Open 437: Town of Semi-Nightless Plots (Game Over)

[seilkops]

What happened to all the votes on me? I think we should look closely at the people who jumped off my wagon.
GG is still scum IMO, but I bet we could find his partner in that. Plus GG's not giving me too much to read, so I don't want to go and push a wagon on him without asking him some questions.

[seilkops]

I think Voided's town, but I'm biased cause' he's one of the few people I didn't have to repeat myself over and over to. He's not giving me any scummy vibes so far. It'd suck if he was though.

@Voided

Are you scum?

Yarr.

Techno and Godot are the scum team.

Seilkops, Cheery Dog and Voidedmafia are definitely town.

Vote: Godot

Voidedmafia, sheep me.

I can roll with this. I'll look at both of them, and figure out which one is GG's partner. I think it'll be Godot, but don't wanna be sloppy so I'll look in the morning.

Cheery is town, but really confusing town. Double negative city.

[seilkops]

I'm no longer seeing seilkops as scum. He was starting to make more sense and not make stumbling posts. Now he's lashing out at everyone and everything and that does not seem like something a scum would do. Worth noting that I played Open 438 with seil and he was lurker scum.

Isn't lashing out at everyone and everything the same as flailing? Which is scummy, I might add.

[Voidedmafia]

@Voided

Are you scum?

Sure [/joking]

also, for 124, it means analzying the wagon on you yourself.

[andrew94]

@ mod, i require 1-2 days of v/la due to test

(i may post anyway in the midst of studying! )

[Cheery Dog]

I'm no longer seeing seilkops as scum. He was starting to make more sense and not make stumbling posts. Now he's lashing out at everyone and everything and that does not seem like something a scum would do. Worth noting that I played Open 438 with seil and he was lurker scum.

Isn't lashing out at everyone and everything the same as flailing? Which is scummy, I might add.

I don't see flailing always being scummy, though it's definitely not a towntell.
I'm also not aware of you lashing out at everything, just everybody who failed to understand your earlier posts.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Great. CES comes here to ruin my day.

What is that supposed to mean?

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.05

funkybike1 (3) - ProsecutorGodot, TeChNoWC, Mr.K
TeChNoWC (3) - Cogito Ergo Sum, Voidedmafia, funkybike1
greygnarl (1) - seilkops
Voidedmafia (1) - greygnarl

Not Voting (3) - andrew94, Hiraki, Cheery Dog

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

The deadline is Wednesday, August 29, 2012, at 10:00 AM EDT (UTC-4).

Mod Notes

greygnarl is V/LA until August 19.
Hiraki is V/LA until August 20.
andrew94 is V/LA until August 21.

Good luck on your test, andrew94!

[Mr.K]

Don't see the case against Voidedmafia.

Don't see the connection between TeChNoWC and ProsecutorGodot and don't see either of the two as scum.

My vote stays, especially after how funkybike1 hopped onto the TeChNoWC wagon without providing any reasons for it.

[Voidedmafia]

Voidedmafia: This is about when I started to get suspicious. Leaning scum.

Because...?

Still haven't answered this, Funky.

[greygnarl]

I'm back

I'm no longer seeing seilkops as scum. He was starting to make more sense and not make stumbling posts. Now he's lashing out at everyone and everything and that does not seem like something a scum would do. Worth noting that I played Open 438 with seil and he was lurker scum.

Isn't lashing out at everyone and everything the same as flailing? Which is scummy, I might add.

IMO flailing is trying to look like your playing the game but giving weak reasons while lashing out at everyone is you being angry and just yelling at people for being retarded. Not something a scum is likely to do.

Don't see the case against Voidedmafia.

Don't see the connection between TeChNoWC and ProsecutorGodot and don't see either of the two as scum.

My vote stays, especially after

how funkybike1 hopped onto the TeChNoWC wagon without providing any reasons for it.

Agreed that was scummy

Unvote
Vote:funkybike1

Voidedmafia: This is about when I started to get suspicious. Leaning scum.

Because...?

Still haven't answered this, Funky.

Please do answer. I think Voided could be scum but not for this post. While your at it answer why you hopped on an easy bandwagon for no clear reason other than meh.

[Voidedmafia]

Wait, why did you even--oh, right.

Voidedmafia: Has spent the whole game defending seil and chainsawing those who attack him.
Possible scenario:
-Scum sees seil wagon forming.
-Decides to be the only person who defends him.
-Earns big town points upon lynch and flip.

Vote:Voidedmafia

So...you find the fact that I find the attacks on Seil to not be true and that some of said attacks are rather fallacious to be a problem? I mean, where'd ya get this from?

Answer, boy.

[greygnarl]

Wait, why did you even--oh, right.

Voidedmafia: Has spent the whole game defending seil and chainsawing those who attack him.
Possible scenario:
-Scum sees seil wagon forming.
-Decides to be the only person who defends him.
-Earns big town points upon lynch and flip.

Vote:Voidedmafia

So...you find the fact that I find the attacks on Seil to not be true and that some of said attacks are rather fallacious to be a problem? I mean, where'd ya get this from?

Answer, boy.

Not what I said at all. I said that you could've seen a seil lynch as inevitable and decided to look town. Far-fetched I know but after looking at seil all game there wasn't much to go on. I was "reaction fishing" as you like to say.

What happened to all the votes on me? I think we should look closely at the people who jumped off my wagon.
GG is still scum IMO, but I bet we could find his partner in that. Plus GG's not giving me too much to read, so I don't want to go and push a wagon on him without asking him some questions.

I'll answer whatever questions you have. Reason I jumped off is because your anger seemed very genuine when people(myself and others) were not understanding you.

[seilkops]

If I don't fall asleep, I'll be posting some stuff tonight.

[Voidedmafia]

Not what I said at all. I said that you could've seen a seil lynch as inevitable and decided to look town. Far-fetched I know but after looking at seil all game there wasn't much to go on. I was "reaction fishing" as you like to say.

Bullshit.

Vote: Greygnarl

Quote tag fixed. (Equinox)

[Cheery Dog]

If I don't fall asleep, I'll be posting some stuff tonight.

Nice fluff posting. Do you have any reason for needing to tell us this?

[TeChNoWC]

CES explain your reads.

I'll give Seiklops the benefit of the doubt and 'hope' for now that his claim that he was fishing for reactions is the case, seeing as I'm liking some of his later content. I also like players who bandwagon analyse themselves; it shows they are cognitively thinking from 'I am town' perspective that not many scum do (don't think I've ever seen a scum self-bandwagon analyse).

What's self bandwagon analyzing mean? I feel like I should know, but I'm just too damn tired.

Weighing up the likelihood of people on your wagon being scum. While I don't agree that scum had to be on your wagon that early into D1, scum just don't usually examine their bandwagons from a town perspective; they are more inclined to simply OMGUS their main attacker, or at least question the validity of his/her argument.

In my experience you'll usually find scum on another scum early-mid D1.

Great. CES comes here to ruin my day.

VOTE: Techno

....the fuck?

Of course not. If I wanted you to vote me, I would have said that.

.....the fuck?

You are talking cryptically and I can only make inferences from what you have said, not what you haven't. And it looked like a convenient backtrack to me.

This is why.

...... THE FUCK?

Was gonna ask why you went back so early, though looking at the context it makes some sense.

why not?

Vote: Techno

Wut.

[Voidedmafia]

It makes sense in context, Techno.

[Cheery Dog]

Calling everything against you fuck doesn't help (though I also don't undertsand funkybike's comments)

I can also see with the context the meaning behind CES's vote.

Weighing up the likelihood of people on your wagon being scum. While I don't agree that scum had to be on your wagon that early into D1, scum just don't usually examine their bandwagons from a town perspective; they are more inclined to simply OMGUS their main attacker, or at least question the validity of his/her argument.

Seems like a possible way to remove slight suspicion from yourself considering you were one of the people concerned that was left on the wagon when Seil posted his thoughts that one of 3 might be scum.

VOTE: Techno

Quote tag fixed. (Equinox)

[TeChNoWC]

Calling everything against you fuck doesn't help (though I also don't undertsand funkybike's comments)

I have no way to respond when I don't see the arguments against me. 'It works in context' makes no sense to me.

Seiklops alluded to SM scum, then all of a sudden flipped and said SM town and that it was a reaction test. Gave little indication of why his reads were so. Cryptic talk. My response followed. Problem?

CES are you an MoS alt?

[Voidedmafia]

Calling everything against you fuck doesn't help (though I also don't undertsand funkybike's comments)

I have no way to respond when I don't see the arguments against me. 'It works in context' makes no sense to me.

Seiklops alluded to SM scum, then all of a sudden flipped and said SM town and that it was a reaction test. Gave little indication of why his reads were so. Cryptic talk. My response followed. Problem?

CES are you an MoS alt?

...you're not that stupid. Or blind. Don't act like it.

Also, yes it does if you understand where the quote CES pulled came from and the context around it. Duh.

[TeChNoWC]

^ I really fucking don't understand.

[Voidedmafia]

1. Look here.

2. Go look back at the quote. Then look at the posts around it.

Context

.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Did you mean to link AFFC?

[seilkops]

Not what I said at all. I said that you could've seen a seil lynch as inevitable and decided to look town. Far-fetched I know but after looking at seil all game there wasn't much to go on. I was "reaction fishing" as you like to say.

Bullshit.

Vote: Greygnarl

Quote tag fixed. (Equinox)

I'm willing to lynch him for this. Anybody else want to hop on the gg wagon?

If I don't fall asleep, I'll be posting some stuff tonight.

Nice fluff posting. Do you have any reason for needing to tell us this?

So I won't be accused of lurking, so yeah there's your reason.

Tech-

Seiklops makes a good point in relation to this. If it was so obvi-town, then why did grey's 'it could be seen as scummy' comment not warrant a response from you?

funkybike explain your scumread on Voided. Also explain your townread on Seiklops; 'likely town, however' - why?

I'll give Seiklops the benefit of the doubt and 'hope' for now that his claim that he was fishing for reactions is the case, seeing as I'm liking some of his later content. I also like players who bandwagon analyse themselves; it shows they are cognitively thinking from 'I am town' perspective that not many scum do (don't think I've ever seen a scum self-bandwagon analyse).

Tech gives decent reasoning for hopping off my wagon, and when you compare that to GG's crap reasoning, it makes me less willing to vote Tech D1. I don't like his apparent confusion with

everything

though. It's a good way to buy time, and prevent people from getting reads on you.

@GG

How do you feel about the case on Tecno, and who do you think we should look at?