Open 419 Diffusion of Power - Game Over

[absta101]

@Delta
What are you asking SAD and Mala anyway?

[Voidedmafia]

That's better, but I guess I just don't really see the need to keep witholding that part of this entire deal (the scott-townread).

I said that I'd give it up after I was done with SAD/Mala in Post 291. Did you miss that post when you made your vote?

I said I don't see the

need

, not that I didn't see it.

Om: When did i say there was scum motivation?

[Om of the Nom]

You implied it when you voted him. You still haven't really explained it yet.

[Voidedmafia]

I implied anti-town, not scum.

[Om of the Nom]

So what was the vote for? Generally you vote someone you think is scum, not someone who is being anti-town. Otherwise I'd be voting Kass nonstop if he ever played in another game with me again.

[DeltaWave]

@Delta
What are you asking SAD and Mala anyway?

I want to know, specifically, what they're calling "artificial" about Scott. That's an accusation that tends to get thrown a lot, but it's also an accusation that has to be based on concrete facts so I want to see what underlies that judgment.

[Malakittens]

I already stated that I feel Scott is showing signs of scum by not making his own cases or own opinions. Both are commonly a scum trait and it doesn't sit well with me. I already gave you concrete facts on both. Try reading my posts

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Vote Count

Malakittens - 4(IceGuy, FuDuzn, Om of the Nom, Scott Brosius)
Scott Brosius - 2(Malakittens, absta101)
FuDuzn - 1(Ser Arthur Dayne)
Venmar - 1(ConfidAnon)
Deltawave - 1(Voidedmafia)

11 alive means 6 to lynch.

[DeltaWave]

I already stated that I feel Scott is showing signs of scum by not making his own cases or own opinions. Both are commonly a scum trait and it doesn't sit well with me. I already gave you concrete facts on both. Try reading my posts

I'm mostly going after SAD right now, the questions were most specifically at him.

[DeltaWave]

Things are getting a little stagnant. Voided, opinions on Mala and SAD?

[Voidedmafia]

Mala: Okay in the beginning, got some townpoints from the bad wagon on her, been fine for the rest of it.

SAD: Slightly biased, but I hate how both he and Ice tried (and still try, in Ice's case) to construe my plan as some sort of "scummy golden plan". I further dislike his attempts at trying to say Venmar is white-knight me because A.) that's not really a scumtell (it can be, but it's not something you can just use), B.) It's hard to tell someone they're going out of their way to defend someone when said person isn't even

there

(because, yknow, I have to work and sleep?), and C.) possible defense bias, but I don't see where Venmar exactly went "out of his way" to defend me. (he can be forgiven for Post 226 because if I didn't have a guess as to what Om was trying to say I probably would've been thinking along the same lines). His attacks on Scott are fine, though.

Based on that, I'm willing to vote him now, but I need to work out if I want to vote him or Scott first.

[Voidedmafia]

EBWOP: also, if you're wondering, I haven't exactly been putting my all into this game, being focused on other things outside of MS. (that, and any sort of willingness to vote him D1 was drowned out by how bad 2bird's play was.)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Prodded Scott Brosius, IceGuy and ConfidAnon.

[IceGuy]

I still think Mala is today's lynch. I'd like to hear if anybody has any reasons for her being town except for wagon analysis.

[ConfidAnon]

I just want to say that it's awesome how I mistakenly abbreviated Dayne's name as "SED" once, and then everyone has kept up with it since

I've been getting really confused as to who SED was. xD

And this game has kind of slowed . . . later tonight, I'll try to get a reread in and comment on any interesting stuff I find. I still think Venmar needs to be lynched, and I'm a bit flummoxed as to why no one is looking at him.

[DeltaWave]

Voided, do you believe that reacting like Mala did (twitchy/reactive/panicked) is a scum tell?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Still on V/LA.

FuD and/or Scott are scum on the Mala wagon.

And I could sheep ConfidAnon into voting Venmar (infact, if we can proxy votes, I would give my vote to him).

[Venmar]

I find the way Mala reacted ( like DeltaWave described ) is kind of scummy because i imagine a town player would probably make a different reaction than the one she did. I usually see this kind of acting and reaction from scum players. Then again, at the rate of how fast the wagon started off on her i am a little bit weary whether or not she is scum, the wagon seemed to start off a little bit

Just voicing my opinions.

[Venmar]

* a little bit too fast. *

I zoned out or something, i didn't finish the sentence at the end above.

[Malakittens]

Um, Venmar remember the 7P game where you aimed a reaction vote on me and I reacted towards you in a hostile manner towards it because I had a town role: Doctor. Any chance these games are similar to that?

I can give different links to different games where I acted [Twitchy, , reactive and panicked] when I was town, but the only problem is they aren't on this site. I also tend to lash defensively too when town especially when it's triggered. None of which are a scum tell. Even if I acted calm when I was reacting to anything wouldn't be considered a scum tell because I have another link which I could link to that happening and I was again town.

Yes, the wagon starting on me should be a clear indication that I'm not actually scum and I'm town, but I'm trying to see where on the wagon itself is scum or where it's town. I believe Scott/IceGuy are scum.

Iceguy I really hope when I'm lynched and revealed as town, you kick yourself in the face for pushing this so hard. Dead serious here, but I wish you guys would consider giving me a pass on this day, lynch someone else so I can show something on the following day. >.>

[absta101]

VOTE: Mala

[IceGuy]

This pretty much seals the deal for me.

Yes, the wagon starting on me should be a clear indication that I'm not actually scum and I'm town,

That's not even an argument. Wagons start on town and scum players all the time.

but I'm trying to see where on the wagon itself is scum or where it's town. I believe Scott/IceGuy are scum.

Okay, in general I'd consider senseless OMGUS lashing from a new player a nulltell, but in conjunction with this...

Iceguy I really hope when I'm lynched and revealed as town, you kick yourself in the face for pushing this so hard.

...it becomes obvious the read is fake.

Either I'm scum, in which case I'd pat myself on the back for mislynching.
Or I'd kick myself in the face, in which case I'm town.

Dead serious here, but I wish you guys would consider giving me a pass on this day, lynch someone else so I can show something on the following day. >.>

Since such a claim can't be proven, it's worthless and a simple survival gambit. The fact that it came long before L-1 and intent to hammer is also curious.

[Malakittens]

I'm screwed now because I'm forced to claim without using my action. Opposite direction that I wanted to fucking happen when I made my wagon analysis because I didn't want to be forced to claim nor did I want to be lynched. I was reaction testing people so I could have a better direction in where I wanted to use my action the night it can be used. I still have a scum read on Iceguy and Scott.

Yes, ^ above last quote of mine can be proven just think what claim can be proven the next day with a result. Doesn't matter if I'm not lynched today I'm banned tonight. If I'm not lynched or banned tonight I'll have a result.

[Malakittens]

Read back on my 7P game I believe I used the same type of words in context when I used it against Mattyp. >.>

[IceGuy]

Actually, you don't need to claim. You've already fakeclaimed N2 cop.

And not buying the "reaction testing" thing.