Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[singersigner]

Because Glork's the only one who's claimed a role that can theoretically "recruit" someone in some way.

Also, dana, I meant if you weren't going to explain what you were talking about more thoroughly immediately following the post...logging out of the site means you weren't around to explain further...which you still haven't, so...

Most people in most games don't wait around for hours just waiting for someone to reply. We log out and do other things. It's not like I made a choice specifically to not explain further.

You made a very vague-claim statement.
You didn't allow yourself time to come back and answer it when someone asked you relatively immediately.
You came back and still kept it pretty vague.

Like...am I the only one annoyed with the concept of making vague claims and then not clarifying them? If you had said "there's a specific reason I'm not telling you more but am telling you as much as I am right now" it wouldn't have been so bad because then we'd assume you actually had a purpose in saying anything at all?

Whatever.

In any case, I also hate it when people say "it should be obvious" because clearly, if someone's asking, it's not. So.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Glork, Dana should claim his results for all nights, Y/N?

[Glork]

No. Unless it will confirm a protown player who is not yet confirmed, or out us a scumbag, there's no reason to. Dana himself is already confirmed town, and sharing informaiton at this juncture isn't necessary. If a scumbag makes a claim that conflicts with whatever his info/results are, fine. But until then, absolutely not.

Also, this only solidifies my opinion that one of DDD/LLD is scum, if Dana has ~some kind~ of information role. We are not lynching outside of that pair today.

That said,

Unvote

for now. I expect

EVERYONE

to ISO these two players over the next couple of days and start forming some opinions.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No. Unless it will confirm a protown player who is not yet confirmed, or out us a scumbag, there's no reason to. Dana himself is already confirmed town, and sharing informaiton at this juncture isn't necessary. If a scumbag makes a claim that conflicts with whatever his info/results are, fine. But until then, absolutely not.

Also, this only solidifies my opinion that one of DDD/LLD is scum, if Dana has ~some kind~ of information role. We are not lynching outside of that pair today.

That said,

Unvote

for now. I expect

EVERYONE

to ISO these two players over the next couple of days and start forming some opinions.

You understand that Dana has not been paying attention to this game.

And that Dana's results might confirm DDD as scum? Because I don't believe for 1 second that he actually did everything he said, especially with roleblocks and stuff.

[Glork]

THESE ARE THE CLAIMED INFORMATION ROLES.

N1 Nikanor is from Crimea.
N2 SpyreX is unable to determine etc I was roleblocked by Toasty.
N3 Gamma is from Crimea
N4 Kats is from Gallia
N5 Rhinox is Benigion, but the result is SUPER SKETCHY. I get told that basically while I think I know him from Benigion, I am unsure? It was weird, made me think GF etc.
N6 [redacted]

I am not from one of Glork's requested countries and I'm going to claim my ability since I only have so much confirmability from it and because I think it could significantly effect Glork's plans.

Claim: Country Cop

N1: SpyreX - Gallia (Hence why I was annoyed with him when he claimed no country and why I solved the puzzle first)
N2: Tammy - Kilvas
N3: KKB - Crimea
N4: Benmage - Begnion
N5: Glork - (I have a result, I am not claiming it in deference to Glork, I will at his request)
N6: Hindu - Begnion (Like LLD I forgot that Hindu had apparently country claimed)

Oh, cool. So not only is Glork even more confirmed town, but I actually know what my ability does. Yay!

So my ability apparently tells me something about what other people visit my chosen player. Kinda like a voyeur, except I don't find out roles, I find out nations. On the other hand, I visited MoI and got something about how he wanted backup, so maybe that was something special that happened only when I visited him, I don't know. Anyhow, I've almost certainly been blocked lately, because 2 nights in a row, I got something when I used my ability, then 3 nights in a row, I got nothing.

We know for a fact that

Dana is confirmed protown

.
It is fairly safe to assume that

there are not three protown information roles

.

Therefore, we

WILL

be lynching one of DDD/LLD today. No questions asked.


I still want to go with my Have-Toasty-Block-LLD (since we KNOW he can successfully do so), and lynch DDD plan today.

Also, a hearty fuck you to everybody who poo-pooed my plan earlier. It was the play all along.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Glork, Toasty has already submitted his Roleblock on me IIRC.

[Glork]

No. Unless it will confirm a protown player who is not yet confirmed, or out us a scumbag, there's no reason to. Dana himself is already confirmed town, and sharing informaiton at this juncture isn't necessary. If a scumbag makes a claim that conflicts with whatever his info/results are, fine. But until then, absolutely not.

Also, this only solidifies my opinion that one of DDD/LLD is scum, if Dana has ~some kind~ of information role. We are not lynching outside of that pair today.

That said,

Unvote

for now. I expect

EVERYONE

to ISO these two players over the next couple of days and start forming some opinions.

You understand that Dana has not been paying attention to this game.

And that Dana's results might confirm DDD as scum? Because I don't believe for 1 second that he actually did everything he said, especially with roleblocks and stuff.

Like I said,

IF

Dana has information that will confirm DDDscum, fine, he can claim. And no, I don't really like DDD's claimed results either. I still want to block you and lynch him. We're on the same page on all of this.

I still want all of them to review

BOTH your gameplay AND DDD's gameplay

and come to their own conclusions, though.


There's really no negotiating that at this point. Dana is conftown and has confirmed me as town, too. Driver's seat, go.

[Katsuki]

WELL FUCK
I THINK I FINALLY KNOW WHAT MY ROLE DOES
Except my target is dead...

Cheeky Vi...

[Glork]

So Kats, which among {LLD, DDD} would you rather lynch?

[Glork]

Glork, Toasty has already submitted his Roleblock on me IIRC.

Nope, I just re-read his posts, and he has not indicated that he submitted anything. He indicated support for going with my plan, but not that he actually sent anything in.

[Glork]

Feh. The lynch DDD plan is really only "fool-proof" if DDD is scum or LLD is the

only

scumbag remaining... which I am not willing to put my money on.

I think we really do have to examine both players and buckle down and sort out which one is the actual scumbag.

[Vi]

Vote Count XLIV:

Ashera and Yune

(not actually flavor-accurate but etc.)

Debonair Danny DiPietro (L-6) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, ToastyToast,

Glork

Glork (L-6) ~ Gammagooey, Katsuki
Gammagooey (L-7) ~ singersigner
Nikanor (L-7) ~ Hinduragi

Not Voting:

Teleporting Speed Hippos, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Magister Ludi, Nikanor, Tierce, danakillsu, Tammy, Glork

--With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

76

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Toasty can also die for being no-kill-blocked and useless (I don't care about modkills, you should submit at the start of the day and change if necessary).

I would've blocked Benmage, so it wouldn't matter anyways.

@Glork: Are your DDD/me suspicions based entirely on my abilities?

@Hindu: the fact that you are voting someone other than two claimed country cops is blegh. Even if you think Nika is scum, would it not make more sense to clear this obvious dilemma? Do you think two country cops on town side is at all likely?

Also, I am okay with Glork's plan. Will put power on now so no one fucks up.

Glork?

[Glork]

Oh. Well fucking motherfucker.

Hopefully it's something he can change like how most night actions work.

Toasty?

[Hinduragi]

Feh. The lynch DDD plan is really only "fool-proof" if DDD is scum or LLD is the

only

scumbag remaining... which I am not willing to put my money on.

I think we really do have to examine both players and buckle down and sort out which one is the actual scumbag.

I still think we should consider the possibility they're both town and take our time with it.

[ToastyToast]

@Glork: I have sent my action in on LLD, but there is nothing that says I can't change it. Also, I have considered the two of them throughout the day and feel LLD used her power in a much more protown way. She copped Spy and claimed because she had no result, and thought it was suspicious that UN didn't have a result either. This is a protown action, much more protown than waiting until today.

[Magister Ludi]

My little chickadee

DIE!!!!!!!

VOTE: DDD

THE SCUM INFORMATION ROLE!!!!

[Glork]

Feh. The lynch DDD plan is really only "fool-proof" if DDD is scum or LLD is the

only

scumbag remaining... which I am not willing to put my money on.

I think we really do have to examine both players and buckle down and sort out which one is the actual scumbag.

I still think we should consider the possibility they're both town and take our time with it.

So you think that there three protown roles which can find the countries of other players? Have you even read Dana's posts? Or my Post 4904?

[Glork]

@Glork: I have sent my action in on LLD, but there is nothing that says I can't change it. Also, I have considered the two of them throughout the day and feel LLD used her power in a much more protown way. She copped Spy and claimed because she had no result, and thought it was suspicious that UN didn't have a result either. This is a protown action, much more protown than waiting until today.

As scum, "confirming" information that will lead to a mislynch is something a player would gladly do. I don't see how LLD claiming her Spyre result is

only

a protown move. Do you have a specific reason you think she would NOT claim her Spyre result as scum there?

[Glork]

Keep in mind that the town ALSO had a TRACKER.

So anybody who thinks both DDD and LLD are protown thinks that the town power contains:
1) A Tracker (UberNinja)
2) A confirmed mason / pseudo-country cop (Dana)
3) A country cop (DDD)
4) A miller country cop (LLD)

Seriously? Seriously? How can ANYONE possibly think that both DDD and LLD are protown at this point? It honestly baffles me. I don't understand it.

Hindu. Kats. Get to researching LLD and DDD. You're both making excellent cases for why you could be scum with one of these two the more you try to push this absurd FOUR PROTOWN INVESTIGATIVE ROLES agenda.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

@Glork: I have sent my action in on LLD, but there is nothing that says I can't change it. Also, I have considered the two of them throughout the day and feel LLD used her power in a much more protown way. She copped Spy and claimed because she had no result, and thought it was suspicious that UN didn't have a result either. This is a protown action, much more protown than waiting until today.

Good point, using your ability to push through town lynches is an invariably pro-town thing to do.

I like that again like D3 the most dubious players are quickest to jump to vote for me; LLD, Toasty, and ML have probably been most discussed for a lynch today other than me and suddenly they're all on my wagon, wonder how that happens.

I'm still not sure how Dana's ability works because I'm not sure he does, he's "supposed" to find out about nations but didn't when it came to MoI. And apparently he targets a player and the ability works on people targeting the player he targeted? At least that's what I'm getting from 4896.

Finally, if we do indulge Glork and the day has to become LLD vs. DDD; ignoring the variety of things about my play that don't make sense as scum if you people lynch someone claiming to be from Crimea over someone claiming to be from Daein then you've overcomplicated things to a degree the end result of failure is deserved.

[Glork]

Since you're here, DDD, how do you feel about a town with four informational roles, one of which is confirmable as being protown?

I'm not 100% sure on how Dana's role works either, but I'm okay with him keeping it that way. What I do know is that he knows I targeted Rhinox N2, and that I'm from Goldoa. And we know that he gets ~some~ kind of information on players targeting his target. That's really all I *need* to know at this point. Leave him as a question mark, especially if he might not be on the scums' short list of targets. It forces them to make tough decisions.

[Glork]

EBWOP: Point is, DDD, if you're protown, you should probably be thinking that LLD is practically guaranteed to be scum, and should start focusing on getting her lynched and/or identifying her scumbuddy. You're still being too passive in the scumhunting department for my tastes.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Since you're here, DDD, how do you feel about a town with four informational roles, one of which is confirmable as being protown?

If we have two more scum and say neither of them are Daein that means between the two country cops we could only catch half of the scum team as guilties and there would be a false positive on LLD, so that if she hadn't claimed and I had investigated her and claimed my result she would've been lynched without a second thought, furthermore a tracker in a 29 player game is pretty damn unlikely to actually track the scum kill which is the only way he could get a guilty, we're talking like a 12% chance over the first 3 nights, now the role certainly has some utility in terms of confirming abilities but that obviously doesn't really mean anything and finally Dana's ability apparently lacks any sort of fine control because it returns results based on players targeting the player he targets which means he can target players likely to be targeted it's pretty much a crapshoot in terms of what results he'll get. That's really not the overpowering amount of town information you suggest it is for a 29 player game.

~~

PEdit: I will lynch LLD to save my own hide since she's more likely to be scum than I am but I'm not going to simply disregard my assesment of town power for yours because you want me to.

[danakillsu]

Oh, cool. So not only is Glork even more confirmed town, but I actually know what my ability does. Yay!

So my ability apparently tells me something about what other people visit my chosen player. Kinda like a voyeur, except I don't find out roles, I find out nations. On the other hand, I visited MoI and got something about how he wanted backup, so maybe that was something special that happened only when I visited him, I don't know. Anyhow, I've almost certainly been blocked lately, because 2 nights in a row, I got something when I used my ability, then 3 nights in a row, I got nothing.

Was chaos or the state of the battlefield mentioned in your no-response nights? Because TSH indicated that due to the chaos level, he has lost his ability. It fits in with the Endless War / Blue Number mechanic. You might not be able to get anything anymore.

No, this is not consistent with the flavor I have received.

Glork, Dana should claim his results for all nights, Y/N?

You understand that Dana has not been paying attention to this game.

And that Dana's results might confirm DDD as scum? Because I don't believe for 1 second that he actually did everything he said, especially with roleblocks and stuff.

AHAHAHAHA. The irony here is unbelievable. At the same time you're saying I'm not paying attention to the game, you reveal that you've been paying so little attention, you missed the fact that I already claimed my results for all nights. I have no information on DDD whatsoever.

I 100% agree with Glork, and I've been thinking along the same lines. Considering my ability, ANY other ability that has to do with finding out what nation someone is from is somewhat suspect. I've wanted DDD dead for quite a while, and I tried twice to get info on him with no results.

So

vote:DDD