiming? Because i'm going to lynch him regardless? I never said that. Town should be confident that they won't claim the same result as someone else, obviously. His lack of confidence looks scummy.

[DeltaWave]

I'm pretty sure it's possible for 2 people to have the same role.

Regardless, self-meta in defense is scummy and apparently IceGuy says it's not even accurate, so go ahead with the hammer IMO.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

If scum claims a role that someone already has (at L-1), that person would hammer knowing the claimer is scum.

Uhh, no.

First, the Mod randomises how many Cops and Docs there are: either 4cops-6docs, 5cops-5docs, or 6cops-4docs.
Then, the Mod randomises a number from 1-5 for each town player. This is the one night that the players' role works on.

So you see, there can be multiple players with the same power and night. Each one gets a number from 1-5, but the rolls are independent of each other.

(And while I'm copying and pasting from the wiki, let me just mention that

Mafia are told pregame exactly how many Cops and Docs exist in the setup, but not who and what nights they are

for people who didn't know)

[Venmar]

Absta has my permission to hammer.

[absta101]

It's possible for there to be multiple players with the same power and night.

Oh, okay.

What about this?

Cops and Doctors flip only as "Town Cop" or "Town Doctor".

Would a claim not be useful for us then? At this stage I will hammer regardless.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Absta has my permission to hammer.

Because... if he doesn't, you know you're the lynch? Fascinating.

Idk about 2b1s, but Venmar is def scummy.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Would a claim not be useful for us then?

Not really. A flip will be useful for us, since around end-game we can determine how many docs and cops there are, and see if anyone is lying (because no matter what, if everyone claims, scum will have to make one pile -either docs or cops- at least 7)

[absta101]

@Ser

Because... if he doesn't, you know you're the lynch? Fascinating.

Not really fascinating unless you're scum. Every town player in this game is either a doc or a cop. Caring about your own survival is a null-tell. The best post #190 tells us about Venmar is that he finds himself more valuable than 2B1S.
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VOTE: 2B1S
Fuck this.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

End of Day 1 Vote Count

2birds1stone - 7(Malakittens, DeltaWave, Venmar, Voidedmafia, Om of the Nom, IceGuy, absta101)
Venmar - 4(2birds1stone, ConfidAnon, Ser Arthur Dayne, Scott Brosius)
Ser Arthur Dayne - 2(absta101, FuDuzn)

13 alive means 7 to lynch.

2birds1stone, Town Doctor, has been lynched.

Night 1 ends on Sunday at 2300 GMT.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

DarthYoshi, Town Cop, has been killed.

It is now Day 2. Day 2 ends on the 15th of July at 2300 GMT.

11 alive means 6 to lynch.

[IceGuy]

VOTE: Voidedmafia

Discuss.

[absta101]

Yup

[Malakittens]

Bah. Okay, most likely there's scum on all wagons. That's the only good thing about D1 lynches. -.- Going to says there's prob 1 on the 2birds1stone, 1 on the Vemar and possibly a shot in the dark here, but one on SER. Unless SER happens to be scum then there's most likely one extra on the other two wagons.

Woohoo, okay realized there's also an error on the D1 vote count as DarkYoshi voted SER.

I'm going to go null read on Absta due to the hammer vote on 2birds1stone.

Brb after dinner and I'll expand this post a bit more.