The incongruence that the Dolorous Edd hydra displays is quite unlike Pandora's. In fact, with the way Alek's first posts were, no, I'd say there is absolutely no sense in saying that the towntell of hydra-ness was 'burned' already by Pandora. Alek's initial posts even show that he didn't read Pandora fully (since he missed some of their Feysal points), so what makes you think that he gave such detailed thought to someone calling a towntell on it? Either way, I'm not interested in spending more time today on this slot and I'm shelving it as town. However, in the meantime:
In post 423, Lyanna Stark wrote: In post 386, Tyene Sand wrote: In post 385, Plessiezarus wrote: In post 374, Tyene Sand wrote:Aaand the major hydra dissonance just showed that Edd is (are?) town (again).
Can't say I agree with this. The hydra dissonance displayed by Pandora earlier seemed very natural; that's a town-tell, sure. But the Alek/Arthur dissonance? Meh.
Individual scumhunting from Arthur/Alek. They're likely wrong in their top scumspects, but the way their reads differ don't really speak of someone who's bothering to check with their buddy to make sure they don't mess up their reads or accidentally write themselves into a corner. I'd like them to patch it up, as with Pandora, but initially? Alek came in and threw down reads with major disregard for what Arthur had already said. Yes, this is a towntell from them.
That might be a town tell for a lot of people, and the hydra might be town. However, this is not a town tell for those two particular people. Staeg mentioned how this was already called a town tell for Pandora, so it doesn't really apply the second time.
And, well, this is Alek and Arthur, so it's not exactly a towntell
from them
Please explain this bit, little wolf.
In post 423, Lyanna Stark wrote:She's a Sand Snake from Dorne and while her house may have never bowed to the throne, it's a vastly inferior place than the north.
All bark, are you?
Pless is indeed sniping from the sidelines. I don't know if this is a typical feature of his play, but for example, calling Arthur out on hypocrisy as he does in
Post 355 is pretty pointless and reads like an unnecessary attempt to rile him up. Hypocrisy is not a scumtell.
Something else I'd like from Pless--follow-up on the reason you
asked Regfan about his townread on me.
However, with all things considered, I can sense some natural hydra interaction between them that feels like town discussing reads.
I have trouble reading StefanB. Not just this game, we've played together before, and the language barrier really gets to me. I'm hopping through two languages
and it still doesn't make sense
. (No, don't replace out, but please try to be a bit more clear, I'm not a native speaker either.) Regardless,
Post 395 comes across as really honest in a subject I'd expect him to dodge if he were scum.
Shadow1psc's jumps between happy funtimes to being apparently irate are very odd. I need to poke at this further. He sounds honest when he discusses theory, sure, but I think he'd be honest about theory regardless of alignment, so that is hardly aalignment-indicative in any manner, shape or form.
In post 452, Regfan wrote:His walls behind what he thinks is optimal town play comes across as him really believing it
See above as to why I disagree with this.
I wouldn't call Hyperion's
Post 298 a
case on BB, and I'm surprised he describes it as so. BB, you have a tendency to accumulate a few votes on the early days; how come
one
vote draws such a visceral reaction?
SnowStorm's
Post 360 comes across as very forced. It seems like he's covering his ass with that Benmage vote/townread; now he's admitting (again) that he thinks Benmage is town, and that admitting to it makes the vote lose its power--so... you were voting a townread: what was the intended 'power' about the vote that
admitting it is on a townread
makes it lose? It makes no sense, it's not even fishing for reactions or seeing who jumps on the wagon; it's literally a useless vote. What's more, here he is admitting it is a bad vote for all intents and purposes, that unvoting is boring, but chooses to leave a useless vote there when he has things like an apparent scumread on me. Makes very very little sense from town, but makes sense like scum scouting out a wagon possibility before hopping on it.
In post 423, Lyanna Stark wrote:I don't think it's inherently scummy, but when I've done it I've usually made an announcement that that is what I have done and that I will move it when I decide who it's going to go onto if I for whatever reason don't unvote (but that's usually when we're nearing deadline and I'm actively searching for someone to vote instead.) And, this is the problem I'm having is that you're not actively looking for suspects; you're not actively engaging with anyone in the game really. You picked up on the Ben issue and I have no problem with that, but that is pretty much all you have done other than discuss theory. And then you gave a few townish reads and said that there was pretty no scum reads, basically you nulled everyone. The manner in which you gave your reads was rather stilted as well. All of this made me suspicious. If it were just the vote, and you were being active in the game, I probably wouldn't have even noticed.
Exactly this, though it hurts me to admit that the wolf might have a point. He had a somewhat viable suspect elsewhere, and just sits there on that vote he called useless. It feels like he's choosing not to engage.
I expect ~things~ from redFF. I also expect to be disappointed.
Staeg, there is no reason for Starbuck to nameclaim. She claimed VT, let it lie. We don't know what powers scum might get from learning players' character names, so please,
shut up
.
In post 435, Lyanna Stark wrote:If it's a bit of nervous posturing, you might want to stop as it's not doing you any favors and is going a long way to destroy the town vibes Arthur gave your hydra.
Why would you say this...? The way you deal with Alek is weird, it comes across as "watch it, I'm getting a bit of a scumread on you", and my brain just goes and tacks "stop it before I have to bus" to the end of your sentences.
Why the kid gloves?
I'm actually quite uncomfortable and suspicious towards the way Feysal acted in
Post 448 toward me. He's the first to want to put things into context, yet the way he treated my reason for my Choosing of Lyanna at the
beginning
of the game, which was clearly explained to Benmage as part of a conversation, was as if it was something that had something to do with the
then-present
gamestate. It feels artificial and scummy.
In post 448, Feysal wrote:[Among other things, MagnaofIllusion is a townread]
for being less confrontational than I'm used to seeing him.
This is quite ridiculous, as anyone who has played with MoI-town knows he's confrontational regardless of alignment.
Quite curious as to why MoS
is
was voting and choosing me, as there is absolutely no pressure behind that. Anything you want to talk about, MoS? People have brought this up, and then you
move on to Shadow1psc without any kind of follow-up. I know town-MoS to be lazy, but I don't know him to ignore people's reads and comments about him.
In post 446, Minimum wrote:It seems like multiple players in this game are bold-facedly admitting to not reading the thread and just sheeping whatever case the first player who looks town makes (which I find not so much scummy as antitown, although my other half would disagree with me).
Uhm.
It's not actually antitown--Regfan is a better scumhunter than I am and I'm lending strength to his choices. CES could tell you this about sheeping, but
anyway
.
Amrun, thoughts on the game? If you're reading the latest string of posts and feel comfortable enough to comment on theory-points, where are
your actual reads
?
Dislike Plum so far. Her targets are all so easy.
In post 525, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Sala wrote: @MoI: Umm, no, not unfinished. I do have a certain game you should be very familiar of where I did use the list.
Why does this matter?
Because I’ve noticed a tendancy for newer / weaker scum players to try to mimic the beheaviors of stronger Town (or Town perceived) players as a manner of buddying. It usually manifests itself in undertaking behaviors they don’t normally due.
As an example –
Katsuki in Plum and Andrius’s Lord of the Rings Mafia suddenly started using “Town / Scum lists” (see Posts 121 and 188) out of the blue. He explains at 293 that it is his first time using it (and he ‘liked” it). Yet he’s never done it since. The reason why? He was wanting to subtly mimic stronger players (the DGB / Ellibereth hydra being the best example) also doing it.
I’ll have to review but I don’t recall you ever doing that on a consistent basis Day 1 in games before. It dinged my scumdar since some strong players (Benmage / Regfan) who are using lists here.
I'm going to cut you right here re: Salamence and copying behaviors/sheeping. I like your reasoning, but he actually does this kind of thing as town.
In post 503, Eddard Stark wrote:Alleras, known as The Sphinx, is a novice studying at the Citadel in Oldtown. He was nicknamed the Sphinx by Leo Tyrell. His mother is a trader and he claims to not be a noble's son. Interestingly enough, Alleras is Sarella spelled backwards. Sarella Sand is one of the Sand Snakes of Dorne, and looks
very like
Alleras. Curious!
My little sister has such interesting pastimes.
Townreads: Lyanna Stark, Regfan, Dolorous Edd, Pandora, MagnaofIllusion, Starbuck, (StefanB, Plessiezarus, BBmolla)
Scumreads: SnowStorm, Shadow1psc, redFF, (Plums Yo Mamma, Mastermind of Sin, Feysal, Minimum)
UNCHOOSE: Minimum
CHOOSE: Feysal
(It's pretty easy to guess whether this is Mina or CES based on who would be excited by this and who wouldn't be caught dead in the theatre.) So just a couple of quick points before I go:
No, it means I'll be able to read them better once there's more than meta to work with, like a lynch...
)
