A Dance with Dragons Mafia: A New Dawn!

[Timeater]

I don't actually like Timeaters 'explanation' of why he insta-claimed his role, comes across as forced still and the link to the thread of him saying 'town should be see-through and genuine' doesn't really explain his moves if he's claiming that he didn't' realize he was being voted or wagoned at the time. Really comes across as him trying to force-through a town-tell rather than anything else. Not just that though but in Post 2612 I mentioned that Scumhunter had claimed their role-name and then in Post 2618 he insinuates he doesn't know that his role name has been claimed, then in Post 2621 he goes 'oh fuck my role name has already been claimed which doesn't match in order of thought process. Either 1) He didn't read my initial post carefully and skimmed past the fact that Jaime was already claimed which is scummy given that there was only two lines in my post directed towards him or 2) He knew that Scumhunter had claimed Jaime from reading my post or even beforehand making the following 'ace up my sleeves' completley fabricated. In 1) it's not just that he didn't read my post properly but instead of going 'ace up my sleeve' 'im jaime booyah' he goes 'ace up my sleeve' 'oh names already claimed' which means instead of just posting it instantly he actually went back and looked through Scumhunters ISO which I can't understand the motivation behind as town at all.

i noticed it i just didnt care really or give much thought to it

dont have time to explain shit, also there isnt much here to explain really

bitch please you know how hard i towntell and just because you think its forced doesnt mean it is

i didnt insinuate anything i just didnt realize it because i didnt read your post that carefully and it only dawned on me when that you did mention it when i was getting all excited about claiming jaime

1. i havent had time to ISO ANYONE OR ANYTHING
2. ive only read this game uptil the page ive replaced to
3. i havent even really read the subsequent pages
4. realize im playing like a bitch here and there is a time issue but i WILL eventually get around to reading this game its just alot of work for me and i havent been able to do it yet
5. i dont give a shit about what my predecessors did, im the slot now and you have my word i will contribute to this game in my way, i just cannot do it right now im sorry i know its shitty but that wagon on me and those votes on me i cant do anything of substance until i get around to reading the game SORRY

[Timeater]

unvote

faraday why isnt my vote cleared ya turd

[Eddard Stark]

Day 4, Votecount 16

Thor665 (2) - 4nxi3ty, Minimum
Timeater (5) - Magua, Feysal, kortul, Regfan, Lyanna Stark

Feysal (7) - Plums Yo Mamma, BBmolla, Pandora, Zdenek, AurorosVox, Benmage, Thor665

Mastermind of Sin (1) - Tyene Sand

Not Voting (2):

Shinori, Timeater

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline

: 9th October at 19:30pm Ireland time. (GMT+1)

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2012-10-09 14:30:47)
kortul is V/la

[Zdenek]

Okay so reviewing Feysal's play here, it doesn't actually look all that different from his play in AFFC. The only thing that stands out is posting rate.

Now I have to go check out a scum game of his.

In Chronotirgger, Feysal's posting rate was even lower than it is here. He starts off being confused by a flash wagon and not really sold on any of the current suspects. He gave out a town read on Tierce. He gave out scum reads on Spyrex, Staeg and Elmo. He switched his vote to Shadow Dancer. Then Drey. Without commenting I think on Shadowdancer/his replacement. He calls Spyrex scum again. He votes Elmo. I think without mentioning Spyrex. The rest of the game seemed to be mostly about setup spec/role interactions.

One difference is that it seems like he only posted when he was caught up, rather than while he was trying to catch up. He also didn't have any solid suspects during the game. On the other hand I believe that was the main reason that Spyrex was suspicious of him, and it's an easy thing to correct for (and, for instance, ending up being overly focussed on one person).

All this considered, I don't think that the meta on Feysal is relevant to his alignment.

So the bottom line is that he's playing like scum, so we should lynch him.

[Thor665]

@Zdenek - this is how your last post reads to me;

I did research on Feysal's scum meta.
It doesn't match his play here.
I would like to lynch him here.
Therefore I'll say the meta doesn't matter because he could have changed it.

Unvote: Feysal
Vote: Zdenek

[Zdenek]

@Zdenek - this is how your last post reads to me;

I did research on Feysal's scum meta.
It doesn't match his play here.
I would like to lynch him here.
Therefore I'll say the meta doesn't matter because he could have changed it.

Try:
I did research on Feysal's town and scum meta.

There's a difference, namely a lack of strong reads when he plays as scum that he got heat for as scum.

It's something he'll probably want to deal with by making sure that he has strong reads when he plays as scum.

In this game he's been strongly focussed on a single player. This matches more with his town play than with his scum play, but it could be him over-compensating for something he was caught for in a previous game.

So his meta doesn't matter.

[Zdenek]

I did research on Feysal's scum meta.
It doesn't match his play here.
I would like to lynch him here.
Therefore I'll say the meta doesn't matter because he could have changed it.

Explain what you think is the scum motivation behind this.

[Thor665]

Pushing through the Feysal lynch - derp.

I'm calling him obv. town as of now - you may react accordingly.

[Zdenek]

Pushing through the Feysal lynch - derp.

I'm calling him obv. town as of now - you may react accordingly.

Why is wanting to push through the Feysal lynch scummy?

[Thor665]

I see him as obv. town - that seems self explanatory at that stage.
You are pushing the wagon.
You are doing so with questionable logic.
QED

[Zdenek]

Fair enough.

Vote: Feysal

Let's speed lynch him too, just for yucks.

@Zdenek - this is how your last post reads to me;

I did research on Feysal's scum meta.
It doesn't match his play here.
I would like to lynch him here.
Therefore I'll say the meta doesn't matter because he could have changed it.

Unvote: Feysal
Vote: Zdenek

Pushing through the Feysal lynch - derp.

I'm calling him obv. town as of now - you may react accordingly.

I see him as obv. town - that seems self explanatory at that stage.
You are pushing the wagon.
You are doing so with questionable logic.
QED

You voted Feysal, said nothing about him, attacked me when I tried to figure out if the meta arguments regarding Feysal made sense or not, said that now Feysal is obv. town, and conclude by acting as though you saw him as obv. town before I tried to work out if the meta arguments made sense.

Vote Thor

[Thor665]

Yeah, Zdenek's scum - vote is perma locked.
Everyone can sheep me now.

[Timeater]

Going to say that Zdenek is the winner of that exchange

Vote: Thor

Pedit: thor trying to throw weight around that isnt there, shifty as fuck

[Thor665]

You have just confirmed you're denser than a doorknob - sadly you're still town.
And Zdenek didn't even come close to winning anything, as every player with half a brain will soon confirm for you - his "case" is Swiss cheese and desperation, and mine is blatantly pro town.

[Timeater]

Nice ad hominem, madscum

Anything real to contribute or no

You voted Feysal, said nothing about him, attacked me when I tried to figure out if the meta arguments regarding Feysal made sense or not, said that now Feysal is obv. town, and conclude by acting as though you saw him as obv. town before I tried to work out if the meta arguments made sense.

^^^ thats real talk

[Thor665]

Yes, my brilliant plan of ad homing you while calling you town, I am a clever bastich whose deviltry knows no bounds.

If you consider Zdenek's commentary awesome and pro-town then you will never see me be awesome and pro-town in this or any other game (because even as scum I'm better than that).

[Zdenek]

If you want to see faulty logic check out Thor's:

He disagrees with my interpretation of Feysal's meta, I guess, because he doesn't argue that I'm wrong. The post where he votes me is essentially just rhetoric. He explains that he thinks that I'm scum for trying to push the Feysal lynch, and that now, Feysal is obv. town. Then he says that he thought Feysal was obv. town, a lie, and that he sees me as scum trying to push that lynch through with questionable logic. Exactly what he thought is questionable is completely unclear and if it's the meta business, then I'd say that Thor is an idiot if he thinks people as scum don't try to correct their meta after they're caught for something.

[Timeater]

uhh i do that shit all the time as maf its pretty common, also i like to play down what im doing by blatantly saying it in a humorous manner to distance myself from my own scummy actions also pretty common

dude your tone right now isnt town doesnt take a genius to see it. also lol @ your assertion that somehow i am forever a horrible player because i quoted and agreed with something reasonable zdenek said I am somehow a horrible mafia player 4eva because of it. also notice how you arent actually attacking his words you're just lashing out blindly. lol too bad this isnt a training lobby game otherwise that might've worked

dang thor you've gotten pretty sloppy

[Timeater]

above post was directed @ thor

[Timeater]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4386661
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4386671
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4386678

damage control

[Lyanna Stark]

This current argument is stupid. The only thing that makes sense is that Thor is reaction testing of some sort.

Zedenek's town, and it makes no scum sense for him to analyze the defense of a player whose wagon he was already on. He, as scum, didn't even need to be as thorough as he was. He could have just responded that feysal didn't fit his town meta like a lot of us have already talked about and called it a day. In fact several of us played together in GvE with feysal and have used that as a context for his meta. He's not even the main one pushing this wagon. I don't see how scum!zdenek would talk about how his scum meta is different but come to the conclusion that it ultimately can't be used in his defense in hie eyes. Scum use meta to exploit people and would be less likely to talk about the differences no matter what the conclusion is.

Also, calling feysal obvtownn from that is silly. Maybe if this weren't multiball you could make that assertion but not here.

Tim - you don't have to read the whole game, but feysal is the main wagon being pushed by plums yo mama, a new set of eyes on that might be nice. Also in feysal you'll see the main case against your slot.

[Benmage]

Still like a Feysal lynch.

Blanking on my Jal(now thor) read... think I went back and forth... (need to read more obv)

[Benmage]

I think timeeater is town too.

[Timeater]

This current argument is stupid. The only thing that makes sense is that Thor is reaction testing of some sort.

Zedenek's town, and it makes no scum sense for him to analyze the defense of a player whose wagon he was already on. He, as scum, didn't even need to be as thorough as he was. He could have just responded that feysal didn't fit his town meta like a lot of us have already talked about and called it a day. In fact several of us played together in GvE with feysal and have used that as a context for his meta. He's not even the main one pushing this wagon. I don't see how scum!zdenek would talk about how his scum meta is different but come to the conclusion that it ultimately can't be used in his defense in hie eyes. Scum use meta to exploit people and would be less likely to talk about the differences no matter what the conclusion is.

Also, calling feysal obvtownn from that is silly. Maybe if this weren't multiball you could make that assertion but not here.

Tim - you don't have to read the whole game, but feysal is the main wagon being pushed by plums yo mama, a new set of eyes on that might be nice. Also in feysal you'll see the main case against your slot.

Thor is reaction testing? Thats all you have to say? Really?

Really now.

[Lyanna Stark]

preeeettttyyyy sure that's not all I said, but sure.