NY 151: Playground Mafia (Game Over-Mafia Win!)

[maxwell]

I'm not sure I understand why Benmage was killed. Granted, this was going to be my vote anyway.

VOTE: code_x

Too tired to make an argument tonight, will sleep on it, post more tomorrow.

[Code_X]

This blows because you guys are going to think its me.

Max is scum. Has to be.

DLG and Psyche clear - all I ask of both you is to read back the game and both of us in isolation.

[Psyche]

I don't like maxwell voting so soon in LYLO.

But yeah, I've screwed up too many times on this to not take it slow this time around.

[Code_X]

I'm not 100% sure how I can prove my innocence to either of you, but I would ignore Max's claim - albeit it's a good one.

Maxous would have found out that information.

Hez wasn't revealed as investigation immune or anything. So a standard cop would have nailed him.

I will look over votes, dead people's posts, Maxwell's ISO when I get a chance.

[Psyche]

We got ALL the details of Maior's role.

@MOD: Would it be correct to interpret Hez's flip as that of a plain SK without special effects like Strong Arm or Investigation-Immune?

[Psyche]

Dosn't really matter. >.>

[DLG]

Hey, so, we're likely at 3 v 1 MYLO, right? With two confirmed Town.

Why the fuck would scum kill Benmage over me or Psyche? Best guess is that they expected a No Lynch to happen and then take their chances at 2 v 1 LYLO with only one confirmed Town.

I'm gonna look over the vote counts, etc. and see what jumps out.

No way this Day needs to be rushed.

re: maxwell as possible scum.

Even if Maxous didn't know and translate the information, maxwell could have tried and failed to kill HezLucky. There was only one kill the Night before, wasn't there? That kill was redFF. It doesn't make sense that scum killed redFF, there. That would mean that HezLucky tried to shoot at RachMarie and failed, right? Why would he have done that? It just doesn't make sense.

So, maxwell concludes that his failed shot on HezLucky indicates HezLucky is NK-immune, therefore, is the SK. Cobble up the FBI agent claim to get the SK lynched and enter Night with two scum left and no chance of being shot by the SK.

Eh, this was a tin-foil hat theory I had virtually immediately when maxwell claimed.

@ Psyche
I'd like your thoughts on this idea.

[maxwell]

Psyche, it doesn't really matter with the timing of the vote, you and DLG are cleared with the godfather dead as I don't think any mod would put 2 godfathers in a setup.

The fact is, Maxous's flip should effectively clear me - I'm confirmed not to be a scum rolecop now, and if he had the information, he shouldn't have been able to pass it along.

The point about Hez's flip is reaching - sometimes mods show SK abilities, sometimes they don't. NY146 just had the flip as 'serial killer', so did NY118. Regardless, it doesn't matter because the FBI agent role is geared toward detecting serial killers while the cop traditionally finds mafia. It's a flavor-based thing, like seers finding werewolves and gunsmiths detecting roles that are considered to carry a firearm. Regardless, if this was supposed to be a point against me, he should have pushed it yesterday, but he didn't. Why? Because scum knew it was MYLO, town didn't. he had to play it safe, see which way the wind blew - if the lynch swung towards me, great, but if he got caught trying to redirect the maxous lynch he'd be sunk. The fact that he only brings it up now and not yesterday is why he's scum. In fact, it explains a lot over the past few days.

DLG, I see no reason mafia wouldn't shoot redFF - they needed to kill him to kill the cop, who was the biggest threat to them.

[maxwell]

No, wait, that's it - I SHOULD BE CONFIRMED TOWN HERE. Maxous was the rolecop, so I'm not. Boom.

But I'm not confirmed town because me and code are the only two alive that aren't cleared. Why? Because Benmage is dead.

Think about it - if Benmage were alive today, it almost certainly would have been him vs code, and I'd be considered effectively clear. And I think anyone would have voted code in a scenario that was him vs. benmage. There is no way he would have won that one.

That's why benmage is dead. It forces me into consideration against code_x, instead of benmage, and he sees me as the better target. That's it. It makes so much sense.

[Psyche]

Mmmhm.

[Code_X]

What do you mean wouldn't be able to pass it on?

I'm guessing scum have a QT. I'm therefore guessing Maxous was able to tell his teammates the result of his investigations.

[Code_X]

And Benmage is quite likely dead because he made it clear yesterday he thought I was town.

Either way - Psyche/DLG - we need to prolong the agony here. I've just lost a game in lylo because as town I hammered a townie within 48 hours of day break.

I am working away this week, but will try and go back and explain my thinking at certain points during the game, likewise I'll look over the dead scums.

Anything you want to ask me, please do.

[Code_X]

Surely as a role cop your allowed to share the information with your buddies?

[DLG]

DLG, I see no reason mafia wouldn't shoot redFF - they needed to kill him to kill the cop, who was the biggest threat to them.

This, I agree with on the surface. But, the question becomes, where was HezLucky's shot?

Max is scum. Has to be.

So, seriously, why not vote him?

Psyche and I are the confirmed Town, here. We're the ones who have to make a decision. I don't see anywhere else your vote could possibly go.

Can you describe to me a scenario where you don't vote maxwell? The "don't rush this thing" line is coming across as more of an attempt to gain some Town points than coming from actual Town in your shoes.

If I'm Town, in your position, I'm voting maxwell and trying to convince me and Psyche to lynch the scumbag for the Town win.

Think about it - if Benmage were alive today, it almost certainly would have been him vs code, and I'd be considered effectively clear. And I think anyone would have voted code in a scenario that was him vs. benmage. There is no way he would have won that one.

That's why benmage is dead. It forces me into consideration against code_x, instead of benmage, and he sees me as the better target. That's it. It makes so much sense.

I don't follow this. Consider me and Psyche interchangeable for a second.

What you're describing is a final four of {Benmage, you, Code_X, me/Psyche}. Why would you be considered "effectively cleared", there? I think, if it was me in that group, the choice would still be you versus Code_X.

@ Psyche
If you had to decide, right this second, would you rather lynch or no lynch this Day? I'm for lynching. What we know is that at least two Town votes have to coincide for a lynch to occur. I'd rather have you and I come to a consensus than one or the other of us having to decide alone.

[Code_X]

Vote Maxwell

There is no scenario where I don't vote either of you. Maxwell is scum.

[Psyche]

I'm for lynching today. Letting the pool narrow to 3 just doesn't do anything for town when there are 2 confirmed townies. All that'll happen is that we lose a confirmed source of protown activity.

[DLG]

@ Psyche
I absolutely agree.

@ Code_X and maxwell
Could you provide your best reasons why we should lynch the other?

[PeregrineV]

@MOD: Would it be correct to interpret Hez's flip as that of a plain SK without special effects like Strong Arm or Investigation-Immune?

You should interpret his flip to be that of a basic Serial Killer or a variation of the Serial Killer role, either of which are allowed by the definition for Normal games.

[PeregrineV]

Vote Count 8-1

(as of Post 3117)

Code_X (1)

- maxwell

maxwell (1)

- Code_X

Not Voting (2)

- DLG, Psyche

With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch

Deadline:

Sunday, July 29, 2012, 1pm CDT

Replacing:

No one

Prods (48 hours):

None

V/LAs:

No one

[maxwell]

I'm working on a case. It'll take a few days given the size of the game, though. Please be patient.

[DLG]

I'm working on a case. It'll take a few days given the size of the game, though. Please be patient.

Sure thing.

Have you found anything of interest, Psyche?

I'm curious about this.

Alright, so results please Rach?

I'm thinking Maxwell would prolly be the best option today, barring Rach claiming a guilty of course

This was Maxous's opening post of Day 6. At that time, the distribution was 5 v 2 v 1. I don't know if he'd bus maxwell at that point, but I do note that he didn't actually vote maxwell. This is very similar to his FakeGod stance, where he sets-up the distancing without actually voting.

Eh, I dunno. What do you think?

[Psyche]

I was going to reply "I'll get to it" but I'm in a motivated mood, so I'll actually be getting to it. >.>

[Psyche]

Yeah, Pine is scum. For sure.

Shotgun and Psynche had good relevant points and his suspicion on scooby just screams fake.

Code X is scummy too, posting a lot but not saying a lot. Reading through his walls, it is a lot of commentary...not much meat to it.
Even his player by player post said surprisingly little.
I'm trying to work out the tl;dr of his case on red but it seems to only consist of 'well, he ignored questions'

It's quite similar to why I think Jason was scum, though not to the same extent. (still waiting on FG to do something btw)

This could be weak distancing, too. Maxous isn't a good source of connections, though it suggests that Code X is scum than maxwell.

[Psyche]

Benmage, Mastin, FakeGOD, RedFF - We should lynch one of these four.

Vote RedFF

Meh. The ol' "list 4 players and include scum for distancing" tell.

[Psyche]

Code X's iso reads as town, the later you go...