So I've read through Rach Marie's iso and compared it to the iso that I had in the other game I've played with her. This one is better than I thought when I first read through it (she is actually saying a little more about people than I thought) but it still doesn't look like the sort of clear pro-town play that I saw in
Newbie Game 1222. There's perhaps more Thor is Thor (though that matches the Elmo is Elmo) and bringing up the Robocopter87-Majjify dust-up than there is other comments on what makes players look like scum or town to her. It feels like more of statements of what's pretty obvious/sticking with stances than trying to figure things out. Is there any reason that others haven't been putting more pressure on her other than that she hasn't been around much?
Looking over nhammen's posts in iso I see that I missed more content from him at the start of the game because I jumped in around page 10. His early game feels pretty good to me even if there's a bit more commenting on what's being said then there is drawing conclusions (though there's reason to think that the conclusions were being drawn and simply not stated explicitly given posts later which pretty clearly have reads on most of the players in the game.) I'm less worried about nhammen being scum laregly lying low than I was yesterday.
Fujiko's early game is really classic for someone trying to get used to play here and what you've got to do to participate. It's a bit cautious but I don't think that's an alignment tell for a new player as much as a personality tell. Later on I see a couple things that make me think she's town (the timing of a question or two, the overall attitude in terms of information she's interested in, etc.) It's possible that she's just a strong scum player from the the go but right now she's reading much more like new town to me.
I need to take a closer look at Majiffy and Robocopter87 (and in particular Maffiy I think) but right now that's daunting so instead I'm going to go with a case on 194 instead.
Here's what I've got from day one:
We've got a fairly unwaivering town read on Robocopter87 from his first post in the game. It is possible that 194 is picking up on town vibes and running with it the whole time (perhaps even with some confirmation bias in there) but scum know alignments and it's easier for them to keep consistent opinions. In this case it would be a mild case of buddying.
Actually, that combined with the idea that the main reason that he'd buddy robocopter87 is if they were partners bit from
Post 285 is one of the things that makes me nervous. 194 claims to prefer playing scum because he's "had great games playing under that alignment." (
Post 22.) I leery of anyone with experience playing scum in multiple games (even offsite) trying to make that argument. I can't imagine a setting in which the only players scum buddy up with are team-mates.
We have reasons along the way that robocopter87 is town which is nice in and of itself, but there really aren't any reasons outside lurking that 194 seems to be worried about people being scum. Lurking is something we need to pressure people to avoid, but it's also a really safe arguement to make. You're not going to get into a fight with someone and draw attention to yourself by accusing them of lurking. Used as part of an overall attempt to scum hunt and you've got pro-town activity. When it's the only sort of case that's really being made against people it seems much more like scum trying to look active without taking any stances that'll come back to hurt them later.
The early vote for RXK actually would have been a nice place to bring up some reasons along those lines; as it was it comes accross as following popular sentiment rather than an attempt to find scum.
There's probably as much responding to Thor665 as anything else content-wise in 194's play. The responses are fine as a defense (town have times when they need to defend themselves as just like scum do if they're under pressure,) but there's a failure to express any new views about suspicions along the way. There's even a reference to nhammen's defending 194, but all we get out of it is a null read (
Post 373 at the end of it. There should be more reads than robocopter87 is town by this stage in the game.
I actually have a bit of an issue to talk about with day two play in general and 194 is a central part of it, but I'll leave that there for now. If anyone would like to comment on it they're welcome to. I just don't see the aspects of 194's play that makes me think he'd be likely to be town that I do from Fujiko or nhammen. At this point I like my vote where it is.
-Zorblag R`Lyeh
