Open 419 Diffusion of Power - Game Over

Natalie · Post Post #650 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:55 am

I am voting you for trying to get a cop who got a guilty on scum lynched. I don't believe your gambit explanation. I think you are scum who is trying to get out an obvious townie lynched.

IceGuy · Post Post #651 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:56 am

In post 650, Natalie wrote:I am voting you for trying to get a cop who got a guilty on scum lynched. I don't believe your gambit explanation. I think you are scum who is trying to get out an obvious townie lynched.

In post 640, IceGuy wrote:Natalie has been going "I want IceGuy lynched! I want IceGuy lynched!" over and over, without giving any reason except for "I don't agree with him".

Hellraiser · Post Post #652 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:58 am

But really, I think we have a better chance to hit scum on Dayne than on Natalie, I don't think Venmar and Natalie would buddy this hard if they were the scum team and I think I'm 66% on Venmar compared to Natalie. Natalie looks a bit too much like a VI for my liking and ConfidAnon was a pretty strong town read of mine.

IceGuy · Post Post #653 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:59 am

In post 652, Hellraiser wrote:But really, I think we have a better chance to hit scum on Dayne than on Natalie, I don't think Venmar and Natalie would buddy this hard if they were the scum team and I think I'm 66% on Venmar compared to Natalie. Natalie looks a bit too much like a VI for my liking and ConfidAnon was a pretty strong town read of mine.

Even if you think she's not scum, she's still a good lynch because she shouldn't be in LyLo.

Hellraiser · Post Post #654 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:01 am

No, but I'd prefer taking out scum over taking out VI's.

Venmar · Post Post #655 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:01 am

IceGuy wants to lynch town players now. THIS IS NOT OUR OBJECTIVE.

Hellraiser · Post Post #656 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:03 am

It's only one mislynch until LyLo, this ain't no time for some kind of compromise policy lynch.

PEdit: He's pretty obviously thinking that Natalie is scum Venmar, nice try to twist his words around there. He shouldn't be trying to convince me with that argument though.

IceGuy · Post Post #657 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:03 am

In post 655, Venmar wrote:IceGuy wants to lynch town players now. THIS IS NOT OUR OBJECTIVE.

BEEP BEEP BEEP

MISREP DETECTED

BEEP BEEP BEEP

Venmar · Post Post #658 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:05 am

Not a misrep. You are willing to lynch Natalie regardless if she is scum or not, and that's bad.

IceGuy · Post Post #659 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:06 am

In post 658, Venmar wrote:Not a misrep. You are willing to lynch Natalie regardless if she is scum or not, and that's bad.

See, that's pretty much a textbook misrep. I've said approximately a bajillion times that Natalie is my main suspect for third scum.

Hellraiser · Post Post #660 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:07 am

In post 658, Venmar wrote:Not a misrep. You are willing to lynch Natalie regardless if she is scum or not, and that's bad.

That's not what you said in your last post.

Besides, that's faulty logic. He thinks that Natalie is scum so your accusation holds no ground. One could argue that he's got terrible policies but that's hardly indicative of alignment.

Venmar · Post Post #661 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:07 am

Ok. But saying you would lynch her just to avoid having her in LyLo means you're willing to lynch her if she was town.

Venmar · Post Post #662 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:08 am

Hellraiser is officially answering for IceGuy. Buddying noted.

Natalie · Post Post #663 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:09 am

If I was scum with Venmar, I wouldn't make it so obvious. I genuinely think he is town and you are scum. All you do is write me off as posting no content and calling me scum. How can you call me scum if I haven't posted content?

Hellraiser · Post Post #664 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:11 am

I'd like to see IceGuy respond to my #652 though.

PEdit: Read my earlier post Venmar. That's not indicative of alignment and if you're going for a policy lynch on him for that you're by definition just as horrible.
PEdit 2: There's a difference. I'm not answering for him because I think you're wrong, I'm answering for him because I think your thoughts are scum driven.
PEdit 3 (holy fuck): WIFOM, but I get the gist of what you're saying. I'd like to see you provide a case though - to convince the rest of the town if nothing else.

IceGuy · Post Post #665 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:13 am

In post 661, Venmar wrote:Ok. But saying you would lynch her just to avoid having her in LyLo means you're willing to lynch her if she was town.

Explain how that's a bad thing.

In post 662, Venmar wrote:Hellraiser is officially answering for IceGuy. Buddying noted.

This word, I don't think you know what it means.

In post 663, Natalie wrote:If I was scum with Venmar, I wouldn't make it so obvious. I genuinely think he is town and you are scum.

Why aren't you giving any reasons, then?

All you do is write me off as posting no content and calling me scum. How can you call me scum if I haven't posted content?

So you're saying the optimal strategy for scum is to post no content?

In post 664, Hellraiser wrote:I'd like to see IceGuy respond to my #652 though.

I think I've already made clear my positions on Dayne, Natalie and ConfidAnon.

Hellraiser · Post Post #666 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:15 am

In post 635, Natalie wrote:Would you be willing to move onto Hellraiser? I am strangely confident IceGuy/Hellraiser are the scumteam, but would prefer voting IceGuy.

In post 663, Natalie wrote:If I was scum with Venmar, I wouldn't make it so obvious.

Also this - hypocrisy noted.

Or am I wrong in thinking that you suspect me because I agree with IceGuy?

PEdit: Yeah, I know. I mostly want specific comments on Natalie based on my points. Nothing you can spare?

Venmar · Post Post #667 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:16 am

Where did I say I was going to turn it into a Policy Lynch? Having intent to lynch town players is not a town mindset.

My thoughts are my own. I don't actually give a damn what you think my motives are, or what you think of me, but I know I am town so your guess is wrong.

PEdit: Lol.
PEdit2: Lol.

IceGuy · Post Post #668 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:19 am

In post 666, Hellraiser wrote:
PEdit: Yeah, I know. I mostly want specific comments on Natalie based on my points. Nothing you can spare?

I agree Natalie is a VI, but I read her as a scum-VI. I also had a null read on ConfidAnon.

In post 667, Venmar wrote:Where did I say I was going to turn it into a Policy Lynch? Having intent to lynch town players is not a town mindset.

Explain why it is wrong for a town player to play to the town win condition.

My thoughts are my own. I don't actually give a damn what you think my motives are, or what you think of me, but I know I am town so your guess is wrong.

Fluff.

Venmar · Post Post #669 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:20 am

OMG. OMG. OMG.

/headdesk
/headdesk two
/headdesk three

IceGuy · Post Post #670 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:21 am

In post 669, Venmar wrote:OMG. OMG. OMG.

/headdesk
/headdesk two
/headdesk three

More fluff. Answer the question.

Hellraiser · Post Post #671 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:23 am

In post 667, Venmar wrote:Where did I say I was going to turn it into a Policy Lynch? Having intent to lynch town players is not a town mindset.

That depends. Usually not, but policy lynches are exempt from that rule for self-explanatory reasons.

Venmar wrote:I don't actually give a damn what you think my motives are, or what you think of me, but I know I am town so your guess is wrong.

You should if you are town. Mafia is a game based on arguing. If you're going to be in this game you'll have to argue why I'm wrong. You're free to avoid me in future games but for the sake of everyone you better hide your prejudices in this game.

PEdit: Alright. Thanks I guess. I don't agree that policy lynching this late is playing to a town wincon (I think it's pretty stupid) but I can't say I find it that scummy either.
PEdit 2: It's time to start contributing Venmar. That kind of posts are entirely useless.

Venmar · Post Post #672 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:23 am

Why, would you want to lynch a town player and go into LyLo rather than try and lynch scum to AVOID LyLo? This makes no sense from a towns perspective. " Oh hey, i know that if we mislynch we go into LyLo, but you know what, let's MISLYNCH this guy because I feel like we should go into LyLo, but without him ".

Venmar · Post Post #673 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:25 am

In post 653, IceGuy wrote:Even if you
think she's not scum
, she's still a good lynch because she shouldn't be in LyLo.

- The bolded hints she would be town, so the rest of the sentence is in the PoV that she is town. You never mentioned her being a Scum VI in this post.

IceGuy · Post Post #674 (ISO) » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:28 am

In post 672, Venmar wrote:
Why, would you want to lynch a town player and go into LyLo rather than try and lynch scum to AVOID LyLo? This makes no sense from a towns perspective. " Oh hey, i know that if we mislynch we go into LyLo, but you know what, let's MISLYNCH this guy because I feel like we should go into LyLo, but without him ".

This is not about lynching town over scum. So, another misrep.

I'm asking you one more time: Why is it bad to lynch town when this means you have a greater chance of fulfilling the town win condition?

In post 673, Venmar wrote:
In post 653, IceGuy wrote:Even if you
think she's not scum
, she's still a good lynch because she shouldn't be in LyLo.

- The bolded hints she would be town, so the rest of the sentence is in the PoV that she is town. You never mentioned her being a Scum VI in this post.

Yes. That's Hellraiser's PoV, not mine, which is obvious reading the sentence. Yet one more misrep coming from scum-Venmar.