@Chamber - I'm calling Shinori's reactions extreme, flinchy, like someone going through exaggerated motions to not fall on ice. I believe it to be scummy in this instance, but my gut is whispering that it also screams newbie and maybe I'm getting them confused, but my gut's track record on mafiascum is abysmal.
This is a Mina/CES hydra.
Anyway, something niggles at me, and I'm not sure if it's cognitive dissonance or just clumsy writing:
I'm torn on Shinori. Am I really just thinking he's too new and would pull those sorts of extreme reactions? Some of you have townreads on the slot, why so?
The first sentence in that quote expresses doubt in your Shinori scumread. The second sentence says you think he might be newbie town overreacting. But the third sentence is asking people why they have townreads on him? Or is the second sentence implying you think he's scum faking it (as a newbie)?
Also, if you're "torn" on Shinori, what makes you want to vote him over your other suspects?
(A viable wagon means one likely to get the person lynched, not one on a person you suspect. Did you misspeak?)
I didn't ask because your hydra seemed dissonant, but because I wanted to know if Nexus had any input at all. Out of curiosity, what's the source of the disagreement on Staeg?
MagnaofIllusion wrote:Hey Minamum ... you don't get to throw stones about NOT sharing full reasoning behind votes when you keep referring to how your partners wants to keep things on the Down-Low regarding your reads ... Just an FYI
Leaving aside the ad hominem fallacy (whether I do something has no bearing on whether it's scummy when
you
do it)...no, those aren't remotely related. I'm not attacking you for not giving full reasoning behind votes. I'm attacking you for giving
shitty
reasons.
You quoted one sentence of Llamarble's and said he'd never say that as town. I found your reaction completely overblown given that I don't think falling behind during the first RL days of a game is that uncommon. And the timing and presentation of the AGar vote had a similar feel (although in that case, I thought your attack was more justified): a weak point with little conviction against the whipping boy
du jour
. From my POV, those votes look either like lazy bussing or opportunism. Hence why they break my brain when I have no clue why you'd fakeclaim.
So are you going to defend your reason for voting Llamarble as something
other
than shitty?
In post 327, AGar wrote: In post 320, Minimum wrote:
Agar wrote:Llamarble looks way worse to me, everything about his posting just screams scum trying to just cause confusion instead of trying to actually do anything productive.
What does that even mean? How is that an actual scumtell, and how exactly does someone go about "trying to cause confusion instead of trying to do anything productive"?
Chides me early D1 for voting someone over a misunderstanding.
Doesn't understand a post I make.
Votes me.
wheeeeeeeee
For the record, you're not being voted for that post alone (although it definitely played a part).
(Also, don't provoke me. Had it not been for the posting cap, I would have been a bitch in response to "LOL, you clearly haven't read my post, you illiterate dumbass, because I explained why I kept a crappy vote on Ludi." It was pretty clear I read your posts but didn't buy your Ludi suspicions.)
How is causing confusion in any benefit to the town? It isn't. How does it benefit to the scum? Less coherency in a town leads to far more inaccurate reads, far more clutter to sort through and far more opportunities for a player's slips to be covered up.
Ergo, "scumtell". Or, more accurately, reasoning for a vote. Scumtell implies that it's something that is directly telling of scum on a consistent basis. I think this isn't consistent for all players (this is also fairly common behavior in VIs to simply post inane bullshit that only clutters the thread), but a player like Llamarble - who isn't a terrible player - behaving in this manner does not sit well with me at all, enough that I'm willing to lay the vote down there.
Myself has ninja'd me on this one. In theory, someone "posting to confuse" has a detrimental effect on the town. But
who the fuck actually does that
?
No, seriously. Who goes, "Whee, I'm going to post actively and change my mind a lot, because this way the town will be less coherent!" Never mind that this is a ridiculous characterization of Llamarble's posting style, since he's playing like a rational human being, not spamming the thread with orca pictures.
Read his posts - he keeps posting shit like "Well I know this in my scum meta but LOLOL FUCK IT!" or "I'm not actually reading this game, but HURR BE MY READS."
How does that help ANYTHING stay clear? It's pretty much intentionally trying to inject WIFOM into every turn, because when a player is self-aware of a meta, you have to worry about them manipulating it. This is ten times worse because now it's "Is he fooling us into thinking that he'd manipulate his own meta as scum, but just wants us to bite on that hook and semi-clear him?"
These are plausible reasons to suspect him, but why do you think Llamascum's motivation for using WIFOM or self-meta is "distract the town from scumhunting by being confusing", as opposed to "look more town"?
