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[esuriospiritus]

I think I missed something. Why can't kdowns be NY scum?

[BBmolla]

Cause he's town.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Because of his reaction to the Trollie/Amrun wagons. If he was NY scum he wouldn't have killed the Amrun-momentum we had by stalling his vote for like 5 days until it was almost deadline, especially since everyone was telling him to vote her and there was no good reason anyone would suspect him of being scum for adding to our case.

So if anything, that behavior could be Sicilian but not NY.

[Amrun]

p-edit:

Because of his activity re: me and trollie, which I was not previously aware of.

p-edit 2: yeah

[esuriospiritus]

meh ok, that makes sense

VOTE: Agar

SHEEP ALL THE VOTES

[Nachomamma8]

Unvote, Vote: AGar

[Nuwen]

Kdowns voted for Trollie when Trollie was the only real viable lynch. He wasn't voting for the full duration of the MoS wagon. When he came back and had the opportunity to vote Plum, he instead

VOTE: Amrun

This is the lynch of the day.

Too lazy to post my case though .-.

And people are saying he can't possibly be NY scum? Are you people retarded?

Why?

Because Hito focused on casing Kdowns d1 with Amrun/MoS available? You'll notice Hito had every opportunity to contribute to meaningful (mis)lynches - instead, his vote remained in a one-off, non-threatening place. Pointing out the weaknesses in his buddies' behavior is how Hito plays scum because he believes scum-hunting is a universal thing; scummy is scummy is scummy, and it's better to lampshade scummy things buddies do than try to ignore them. Hito's vote was never a THREAT to kdowns life and could easily be an artificial piece of distance.

Because kdowns hammered Hito? Was there any doubt that Hito would be lynched yesterday? No.

[Mastermind of Sin]

This has nothing to do with hito.

[xRECKONERx]

This has nothing to do with hito.

I think that was a cue to "actually show why he can't be NY scum".

[Mastermind of Sin]

I already did. Pay attention.

[Nuwen]

Yeah I've been shirking this one. Although Hitolynch was fast for those of us with unfun jobs that keep us there several hours past our time to go home so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Could you explain in a couple sentences why Amrun is scum? I know you don't have a lot of time, so make it brief.

Amrun is voting for you right now. Is she the only scum on your wagon?

p.s. What the heck is that cute little korean emote?

[AGar]

Amrun Scum in 30 seconds or probably not less.

- Voting MattP on a fake daycop gambit, says she has a real scumread on Reck, doesn't move her vote to him, instead keeps up her fake daycop read.
- Constant insistent in not actually coming to her own conclusions on reads and instead relying on relaying with other people (translation: allowing people to spoon feed her well-accepted and noncontroversial reads) before deducing who is scum.
- The constant struggle that this wagon has received even though some of the more vocal/obvtown players in this game have been behind it.
- Habit of bouncing back between le wagon du jour whichever one seemed to suit her, then going completely under when Hito was the super-powered speed lynch.

[AGar]

Amrun Scum in 30 seconds or probably not less.

- Voting MattP on a fake daycop gambit, says she has a real scumread on Reck, doesn't move her vote to him, instead keeps up her fake daycop read.
- Constant insistent in not actually coming to her own conclusions on reads and instead relying on relaying with other people (translation: allowing people to spoon feed her well-accepted and noncontroversial reads) before deducing who is scum.
- The constant struggle that this wagon has received even though some of the more vocal/obvtown players in this game have been behind it.
- Habit of bouncing back between le wagon du jour whichever one seemed to suit her, then going completely under when Hito was the super-powered speed lynch.

[Nuwen]

That stuff was mostly spurious.

(3:56:31 PM) Mercuriala: Quickdraw this post for me, please.
(3:56:48 PM) The1AndOnlyAgar: the emote is sup son, btw
(3:56:53 PM) Mercuriala: Sup son?
(3:57:07 PM) The1AndOnlyAgar: it's a SeleCT thing, he was doing it in games and shit

We also call that a Hitoshrug. It's kind of his thang.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Nuwen]

unvote, vote Agar

[Nuwen]

(the middle face part is a Jap keyboard character btw, not korean)

[Nuwen]

That stuff was mostly spurious.

Nuwen: Quickdraw this post for me, please.
Agar: the emote is sup son, btw
Nuwen: Sup son?
Agar: it's a SeleCT thing, he was doing it in games and shit

We also call that a Hitoshrug. It's kind of his thang.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

tags and names fixed w/e I got excited when Agar followed up and gave me a Korean explanation about the Hitoshrug emote.

SeleCT is a really well-known pro Brood Wars & SC2 player from South Korea.

[AGar]

My AIM is on my profile anyways.

[Nuwen]

You might decide to remove it one day and wouldn't want it immortalized by a google scrawlbotting viewtopic.php. Not even scum deserve that kind of thing.

[InflatablePie]

semi-V/LA till Sunday night because work and etc

[Amrun]

Amrun Scum in 30 seconds or probably not less.

- Voting MattP on a fake daycop gambit, says she has a real scumread on Reck, doesn't move her vote to him, instead keeps up her fake daycop read.
- Constant insistent in not actually coming to her own conclusions on reads and instead relying on relaying with other people (translation: allowing people to spoon feed her well-accepted and noncontroversial reads) before deducing who is scum.
- The constant struggle that this wagon has received even though some of the more vocal/obvtown players in this game have been behind it.
- Habit of bouncing back between le wagon du jour whichever one seemed to suit her, then going completely under when Hito was the super-powered speed lynch.

-Why should I give up a gambit before it produces results? Herpaderp
-Blatantly wrong and just repeated from other people who were also wrong without even understanding the points behind it
-LOL I WAS COUNTERWAGON TO SCUM
-Haven't done that - suspected hito long before he was wagoned, talked to otehrs INCLUDING YOU about it and simply wasn't around for his speed wagon - suspected you long before someone else decided to vote you and it's well documented


FAIL

[esuriospiritus]

-LOL I WAS COUNTERWAGON TO SCUM

multiballlllllllllllllll

[xRECKONERx]

-Why should I give up a gambit before it produces results? Herpaderp

What results were you expecting from an obviously fake, outlandish claim D1? Once the game moved past "gambits and RVS", what was the purpose in NOT giving up on your fake daycop gambit?

Blatantly wrong and just repeated from other people who were also wrong without even understanding the points behind it

No, he's pretty much right there. You pushed on me, then used esurio to hop off. You did a 180 on Trollie twice IIRC due to private conversations with people. This happened several times and you didn't show your work, it was just "after talking to [scapegoat], I've changed my mind".

LOL I WAS COUNTERWAGON TO SCUM

First off, it's multiball. Second off, the way your wagon developed wasn't as a "counterwagon". In fact, it'd be more reasonable to say that MattP was the counterwagon D1. Your wagon popped up halfway through the day after the Trollie wagon had already been around and consisted of Pie, Grimm, and NS as its only voters for awhile. AGar hopped on eventually after NS hopped off. So do you think Pie/Grimm/NS are scum? Because they were the only ones on your wagon for a very significant portion of D1. Hell, the MoS wagon gained traction quicker than your wagon did.

Haven't done that - suspected hito long before he was wagoned, talked to otehrs INCLUDING YOU about it and simply wasn't around for his speed wagon - suspected you long before someone else decided to vote you and it's well documented

This may be true, and honestly, the only thing stopping me from supporting your wagon are private conversations I had with hito. He was poking and prodding me about you, specifically your flip-flop on your Trollie read. He never blatantly told me to go after you, but he would drop little tidbits here and there to lay the groundwork for it. They were via Skype mostly, but the best example I can give for what I'm talking about is this one conversation on AIM:

Hito: while she's showering, your thoughts on amrun 454? (her big wall)
Hito: I mean obviously her daycop on mattp thing was made the fuck up
Hito: but the transistion from against matt to matt-town trollie scum is odd
Hito: looking at the matt/trollie line specificially, what do you make of that reversal?
Hito: circa 454 trollie was the person she'd vote if not you

This was AFTER I had already posted my big wall/case attacking Amrun, so this gentle nudging/prodding doesn't make sense unless hito was actually trying to steer me into being the scumteam's Knight in Shining Armor who could derail the Trollie wagon for them and move it onto Amrun. It doesn't CLEAR her, but it does make me want to lynch her a lot less.

[Nuwen]

AGAR LITERALLY CLAIMED HITO_SHRUG_SCUM TO ME A COUPLE POSTS ABOVE HI GUYS


HI

[xRECKONERx]

okay this seems fun enough

Vote AGar

wheeeeeeeeeeeee~