Newbie 1244 - Game Over!

[TraceyLyn11]

Bump?

[Thor665]

Maybe I'll just sheep Tracy since only she and I are playing the game anymore.

And yet again, no one remembers Nacho...

[JohnnyFarrar]

I was drunk last night and am currently out(posting from phone). Be patient, I'll be here.

[Thor665]

I kind of thought we'd already done the patient part since we've been waiting since last Thursday.
For...y'know, just a couple of reads and opinions on the rather small sample selection of 'two players'

[Gliffie]

Sorry for the late post, but it doesn't matter. We've won.

I'm the jailkeeper, Thor is scum

. Thor has been withholding information since he made his claim, because he doesn't have any information. I've been jailing him since N2, and Rach N1. I knew he would have to give away one of his own sooner or later, because Thor knew the real PR was out there, and he wanted to look as town as posible when he claimed. Yesterday he did just that. Now there's just one scumbag left, and we know who he is.

VOTE: Thor. Johhny and Tracey, you have to trust me even though this may seem stupid. Lynch Thor

[TraceyLyn11]

I'm not buying his claim. What do you think, Johnny?

[TraceyLyn11]

And yet again, no one remembers Nacho...

It's okay Nacho, we all love you.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Whaaaat? No. I think Glifscum just wanted this game to end.

[TraceyLyn11]

Agreed.

(I will punch myself in the face if Thor ends up scum.. Promise)

[JohnnyFarrar]

Gliffie - His highest townread D1 dies N1 (won't count that since I think he was everyone's top townread) and second highest townread D1 was scum. He didn't vote on Rach. That matches the one on-one off strategy. He and DJ were separated by a vote on the Robo lynch wagon. Also makes sense if they're partners.

He and DJ could be partners, but it's hard to tell because of how little they both posted.

More on Tracey later, I'll read her ISO while at work. (200 mother effing posts)

[TraceyLyn11]

(200 mother effing posts)

<3 Look at Thor's. He's got three hundred!

[Thor665]

I'm still sorta tempted to actually let Tracy and Johnny work through this themselves...therefore I cut out my defense explanation to Gliffie that easily owned his case.

Vote: Gliffie

Good job on Day 3 though, though I will say Robo helped that one along.

I'll also explain the obv. town clear I had - which was Tracy with an 'e' because she was jailed night 1 - you guys can work out the math on that yourselves.

I'm not helping with this case, Tracy and Johnny can figure it out.

[Thor665]

I will still answer questions though, but the answers are all in thread and are quite obvious.

[Thor665]

And, Johnny, I don't even know why you're looking at Tracy with an 'e' - she's confirmed town now that you have counterclaiming Jailkeepers. By definition one of us is scum (or the worst town player ever).

[JohnnyFarrar]

Good point. Alright, I'll have a look at this, since clearly Im missing something.

[TraceyLyn11]

VOTE: Gliffie

No way it's Johnny. And looking back, if DJ and Thor were partners, it wouldn't make sense that DJ would be freaking out, trying to paint Thor as soft-claiming scum (this was before he told us he was jailkeeper). Thor's scummy (in my opinion, at least), but he doesn't match up with DJ whatsoever. And then there's the two Gliffie jails that ended with no kills...

Gliffie's scum, yo.

[TraceyLyn11]

Just hammer.. I want the game to end.xD

[Thor665]

I am still bewildered by the continued scum read on me.

Can you put it into words without using the words 'rude' or 'antagonistic' or any of their synonyms?
Because that's my suspicion of your case.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Thor, you did lead a few mislynches. (all of them if memory serves.)

[TraceyLyn11]

I am still bewildered by the continued scum read on me.

Can you put it into words without using the words 'rude' or 'antagonistic' or any of their synonyms?
Because that's my suspicion of your case.

Oh god no. That's why I like you. That doesn't deal with my read.

I dunno.. A lot of it I can see from a good IC perspective. But at the same time, I'm skeptical. A specific example would be how long you waited to claim. It's good because it would draw out any scum claims, and you're teaching the newer players patience and to think for themselves. But then again, there's obviously a clear scum advantage there.

Another example is

when

you claimed. You kept calling yourself confirmed town and was flaunting it. On the one hand, your Thor. I don't expect anything less. On the other hand, scum would be pretty happy if they were considered confirmed town.

ANOTHER example (that doesn't have to deal with the claim), would be that half the time it seems like you're purposely trying to trip people up by constantly asking loaded questions. Again, I see the IC potential (and the Thor asshole personality), but it could also be used as a way to pin someone as scum.

And finally, you pushed the Wray wagon. While you may have actually thought she was scum, I find it hard to believe just because of how incredibly TOWNIE she was. (PEDIT: Damn it Johnny!)

Then there's also just the general paranoia of you getting away with a fake claim (I'm always paranoid of fake claims because that's how we won my scum game.XD) no matter how illogical that would be.

It's not so much a scum read, as a paranoia that you were able to pull this large of a gambit off.

[TraceyLyn11]

Just hammer.. I want the game to end.xD

[TraceyLyn11]

*Realization*

Have we not had a single nightkill this game..?

[TraceyLyn11]

Thought I submitted this.. Huh:

Never mind: Numbers.

[Thor665]

Thor, you did lead a few mislynches. (all of them if memory serves.)

I also lead the only correct lynch we had and jailed scum 3 out of 4 times.
So...yeah, good case.

A specific example would be how long you waited to claim. It's

good because it would draw out any scum claims

, and you're teaching the newer players patience and to think for themselves.

But then again, there's obviously a clear scum advantage there

.

So it could be done for either a pro town or pro scum gain - you need to look at it in context at that point and figure out what I was doing it for.
At the core - this is a null tell until you do that.

Another example is

when

you claimed. You kept calling yourself confirmed town and was flaunting it. On the one hand, your Thor. I don't expect anything less. On the other hand, scum would be pretty happy if they were considered confirmed town.

I was confirmed town...so...
And flaunting is a character trait. It clearly isn't a scumtell.

ANOTHER example (that doesn't have to deal with the claim), would be that half the time it seems like you're purposely trying to trip people up by constantly asking loaded questions. Again, I see the IC potential (and the Thor asshole personality), but it could also be used as a way to pin someone as scum.

It could also be taken as scumhunting and trying to force people to think.
Again, it's, at best, a null tell until you look at it in perspective. Was I using it to make people think and to get reads, or was I using it to trip people up and lynch them?

And finally, you pushed the Wray wagon. While you may have actually thought she was scum, I find it hard to believe just because of how incredibly TOWNIE she was. (PEDIT: Damn it Johnny!)

Wray was not incredibly townie in my opinion - and neither was she in the opinion of 2 other town (and, for a while, yourself)
For this to be a scumtell you have to be able to show some sort of evidence that I *did* believe she was incredibly townie....and didn't care.
That would make it very scummy.
Otherwise it's called a difference of opinion (take, for example, me calling Johnny and 2139-048 obv. town - I did so early and did so correctly, and I questioned people who voted them but never used it as a case against anyone...because I understood that just because I saw them as town didn't mean everyone did. Instead I spent time trying to understand *why* people saw them as scum. aka 'scumhunting')

Then there's also just the general paranoia of you getting away with a fake claim (I'm always paranoid of fake claims because that's how we won my scum game.XD) no matter how illogical that would be.

That apranoia is interesting - you ought to be able to read the game and come to a solid conclusion about it without even needing my input though.

It's not so much a scum read, as a paranoia that you were able to pull this large of a gambit off.

My scum gambits tend to require less head twisting and eye squinting, on average.

[TraceyLyn11]

Did I say my reasoning was good? No. Hence why I'm not voting you, and have chose not to pursue you being possible scum. I just know if you do flip scum, I will hate myself.XD

Johnnyyyyyyyyy. I'm really anxious for this game to end. What else do you need to read? You and I are confirmed town. Gliffie claimed under pressure, Thor did not. And Thor's jails make more sense. Just hammer!