A Dance with Dragons Mafia: A New Dawn!

[Timeater]

Tammy can I get your reads real quick since you're on

No walls please a list will do

[Timeater]

Scratch everything I just said I did not realize he just replaced in, LOL

I need to read the game yea.

unvote

[Eddard Stark]

Day 4, Votecount 17

Thor665 (3) - 4nxi3ty, Minimum, Zdenek

Timeater (5) - Magua, Feysal, kortul, Regfan, Lyanna Stark

Feysal (5) - Plums Yo Mamma, BBmolla, Pandora, AurorosVox, Benmage

Mastermind of Sin (1) - Tyene Sand
Zdenek (1) - Thor665

Not Voting (2):

Shinori, Timeater

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline

: 9th October at 19:30pm Ireland time. (GMT+1)

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2012-10-09 14:30:47)
kortul is V/la

[Minimum]

Thor is being really obvious, damn.

Let's not waste any more time and string him up.

[Timeater]

Erm well Jal seemed pretty town at first glance...

[Lyanna Stark]

I don't do lists silly and my reads are absolute shit this game.

I have people I feel really good about (Regfan, Pandora, BBMolla, Zdenek) then people I feel relatively good about to varying degrees (Magua, Minimum, Tyene, Plum and Benmage).

Mockingjaye who is now Anxiety has some good points against them but on a gut level doesn't feel right for scum (Regfan disagrees, he's one of his top scum reads.)

I had a slight leaning scum read on Jal who became Pine but is now Thor - reserving judgment to see where he's going with this little escapade.

MoS who is now Avox replaced out under eh circumstances, he's kind of a null right now so we'll see what Avox brings.

You, I'm not sure about. I was leaning town at first on your first predecessor before she started lurking out pressure, then scumhunter replaced in and started acting similar to how he did in the game we just finished when he was scum, so start town telling? You seem kinda townish right now though.

Feysal has some really good points against him, and much of his play doesn't sit well, so it's the lynch I'll be joining again when I leave your wagon, unless someone makes a really good case.

Sure I'm missing someone and that's loads unhelpful because my reads suck.

[Thor665]

Exactly what he thought is questionable is completely unclear

Completely unclear?
What did you think 2704 was?

This current argument is stupid. The only thing that makes sense is that Thor is reaction testing of some sort.

I am not.
Vote accordingly.

Thor is being really obvious, damn.

Let's not waste any more time and string him up.

Indeed.

You should probably explain exactly how I'm being "obvious" to help sell everyone on that plan.

Sure I'm missing someone and that's loads unhelpful because my reads suck.

This is like the fourth time I've read this from you and I've been in the game...two days? One and a half?

Why shouldn't we be lynching you after Zdenek? Is this a Mina alt? Because that's the only thing that springs to mind, and

[Thor665]

and you haven't screamed yet, so...

[Zdenek]

The only thing that makes sense is that Thor is reaction testing of some sort.

No. He's scum. Vote him.

What did you think 2704 was?

Bullshit rhetoric.

[Thor665]

But, in addition to that, that I also was hiding my reasons for thinking you were scummy...even though I stated them when I voted?

[Zdenek]

But, in addition to that, that I also was hiding my reasons for thinking you were scummy...even though I stated them when I voted?

What is this nonsense?

Here's you:

@Zdenek - this is how your last post reads to me;

I did research on Feysal's scum meta.
It doesn't match his play here.
I would like to lynch him here.
Therefore I'll say the meta doesn't matter because he could have changed it.

Unvote: Feysal
Vote: Zdenek

Pushing through the Feysal lynch - derp.

I'm calling him obv. town as of now - you may react accordingly.

I see him as obv. town - that seems self explanatory at that stage.
You are pushing the wagon.
You are doing so with questionable logic.
QED

[Thor665]

Yes, that look sfunctional to me - where do you fail to see me saying why I have issue with you? Because I see me saying it in all three posts.

[Zdenek]

The first post is a blatant misrepresentation of why I think Feysal's the meta arguments about Feysal aren't strong. Namely the fact that he was caught as scum for main thing that I see as a difference, not having strong suspects, it's an easy thing to account for, and in attempting to account for it, he could have over done his attack on the Timeater slot. Are you trying to argue that people don't try to adjust their scum play when they're caught for something?

In the second post you appear to have decided that Feysal is obv. town because I've been pushing his lynch.

In the third post you act as though you thought Feysal was obv. town before and that you're read on him is one of the reasons that you think I am scummy.

It's bullshit.

[Lyanna Stark]

Sure I'm missing someone and that's loads unhelpful because my reads suck.

This is like the fourth time I've read this from you and I've been in the game...two days? One and a half?

Why shouldn't we be lynching you after Zdenek? Is this a Mina alt? Because that's the only thing that springs to mind, and

Silly rabbit. This is stupid.

1. We're not lynching Zdnenek, he's town.
2. We're not lynching me after, I'm town.

You'll have to try to get through all the people who have townreads on us both to get to the lynching part. Coming in on day 4 and trying to bully isn't going to get that *shrug*. But, you are better than this, even as scum I know you're better than this. You played loads better when you replaced into Experimental. You're ridiculous if you think scum talk about how their reads suck, or if I would as scum. I'd totally have some scum reads, especially to avoid your type of tripe, coming up with fake reasons why people are scum is easy and easier in multiball.

And, no I'm not a Mina alt, I'm a Tammy alt. Minimum is part Mina. And, I'm not screaming, because why would I? And I took a solemn oath to not scream this game.

[Minimum]

Vote the scumbag, Lyanna.

[Thor665]

it's an easy thing to account for, and in attempting to account for it, he could have over done his attack on the Timeater slot. Are you trying to argue that people don't try to adjust their scum play when they're caught for something?

Yeah, but you actually say you see this as in line with his town meta.
And then kept pushing him with that as the excuse.
After looking at one scum game.
It all feels quite fake and the logic doesn't follow through.

In the second post you appear to have decided that Feysal is obv. town because I've been pushing his lynch.

Actually I did it from your reaction to his meta, but, yes, my belief of your alignment colored my belief of his and vice versa. It's very Catch-22

In the third post you act as though you thought Feysal was obv. town before and that you're read on him is one of the reasons that you think I am scummy.

Isn't this just a repeat of your issues with post 2?
And I don't see how I'm claiming I thought he was town prior to that exchange, what am I missing there?

1. We're not lynching Zdnenek, he's town.
2. We're not lynching me after, I'm town.

1. Why is he town?
2. Hurm.

You'll have to try to get through all the people who have townreads on us both to get to the lynching part. Coming in on day 4 and trying to bully isn't going to get that *shrug*. But, you are better than this, even as scum I know you're better than this. You played loads better when you replaced into Experimental.

Yes...and?

You're ridiculous if you think scum talk about how their reads suck, or if I would as scum. I'd totally have some scum reads, especially to avoid your type of tripe, coming up with fake reasons why people are scum is easy and easier in multiball.[

Ah, so it's silly to think of it as a scumtell...so it's a town tell?
That's at least as silly as my stance, maybe sillier considering.
The scumvandtage would be avoiding taking stances, also known as fencesitting - which is widely accepted as a decent play for scum to make, especially if they can make it look less scummy by coming at it sideways to fool people. So, yeah, I think it's a fair call to make - why am I wrong?

[Thor665]

Vote the scumbag, Lyanna.

You dodged my earlier question.
Why am I such an obv. scumbag?
I would expect Mina to want to scream that one from the heavens to prove how clever she is, so...?

[Timeater]

Why exactly were people voting Jal

Whats the case

[Timeater]

should say are*

[Thor665]

Jal was me, right?
There probably was no case. So...


@Lyanna - went back and looked at Experimental. I was scum, so you saying I'm playing differently now hardly fills me with terror.

[Lyanna Stark]

In the second post you appear to have decided that Feysal is obv. town because I've been pushing his lynch.

Actually I did it from your reaction to his meta, but, yes, my belief of your alignment colored my belief of his and vice versa. It's very Catch-22

This is dumb. You're a better player than this. (Especially considering this is multiball)

1. We're not lynching Zdnenek, he's town.
2. We're not lynching me after, I'm town.

1. Why is he town?
2. Hurm.

1. Read his iso.
2. Hurm...read my iso.

You'll have to try to get through all the people who have townreads on us both to get to the lynching part. Coming in on day 4 and trying to bully isn't going to get that *shrug*. But, you are better than this, even as scum I know you're better than this. You played loads better when you replaced into Experimental.

Yes...and?

And, you're lacking here.

You're ridiculous if you think scum talk about how their reads suck, or if I would as scum. I'd totally have some scum reads, especially to avoid your type of tripe, coming up with fake reasons why people are scum is easy and easier in multiball.[

Ah, so it's silly to think of it as a scumtell...so it's a town tell?
That's at least as silly as my stance, maybe sillier considering.
The scumvandtage would be avoiding taking stances, also known as fencesitting - which is widely accepted as a decent play for scum to make, especially if they can make it look less scummy by coming at it sideways to fool people. So, yeah, I think it's a fair call to make - why am I wrong?[/quote]

No this is silly. Making up reasons why people are scum is easy. Just because someone is having a bad game at reading people as scum doesn't mean that they are scum. Read my iso, if you're town and are interested in real reads, then come back and we'll talk.

p-edit: Didn't say you were playing differently but nice way to change what I said. I said I know you can play better, even as scum. You can look up and read the original...it's not that far away.

Tags fixed

[Lyanna Stark]

Ned

Promise me you'll fix my quote tags in 2745

[Thor665]

1. Read his iso.
2. Hurm...read my iso.

You can't sum up why he's so obvious town in two sentences or so?
I mean, obvious town to the point it's cRaZy that Thor is attacking him?

Also, if this is multiball, it doesn't matter except insomuch as I might be wrong on Feysal - but you still lynch the scummier looker of the pair first; even in multiball.

[Lyanna Stark]

Nope! Not gonna. Iso him. I'm not here to tell you why someone is town that you haven't bothered to read. Do the work yourself. You have a ScUm read on him, it shouldn't be that difficult for you. You should even want more ~reasons~ than the drivel you spouted so far.

Okay, I'll bite, what about Zdenek is more ScUmMy looking than Feysal?

[Zdenek]

Yeah, but you actually say you see this as in line with his town meta.
And then kept pushing him with that as the excuse.
After looking at one scum game.
It all feels quite fake and the logic doesn't follow through.

Yes. It does. Regfan fan made a meta defense of Feysal. I decided to check to see if it held water. I don't think that Regfan's defense does. I found another difference, and decided that it didn't matter.

Actually I did it from your reaction to his meta, but, yes, my belief of your alignment colored my belief of his and vice versa. It's very Catch-22

Scum posting.

Why exactly were people voting Jal

Whats the case

Well Thor is obviously scum.

Jal attacked a lot of people, but didn't seem to maintain too many clear scum reads at least near the end of her time in the thread, which makes it hard for me to get a handle on her. She continued to attack both Snowstorm and D. Edd after they were essentially cleared, which reads to me as unnatural and possibly contrived, but not obviously scummy.