NY 154: Return to Boring Town - Game Over

[inte]

Why would you bring it up? Was his response important to know?

[Nocmen]

Vote Count 19

Empking - 6(roflcopter, Velazanth, Toon Fighter, VisceraEyes, Arugula, Salamence20)
Arugula - 2(mcqueen, Empking)
mcqueen - 1(MagnaOfIllusion)

Not Voting - 3(inte,Toogeloo, McStab)

12 alive, takes 7 to lynch

[Empking]

Sala: I don't know what you're looking at that made you vote me. What is it?

[Salamence20]

Empking is scum. Please hammer.

If he was a JK, he would of claimed earlier given my post about MoI.

He is lying.

[Empking]

If he was a JK, he would of claimed earlier given my post about MoI.

No I wouldn't have? I thought you were town, why would I claim in order to incriminate a town read? If I get lynched, when I flip Jailkeeper should everyone think you're scum? If no, then why not considering town will know as much about the MOI JK as I did?

[Empking]

Second question is rhetorical; first is at you discretion; I would like an answer to the third and fourth though.

[Salamence20]

1. Why not, it should of been breadcrummed atleast. If I was a cop with a town read on MoI and he got a guity, should i not of said something? Or if I protected ROFL and someone slips trying to kill ROFL, should I of claimed or crummed to lynch possible scum, despite reads?

2. Again, same as 1.

3. Im not sure why my alignment would be obvscum over the others on your wagon, but yes, they probably will, meaning ROFL is scum or my reads on the three of us suck. Arugula is still scum anyways.

4. I wont blame my town for lynching me for what I said. It was stupid. But i feel you should of breadcrumbed it, despite reads,

[Empking]

1. Why not, it should of been breadcrummed atleast. If I was a cop with a town read on MoI and he got a guity, should i not of said something? Or if I protected ROFL and someone slips trying to kill ROFL, should I of claimed or crummed to lynch possible scum, despite reads?

Firstly, a breadcrumb is a claim that only scum can only read.

Secondly, "Or if I protected ROFL and someone slips trying to kill ROFL, should I of claimed or crummed to lynch possible scum, despite reads?" No you should not. The first outs a power role for marginal benefit. The second outs a power role for no benefit.

Thirdly, did you slip trying to kill

ROFL

MOI?

[Salamence20]

No. I did not

[MagnaofIllusion]

No because ROFL isn't the scum most likely to be roleblocked by me. Read the seven, or however many, players flat out disbelieving that I'd roleblock ROFL.

Ummm … whut? You are arguing because people other than yourself are suggesting your claimed Jail action isn’t logical then he wouldn’t be the most likely target when he clearly was (if you aren’t lying) since you did claim to target him. Is it incorrect to say he was your biggest scum suspect going into Night 2 and you targetted him in an attempt to block the scum kill?

You make my head hurt Empking …

MOI: If scum has a roleblocker then it still makes more sense for scum to kill the genuinely-agreed-to-be-town power role (VE) over the suspected power role.

So you think what? That scum left Viscera alone regardless of RB or not? Do you think the scum team has reason to shoot Nhammen over both claimed Town roles? If so why aren’t you pursing that train of thought. If not I’m not seeing where this is going …

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Scum knows who is town. If VE had mentioned something that would of caused the last (or 2 last) mafia to freak, they would of killed him. That's what I would of done if I was scum. Why waste a roleblock on a vig that mafia knows they are going to misfire? It's a nice way to start yelling "VE is SK".

The little tidbit here is that you are incorrectly assuming (at least from an outsiders standpoint, anyway) is that we have no proof it would have been a misfire.

You keep spouting off as if this is a confirmed fact when it’s far from it. Once again your failure to consider the possibility of a Roleblocker in your conclusions is troublesome.

As I asked Empking above – why is Nhammen dead over two claimed Powerroles Sala?

[Salamence20]

I dont know MoI. Empking was the only person to actually mention nhammen. And something about those posts bug me now.

[Toogeloo]

IMHO, nhammen was likely the safest kill. My guess is scum aren't/weren't sure if a Doctor or Watcher exists, and whether said Doc/Watch would target VE who is a very pro-town player with a power-role. Nhammen was generally accepted as Town from Day 1 play by most people, but was probably the least likely to draw protection after the Day 2 we had, making him a likely the safest kill.

[Salamence20]

MoI, imconfused about the roleblocker? What is the point when VE said she didnt shoot?

[Salamence20]

Scratch that, i see.

[inte]

sala, are you scum with MoI?

[inte]

MoI, why is your vote on McQueen?

[inte]

MoI, whats your read on salamence?

[Empking]

Ummm … whut? You are arguing because people other than yourself are suggesting your claimed Jail action isn’t logical

People aren't claiming that it's illogical. They're claiming that it's impossible (or too improbable, possibly). People aren't voting me going "I think he's a town Jailkeeper but he sucks too badly to let live", they went "I don't buy the night action"*.

then he wouldn’t be the most likely target when he clearly was (if you aren’t lying) since you did claim to target him.

That's a horrid mis-use of probability.

MOI: I don't know why Nhammen. My first thought was that one of his suspects were scum. Tooge cleared them and now I haven't the foggiest. I'd suspect a frame attempt but I was the only one to push the Nhammen-suspect angle and I didn't kill Nhammen.

* Not an actual quote.

[Salamence20]

sala, are you scum with MoI?

Only saying this once.

Inte, youre town. I am not scum with MoI.

You are town and so am I.

Now shut the fuck up and do something productive.

[inte]

i see a discrepancy, which is why im asking these questions

[McStab]

Aside from the weird (and in my opinion, flawed) jailkeeping choice by Empking, his Day One play could align with scum RB. He refused to jump on the Prescending wagon or even discuss it.

His Day Two behaviour is bad for tunnelling ROFL most of the day (who I'd consider nowhere near Arugula or Sala's scumminess) but is somewhat offset by staying off the PM wagon.

I wouldn't be totally disinclined from lynching Empking today, but we definitely ought to discuss more. Anyone hammering him right now (only three pages into the day) will be near the top of my scumlist, regardless of how he flips.

[inte]

how is cleansing your hands of an obvious mislynch any way towny?

nobody really WANTED to lynch PM, its just HAD to be done

[inte]

what im trying to say is at best, its null

[Salamence20]

how is cleansing your hands of an obvious mislynch any way towny?

nobody really WANTED to lynch PM, its just HAD to be done

This. Lynching a townie was better than no lynching.

[Empking]

Aside from the weird (and in my opinion, flawed) jailkeeping choice by Empking, his Day One play could align with scum RB. He refused to jump on the Prescending wagon or even discuss it.

I did not "refuse to discuss it" don't engage in hyperbole. I simply didn't discuss it because I hadn't noticed it.