Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[Gammagooey]

well of course

[Alchemist]

well no name claim is a given.

also, if I can be the voice of reason for a moment

i know tensions are high. huge long mafia games like this tend to make people mean-spirited because they are SO invested in them. guys, its just a game. calling people useless, calling people idiots, shitstorms, etc you are above it. can you try not resorting to adhom? thanks

[SpyreX]

That's all well and good Alch but it is literally the modus operandi for more than one of the issues in that department.

I'm still playing clicky-clack with what kind of active role targets itself that isn't just :doinkdoink:

[Hinduragi]

Only one I can think of off the bat is a tree stump.

[Tammy]

of D2, you were posting erratically, promising catch-ups, and ended up posting very un-Tammy-like. It raises eyebrows.

So, you read the Nexus back and forth too, right? That was the weirdest if I recall.

Mmyeah. But that wasn't so much it, it was the very end of the day. Tammy's ISO is the weirdest thing. Like... she accepts not to lynch Nexus over something Magua said that she uses as indication of Magua's alignment, not Nexus's; then from then on it's incredibly erratic until the end of day. It feels like she's avoiding the crux of discussions, promising catch-ups, generally hovering at the edge of things. I don't usually expect this from her and it rubs me the wrong way.

And I think my reason to my unvote is actually wrong even though it would totally be a Vi-thing, since if her target is actually herself.. gah iunno

Yeah checking Nikanor's ISO this is completely wrong so never mind. I got nothing after all so currently just CONFUSED.


Tammy, I never rolefished you. Like... seriously, step back, and if you're town, look at your behavior from someone who 1) doesn't know your schedule 2) doesn't know your role 3) doesn't know your alignment 4) sees your activity around the site and in this thread 5) sees the way you behaved yesterday, and then think a bit about it. Tammy = scum isn't an unreasonable thought AT ALL, and your reaction is completely coming out of left field.

I don't understand what's weird about that. I refused to get off the Nexus wagon because I wasn't sure I believed him and wanted more evidence. Dana gave me hell about it. Magua said that the claim was a death sentence and if you ever died it would mean his immediate death. It was logic he used in NY146 and it was sound. What is the problem with me thinking all right that sounds reasonable?

A new semester started last week and I'm teaching several classes during summer school. The first week is always crazy busy, so sorry if I wasn't all over mafia when the person I had wanted to be lynched from the beginning of the day was the person I was sitting on and waiting to hear back from.

No, it is completely unreasonable. And for you to vote me and start a wagon because I asked a question in another thread on Sunday night is crazy. Think about it. I logged on this site for a whole 10 minutes to look at something that had been bugging me and ask a question. I was working and you're going to start a wagon on me over it. Think about it.

And, I didn't ignore conversations yesterday. I was quite active.

[Alchemist]

Why haven't you hopped on the Tammy wagon, Spyre?

[Tammy]

I'm not a tree stump. I don't know what that is.

And, I'm guessing it's a self-target, but it's not really.

[Hinduragi]

I assume he's also waiting for the claim like me.

[SpyreX]

Only one I can think of off the bat is a tree stump.

Well that sure aint it.

Good lord I forgot it was day AND night.

I have no idea and thats normally a grand sign.

@alch: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4161597

@hindu: ohh hoss no I'm not "waitin" fer anythin.

[Alchemist]

Force the issue, votes on Tammy please

None of this "waiting to hammer" nonsense

[MaguaofIllusion]

I assume he's also waiting for the claim like me.

This quote encapsulates all that is wrong with this thread in the last 10 pages.

DDD is put at L-1 and refuses to claim. People see this as a Town tell.

Tammy isn't anywhere near L-1 but mutlitple players continue to say "CLAIM CLAIM CLAIM".

Then we have Gamma's "I just want a name claim" which is terribad given Day 1 the notion of name-claiming has been proven to be Pro-Scum.

[SpyreX]

Fine but just let it be known I'm jumping off when it gets steam to hammer.

I want this.

Unvote, Vote: Tammy

(also not waiting for a claim if it gets to it )

P-Edit: Yea gamma wanting a name claim is what I get from "i don't give a fuck about an ability claim. would prefer no name claim though."

[MaguaofIllusion]

Force the issue, votes on Tammy please

None of this "waiting to hammer" nonsense

Nope. Continue to be scummy!

[Alchemist]

Force the issue, votes on Tammy please

None of this "waiting to hammer" nonsense

Nope. Continue to be scummy!

Yeah the claimed roleblocker with 400 posts is scum okay

*noogie*

[Hinduragi]

What does Benmage think?

Tammy needs to claim given what she's already said.

Gamma said he doesn't want a name claim.

[Tierce]

Tammy, honestly--I find it really iffy that, after reading the thread, you go on OVERREACTION MEGANUKE mode instead of addressing the rest of the events of the day. You completely ignored the wagon on DDDP, even though you were aware of it by Post 2701. What is your read on that slot? What is your read on others? Why aren't you voting?

I have another question, why did the Tammy wagon originally fall apart? Looking back it's filled with lots of town names and no confirmed scum.

@Tierce, and we trust that LLD is town as well?

You had me until here. I thought everything you were saying seemed to come from a town mindset and then this. Why not look at why the Tammy wagon started. Because someone didn't like my personality and others sheeped on.

You look like you're flailing instead of trying to find scum, which is sad. I thought you were town.

Like... this is miserably weak. I've grown used to long, explanatory posts from you (p-much regardless of alignment), so why don't you make a decent explanation on this town-scumread switch instead of this two-liner self-referential read? Why is flailing scummy? How is DDDP 'flailing'? Town doesn't want to die and a flashwagon is always frustrating regardless of alignment. Did you see why the DDDP wagon started, btw? Why is there no vote here, no further explanation? So many whys, so little explanation. You spend more time raging against me than explaining reads.

We aren't name claiming ever, I'm pretty sure.

Unless you have a fakeclaim of one of the main characters in the game, that is.

Lulz. <3 Yeeeah that's another thing I don't like about UberNinja, how he reacted to me going "wtf Nexus why nameclaim" by saying it was scummy of me

then again he's a giant frigging derp all day e'ry day

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I want to do something with this vote of mine but DECISIONS.

[Hinduragi]

I forgot about that. I want a vig on UN.

[Alchemist]

Seriously you guys we have a chance to force the issue and manhandle tammy into using her power (or not, in which case she's scum. Inb4 she says she misread her role PM). Using the power doesn't confirm her as town either, but it goes a long way in terms of goodwill and transparency.

[MaguaofIllusion]

Seriously you guys we have a chance to force the issue and manhandle tammy into using her power (or not, in which case she's scum. Inb4 she says she misread her role PM). Using the power doesn't confirm her as town either, but it goes a long way in terms of goodwill and transparency.

Yeah. Let's make a wagon simply to make her use her claimed limited Power. And then say "Well, it doesn't clear you at all anyway" but this way it gets likely wasted in a way that doesn't benefit Town ...

[Hinduragi]

I want to fucking hear the claim before she uses it. But ok.By now, it's obvious she wants to test the waters and I'll ride them all the way.

Vote: Tammy

[Gammagooey]

tierrrce you can vote one of grey/lld/hazevengmage? or you could just vote tammy again really.

also you guys are weird- what i said meant that i don't care one way or another about an ability claim, but i don't want a name claim.

[Tierce]

VOTE: UberNinja

Would also vote Avenging Hazelmage.


PEdit: How do you even roll the R in my username that just sounds

weird

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[Alchemist]

@MoI

Its not like she claimed this will be its last use.
Its not like the town is in a horrible position and cant afford extravagances like this.
Its not like she could have just lied off the cuff.
Its not like like having a limited use power usable during the day and night isn't extremely odd and should thus be prone to scrutiny.
Its not like she claimed the power will hurt anyone else.
Its not like verifying the effect of such power wont be a good thing in terms for transparency down the line.
etc.

[MaguaofIllusion]

@MoI

Its not like she claimed this will be its last use.
Its not like the town is in a horrible position and cant afford extravagances like this.
Its not like she could have just lied off the cuff.
Its not like like having a limited use power usable during the day and night isn't extremely odd and should thus be prone to scrutiny.
Its not like she claimed the power will hurt anyone else.
Its not like verifying the effect of such power wont be a good thing in terms for transparency down the line.
etc.

Well let's see ...

The first isn't a reason to use it.
If you believed the second you would not have let DDD go "I'm Confirmable, don't vote me" without actually claiming.
The third is just pointless rhetoric. So what if it is possible ... show me why it is likely and furthermore if you are wrong why it is Pro-Town.
The fourth doesn't justify wasting the power just because 'you want it'
The fifth is pointless. That doesn't justify possibly wasting a Pro-Town use just to satisfy you.
The sixth can also be verified down the line also.

None of these are compelling reasons at all why anyone should follow along. Go sit in the corner ...

[SpyreX]

Actually - did she say n2 was the only time it wasnt used AND then because she forgot?

Because if it day/night AND limited 3/4 shots is kinda like clickin for that sweet heroin.