Open 448: Diffusion of Power (Game Over! Scum Win)

[Paschendale]

@ Pasch, you didn't answer my question - you seem to be suspecting TAM yet your initial vote is on me. Why the dissonance between your vote and your suspicions? For "joining a wagon I didn't buy?" I never said I don't buy the TAM wagon. I am going to

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Vote: Paschendale

Eh, I don't really buy it. Let's lynch him anyways.

Unvote

VOTE: The Acting Method

You have some alternate explanation for this?

Dissonance, you say? You do understand that time passes, right? You looked suspicious THEN. He looks suspicious NOW. How is that complicated?

[Eidolon]

TAM, no one ever said anything about policy lynching you.

That being said, i think TAM is town. I think Pasch is town. I think TheReverend is town. I'm not as sure about RC or Doublej, but i'm thinking that for the most part, scum haven't made their presence yet.

[rapidcanyon]

@ Eidosmartscum, how is his reaction "okay?"

there wasn't anything particularly bad about it.

usually i feel slight apprehensive about people using "LOL" as a reaction, as it seems a bit nervous, but in this case, it

was

kind of funny that i talked about him avoiding the thread, only to have him post a huge wall a minute later.

when i played with him as scum, he was much more defensive, which i didn't see here.

Eh, I don't really buy it. Let's lynch him anyways.

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VOTE: The Acting Method

Mod Edit: Fixed vote tag and removed unneeded second post

My don't buy was in reference to Eido saying that his reaction was okay.

[rapidcanyon]

Pasch is scum.

[Eidolon]

Pasch is scum.

No. No he's not.

[Paschendale]

TAM, no one ever said anything about policy lynching you.

That being said, i think TAM is town. I think Pasch is town. I think TheReverend is town. I'm not as sure about RC or Doublej, but i'm thinking that for the most part,

scum haven't made their presence yet

.

As I said earlier, there's several voices who have yet to speak up. I agree that we shouldn't jump to conclusions.

Pasch is scum.

You've gone after me half-cocked in every game we've played. And you've been wrong in all of them. We're on page 3. Relax.

[Venrob]

Back, also:

NIGHT 0 COP HERE, GUILTY ON MYSELF

...
Wait, wut?

jk

@mod: read my signature for times i will be online.

[Venrob]

frick

@mod fix bold tag on last post?

Fixed.

[rapidcanyon]

*sigh*

Okay, fine. Eidolon will probably flip out at me if I push anyone she doesn't think is mafia. I am trying to not be stubborn about it.

Unvote

Let's wait for the others to post and we'll go from there.

[Eidolon]

*sigh*

Okay, fine. Eidolon will probably flip out at me if I push anyone she doesn't think is mafia. I am trying to not be stubborn about it.

Unvote

Let's wait for the others to post and we'll go from there.

Wow. you gave in easy. why do you care if i "flip out" on you? Trying to lay low this game? go after whoever you want, he's not scum though.

[rapidcanyon]

I just want to go with the flow rather than create a scene. Why do you think he is town?

[Jackal711]

Azusa Nakano

has not yet read their role PM. I will seek replacement if they have not confirmed within the next 24 hours.

And that time is up. I am now seeking a replacement.

[Code_X]

I just want to go with the flow rather than create a scene.

I don't like people who want to blend in and not create a scene.
Creating scenes are good.
VOTE: Rapidcanyon

[rapidcanyon]

I disagree. It turned out badly for me in two different games.

[rapidcanyon]

Code_X, why is good to create a scene?

[Code_X]

Why isn't it?

What do you think would happen if we all wanted to go with the flow?

Also, have you got a link to those games.

[rapidcanyon]

Just realized they are ongoing. So, I'll answer theoretically. Let's say player X is town doesn't believe player Y is mafia and defends player Y to the death, and also let's say player Y is in fact mafia, that would make player X look really suspicious. So, even if he doesn't think that player is mafia, still a better shot to go with what the others want and blend in.

Another example, if Player X is town and wants to lynch a certain player but that player is also town, and player X is wrong and the rest of the town don't buy his case, that will just lead to massive frustration.

[Code_X]

I understand that to an extent but on the other side of the coin how else are we going to motivate discussion and find the bad guys if we all sit back and try and blend in?

Plus in the second example town lynching town happens pretty often. It can be frustrating but at the same time we can then go back and look at interactions. I bet you if you looked through 50 or so old games, a fair few people who try to blend in and avoid getting in fights, raising suspicion, going with the flow etc are mafia.

[rapidcanyon]

I am not saying that we should all blend in. Some players are better suited to lead the town based on their skill. Also, it would be interesting to note who would post the most analysis and try to persuade others to vote for their scumreads.

In any case, here is the reason I think Pasch is scum:

Let's look at 23. He attacks TAM, yet votes for me for "wagon hopping" and "joining a wagon I don't buy". However, the second part is not even true. I never said I don't buy TAM's wagon. I said that I don't buy that his response necessarily means town like Eido did. Coming to "wagon hopping", why is there scum motivation behind this? I initially voted FourTrouble (random) and then voted TAM (semi-random). Would Pasch have me stick my vote on my RVS target the whole day?

[triangle123]

1. What time zone are you in?
2. How often do you expect to be on and posting?
3. How many games have you played in?
4. What is your opinion on Lynch all Lurkers/Liars?
5. What side do you prefer playing as?

EST, and about once a day. The other three questions will only generate noise.

Eh, I don't really buy it. Let's lynch him anyways.

What about his reaction didn't you like? That post felt forced to me. If I wasn't already voting for him, this is where I would.

Though I'm shocked that so many of you basically went "Let's lynch him without giving him a chance to respond." That's not good play gents... And risky too.

What do you think about the people on your wagon?

Paschendale's vote on rapidcanyon after his attack on TAM feels off to me, and his unvote later on feels scummy as well. Why unvote because it seems like no one believes in the wagons anymore? UNVOTE: VOTE: Paschendale

TAM's response to the wagon is somewhat of an overreaction, but he seems frustrated with Reverend rather than like scum floundering at the sight of a wagon, so I don't have a read on him based on that.

Let's take a quick look at our lurkers, shall we?

Not posting in half a day does not a lurker make.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Code, are you RVSing again? lol

I'll give my 2 cents in just a bit. Gotta teach drum lessons

[TheReverend]

UNVOTE: TAM

VOTE: eidolon

[Paschendale]

Let's take a quick look at our lurkers, shall we?

Not posting in half a day does not a lurker make.

How about not posting at all?

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Hi all,

Okay a few General Housekeeping questions I like to ask:
1. What time zone are you in?
2. How often do you expect to be on and posting?
3. How many games have you played in?
4. What is your opinion on Lynch all Lurkers/Liars?
5. What side do you prefer playing as?

Pacific,
I'm posting through phone and iPod (no cpu right now) so I'm not the most active by any means but I'll try to give some good inputs when possible and when I'm not working.
Been playing plenty of in person and other forum games (smaller forum). This is my 3rd MS game
Not to keen on lynching the lurkers, and I haven't dealt with the "lynching a liar" situation so i wouldn't know.
I'm impartial as to which side I prefer. I just play to win for whichever side I'm on.

Hi all.

1. What time zone are you in? - GMT though work nights so I tend to post at random times during the day/night.
2. How often do you expect to be on and posting? - Hopefully daily in the week. Weekends less likely. I have a life after all ... "just"
3. How many games have you played in? - I don't count perhaps 20 under this name, 20 under another. I'm still not very good though.
4. What is your opinion on Lynch all Lurkers/Liars? - Liars needs lynching. Lurkers - need prodding to post but sometimes things come up so lurking isn't a tell either way unless you know someone is a lot more active as town and lurks as scum.
5. What side do you prefer playing as? - Town

VOTE: Triangle

Code is town. Even though this is a partial RV I assume. Triangle was a werewolf in the last game I played with Code and Triangle, I see this as a baited vote / skeptic vote.

UNVOTE:

Touche DJD, Still sometimes those are started and scum hopes to get out of it... I do agree at the oddity of Pasch's actions.

However, Where's Krazy Eye Killa? Not going to bother about someone who didn't read their role pm yet.

VOTE: KrazyEyeKilla7
Thoughts please.

Pasch, I don't believe these wagons were or are RVS, and I most certainly think scum is on them if you haven't noticed.

I was one of the first people to confirm my role.

Thirdly,

Obvious misread here. Read the OP, read the post I quoted, KrazyEyeKilla is confirmed.

Also the thoughts was to him. To make this clear...

MY vote right now is being used to get someone to talk... It's not risky to VOTE someone... It's risky to Policy lynch bandwagon them. There's a difference.

And My specific objection was that it essentially (my wagon at least) was a policy lynch bandwagon.

noted.

[Jackal711]

Psyche

replaces Azusa Nakano effective immediately