NY 154: Return to Boring Town - Game Over

[havingfitz]

OK...I've skimmed through the game and looked over all the wagons and here's where I'm at:

VOTE: MOI

Why? We're in D5 and MOI is still here. Not bothered too much by his being on the Pres lynch as I know he's a busser....especially when a scum buddie's ship is sinking. And I do not see scum opting for nhammen N2 and mcqueen N4 as better NK options over MOI. And since scum's kill has gone through every night that means they haven't even bothered to take a shot at MOI if his claim is to be believed. So no shots at MOI in 4 nights...not buying it.

Of the 6 players who were on the Empking D2 wagon at it's peak (L-2); 3 are dead townies (Arugula, Toog & PM); 1 is me (town based on IAI's kill and the fact this role is a claimed Vig [1-shot vig btw]); and the remaining two are MOI and ROFL. If we are to believe MOI's push that ROLF is town based on his quickhammer without a Pres fakeclaim then that leaves MOI. And I do not see there being an L-2 wagon without scum on it. Should be noted that ROFL had no problem hopping back on the Empking wagon on D3 whereas MOI stayed away with useless votes on TF and, to motivate behavior??? on D3??, mcqueen (both VT's btw). A little VCA manipulation?

Not sure how much attention MOI paid to inte prior to voting him today so I want to look at that. None of Sal, ROFL, inte or McStab are clear IMO but after MOI I'm most interested in Sal and ROFL.

[roflcopter]

ok i think its inte and mcstab

[Salamence20]

List of NKs:

SV
NHAMMEN
TOOG
MCQUEEN.

Why Mcqueen is dead could match up with MoI's attempt to lynch.

Whos up for a McStab/MoI scumteam, with a prediction all town was on the MoI wagon?

[Salamence20]

Can someone tell me why town would have a BP over scum in a non-multiball/SK game? Ive seen it only with a 1 shot vig only. However that was a micro.

Another possibility:

Fitz is lol SK who shot MoI 3 times (1 was JKd, 1 on BP, another guessing it was 1-shot BP.

Lolno.

[Toon Fighter]

meh I can go with this wagon. been there once, but it's time to go back.

unvote, vote: MoI

[MagnaofIllusion]

A couple questions for fitz –

Why is my being alive so problematic but it’s not apparently a problem for you that both confirmed Town via Toog players and your own slot (as confirmed as you can be without Cop information) are all still alive. I’m very curious at why your reasoning is on that end.

Furthermore – so your vote-count analysis on Empking finds me problematic for being on the Empking wagon before he claimed but no on the mislynch wagon? Interesting that I’m scum for not wanting to mislynch the claimed Jailkeeper.

In the end I'm not going to spend too much time worrying about arguing with you since you are pretty likely Town but I find the selectivity and confirmation bias here pretty questionable.

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Whos up for a McStab/MoI scumteam, with a prediction all town was on the MoI wagon?

Lulz. So suddenly Rofl is Town now. How quickly the worm turns. Yes ... I'm basically calling you opportunistic scum with this Sala.

I especially like how you are constantly mentioning McStab as scum but haven’t made one move to actually vote him. Why is that?

[Salamence20]

VOTE: MOI

Theres cookies on this wagons.

An MoI bus, and not having played with scumMOI, could be why he believes ROFL is town and his push on ARU was intentional mislynching. Plus, he did seem a little too carefree when claiming BP, when pro town move would have been claiming doc and preventing lylo.

[Nocmen]

Vote Count

Salamence20 - 1( McStab)
MagnaOfIllusion -4 (Velazanth, havingfitz, ToonFighter, Salamence20)
roflcopter - 1(inte)
inte - 2(MagnaOfIllusion, roflcopter)

Not Voting - 0 ( )

8 Alive, takes 5 to Lynch

Still looking for a Velazanth replacement

[inte]

claiming doc prob would have gotten him lynched

[Salamence20]

claiming doc prob would have gotten him lynched

Wut?

[inte]

ur weird man

[inte]

he chose the right claim as scum

[inte]

if he really wanted to be heinous he could have claimed bodyguard

[inte]

rofl is the play today, not MoI

[Salamence20]

Well help me to understand why claiming doc would lead to a lynch. And why claiming BG isn't?

[inte]

we already have a JK, cop, tracker i don't think there is another powerful protective role such as a doc

i could just be sucking at setup spec though

[havingfitz]

A couple questions for fitz –

Why is my being alive so problematic but it’s not apparently a problem for you that both confirmed Town via Toog players and your own slot (as confirmed as you can be without Cop information) are all still alive. I’m very curious at why your reasoning is on that end.

Well Toog’s clears were not cleared until D3. N3 was obviously going to be the claimed cop. As for last night…I have no idea why mcqueen was the NK. Not sure why VE wasn’t killed N2 after his claim (RB?)…once again, N3 priority was the Cop. Once again…no idea why mcqueen went before VE either.

Furthermore – so your vote-count analysis on Empking finds me problematic for being on the Empking wagon before he claimed but no on the mislynch wagon? Interesting that I’m scum for not wanting to mislynch the claimed Jailkeeper.

6 votes on Empking at his wagon’s peak. You me and ROFL only ones still alive. I’m town and you make a good case for ROFL being town. That leaves you. And I assume you are savvy enough to stay off a “mislynch wagon” that is heading towards a sure lynch. You even give subtle encouragement to Mcstab and inte to hammer in post 692. Despite being so certain he was actually town.

In the end I'm not going to spend too much time worrying about arguing with you since you are pretty likely Town but I find the selectivity and confirmation bias here pretty questionable.

How can I not be selective when selecting my scum suspect? And no confirmation bias. I didn’t suspect you before I started my read/VCA.

[Salamence20]

No.

VOTE: McQueen

ONLY MCQUEEN REFERENCE PAST DAY 1 LULZ

[inte]

your point about staying off the mislynch wagon was my main suspicion for MoI

now, its the blatant mud flinging at an easy target

[havingfitz]

your point about staying off the mislynch wagon was my main suspicion for MoI

now, its the blatant mud flinging at an easy target

You saying you're an easy target?

[havingfitz]

ur acting like being confirmed town makes your any smarter

^inte...please explain the comment above.

[inte]

ur acting like being confirmed town makes your any smarter

^inte...please explain the comment above.

if they're not scumhunting or even trying before, really how much can you expect from conf-town afterwards?

[havingfitz]

Some of the wagons throughout the game that are of interest to me:

D1

Pres

scum lynch:

IaI

,

mcqueen

,

nhammen

,

Viscera

, Sal,Magna,

Arugula

,

Shattered View

, ROFL

Still alive and off the scum lynch: inte and McStab (though Mcstab’s slot did not participate D1)

D1/N1 thoughts - With the negative attention

Pres

was getting I do not think it is unreasonable to think there other bussers besides

IaI

on the scum lynch.

IaI

was the first vote on the wagon and basically rode it through to the end. Themselves other potential bussers (Sal,Magna and ROFL) would have been more committed to their bus as when they placed their votes there was a very good chance it was going to result in a lynch. Between the ROFL hammer and the

Pres

vote on ROFL to end their participation…I’m hesitant to vote ROFL. Double bussing seems a bit much.

Question to all….do you think we are more or less likely to have scum daytalk in this game? I’m of the opinion “scum have daytalk”. This would boost the chances of ~both remaining scum being on the D1 wagon.

Not sure where the

Shattered View

kill came from. My guess is the mafia goon (

IaI

) probably submitted the kill so the fact Magna was jk’d is null.

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D2 Sal at its peak (L-2):

Viscera

,

Arugula

, McStab,

TFighter

,

PMyst

,

mcqueen

D2

Empking

at its peak (L-2):
ROFL,Magna,

Viscera

,

PMyst

,

Sal

,

Arugula

,

Toog

D2 ROFL at its peak (L-3):

Empking

,

Velaz

, inte,Sal,

Velaz

,

Toog

D2

TFighter

wagon at its peak (L-4):

nhammen

, Magna,

Arugula

, Sal

D2

PMyst

Lynch wagon:
McStab,

TFighter

,

mcqueen

,

Sal

,

Toog

,

Sal

,

Velaz

, Sal,

Arugula

, ROFL

D2/N2 thoughts –Based on the Sal and McStab interactions I would say they are definitely not scum together. I think the

Empking

wagon before he claimed jailkeeper is key. The only two players still alive on it when it was at it’s maxare ROFL and Magna. I’m leaning very slightly against ROFL being scum so that only leaves Magna. Similar to his comments that the D3

Empking

wagon was most likely not all town….I doubt the D2 pre-claim peak wagon was not all town. One or both of ROFL and Magna are scum. (leaning Magna)

If Sal IS town…McStab could be scum (or town). But I think scum is likely to be on any wagons that have any substance…especially those that do not reach a lynch. If ROFL is town,inte or Sal are potential scum…..but I do not think either one of them works especially well with Magnascum.

D2 TFighter wagon points towards Magna…

D2

PMyst

lynch points to McStab,Sal and ROFL. I think there is at least one scum in this group. Only two not ~confirmed off this wagon are Magna and inte and they do not look like a good combo.

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D3

Empking

Lynch:
ROFL,

Velaz

,

Toog

,

TFighter

,

Viscera

,

Arugula

, Salamence,

mcqueen

.

D3/N3 thoughts:

I’m not sold on there being scum on this lynch.

Empking

had claimed so IMO scum would be even keener to stay off the mislynch. If scum is on the lynch I think it’s Sal or ROFL but not both. I think there is a good chance that ~both remaining scum tried to avoid this wagon. As I mention in an earlier post I think Magna’s subtle prodding to inte and Mcstab to hammer

Empking

when he had made sure to express his certainty that

Empking

was town seems a bit contradictory. If the read was town…why not try to prevent a hammer from happening and getting people to go for someone else. Instead…Magna puts a lone harmless pressure vote on mcqueen. As for the NK…that was a no brainer to get rid of the cop.

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D4

Arugula

Lynch wagon:
ROFL,Salamence,inte,

Velaz

,

TFighter

, Magna.

D4/N4 thoughts:

Four of the five people in the scum pool were on this mislynch. Magna dropped the hammer. Not sure how much reference magna had made towards Arugula before the hammer. The NK makes absolutely no sense. Point of interest….Sal and ROFL are the only two players left who have been on every lynch. McStab and inte have each only been on one lynch.

Tl:dr

Still liking a Magna lynch. I need to look McStab over more closely. If Magna is scum I think McStab could be worth a closer look.

[Salamence20]

Boring town is boring on the weekends.

[McStab]

blatant prod dodge post coming soon