Abarat: Days of Magic, Nights of War Mafia (Endgame)

[petapan]

tierce's role claim isn't particularly meaningful either way - it's information that either town or scum could have (although searching online, numa child seems likely to be a town role and the information confirms that he is in this game and not a fakeclaim or whatever)

but really, is there any reason, any reason at all that people are ignoring seraphim?

[MattP]

Peta, what do you think of Tierce? Why are you wasting your vote?

[petapan]

i thought she was an okay vote but i wanted to pursue an alternate suspicion that people seem to be ignoring, with the claim i am less inclined to vote her - which isn't to say i'm townreading her but that i want to look elsewhere

so why don't you tell me what you think of seraphim

[AGar]

Didn't the first Abarat Mafia have a pairing of "informed" roles where one knew one was town and the other knew one was scum?

[MattP]

I can't read his walls right now, I'm rolling. I'll get to it tomorrow.

[Minimum]

Didn't the first Abarat Mafia have a pairing of "informed" roles where one knew one was town and the other knew one was scum?

Yes and this matters how?

Tierce, does your ability explicitly state that you don't know that guy's alignment or is it just implied?

[Tierce]

It's implied.

AGar, how much flavor knowledge do you have?

[Minimum]

It find it weird that your ability wouldn't explicitly say that he was town, given that the flavour makes it abundantly clear and that the original Abarat's informed townie role did explicitly mention that the other dude was scum, which was about equally obvious.

[Minimum]

Wait. Based on the excerpt I read the plant person forgets about the Numa Child every time. Your role makes no sense. The Numa Child knowing about the plant person makes sense but not the other way around.

[Tierce]

...which is probably why I don't know Numa Child's alignment, genius.

[Minimum]

You're supposed to literally not know Numa Child.

[AGar]

Didn't the first Abarat Mafia have a pairing of "informed" roles where one knew one was town and the other knew one was scum?

Yes and this matters how?

People acting as if both existing confirms both as town. This is... problematic, in my eyes.

AGar, how much flavor knowledge do you have?

None, I'm currently trying to unprocrastinate reading the books.

[Tierce]

Except when I do. Elathuria repeatedly falls in love with Numa Child, asks him to look for her again, then forgets him as the seasons pass.

That's the flavor and info I have from my role PM. If no one claims Numa Child, you know he's probably a scum role, so let's see if someone claims him, then we can work from there.

Would really like AGar to answer my question, though.

Alright. AGar, what's your read on petapan and why?

[AGar]

Petapan is slight town. Mainly an admittance of not 100% being head first in this game and admitting that he's kind of angry his main tool to sheep is gone when that tool to sheep has been pretty destructive towards Night so far.

[Minimum]

People acting as if both existing confirms both as town. This is... problematic, in my eyes.

It confirms their role name and by extension their alignment since neither character makes the slightest bit of sense as Night or Commexo aligned.

We'll just wait if there is a Numa Child that also happens to know the plant role is in the game. If there isn't, we lynch her without a second thought - it makes zero sense to have that relation be asymmetric in a way that means the plant person is the one that's knowledgeable.

[petapan]

drrr drrr flavor arguments drrr drrr lynch seraphim

I'm not defending him, I just asked isn't that something he tends to do, I still see it as scummy, when did I say that I thought it made him feel more town like in my eyes?

Staeg and UT

438 wrote:
Okay no I'm retarded
I'll help you along with that wagon; still think shinori's scum
unvote
Vote: UT


I think this should put to rest UT/Tierce scum allegations for the moment. I'm not sure why scum would try to discredit wagon on popular town lynch in order to bus their buddy. Staeg wasn't facing any pressure at that point, no reason to abandon ship.

Okay, taking a look at chesskid's play, I would like to say that both Staeg and chesskid were pushing the same two lynches: Shinori and UT until he finally votes Staeg in 499 in what could very well be bussing. The same two lynches(admittedly at two different times), lynches that look like serious scumbait to me. I don't think UT's play has been that scummy, merely distracted. Also, Staeg's vote on UT, as explained earlier, was not timed right to be a bus. It doesn't make any sense as a bus IMO. Shinori's play reads VI town under pressure and I'd be happy to provide some examples of why to anyone interested.

In the meantime, I would suggest people join me in voting chesskid.

Oh yeah, I wanted to say that if Tierce is scum there is confirmed daytalk for scum.

Haha you've got to be kidding me. Shinori's ill-contrived suicide attempt proves that scum almost certainly DO NOT have daytalk. There is a possibility that the scumteam is full of idiots but any player with the tiniest bit of skill could see that Shinori's play was terribly timed.

Unvote
Vote: Tierce

(guise im so mad that my dumb scumbuddy suicide bombed the IC that was townreading him)

[petapan]

oh this is gonna be good

[Seraphim]

blah blah confirmation bias blah blah blah I have nothing blah blah blah

[Seraphim]

who's angry? You're the one who can't give up his shitty case. Why are you trying so desperately to deflect off of Tierce?

[petapan]

mmm yeah of all the possible responses you could have given

that was the wrong one to make

[Tierce]

Hai. This is the wrong way to go at things.

Massclaim time for Numa Child. A Y/N suffices.

If you're Numa Child, do this regardless of whether or not your role says I'm protown--because if Numa Child doesn't refuses to claim, we learn it's a scum role.

[Tierce]

EBWOP:
-refuses to

English is very tech. Sadly I do not count as a citizen yet.

[Hinduragi]

That's very dumb. I could go and announce that for every rolename I know of in the books.

Hey guys, if you're Mater Motley, please claim. I need to know ASAP so we know if it's a scum role. The hell is this shit. I wish I had saved my vote for the hammer.

[Nuwen]

Kill it.

[Hinduragi]

You can bus Tierce and hammer her now. I promise I won't hold it against you until at least a Day or more down the line.