Abarat: Days of Magic, Nights of War Mafia (Endgame)
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There's no way I'd be able to win it. Not after I'm a replacement to three people and a night team that was near decimated by day 3. I didn't expect to get this far.
Besides, winning it that way wouldn't really be winning it at all. It's not really a fair way to win it and I wouldn't be able to count it as a win even if I did some how get it. Winning when all sides don't have the equal chance of winning isn't winning, it's default.
I'd rather not. Town deserves this.
VOTE: Flash-
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VC 53 (Session 7, VC 4)
(3)Flash:Minimum, Shmugen, Tammy(Tammy)[Lynch!]
(1)Bella:Flash(Minimum)
(1)Tammy:Bella
(0)Not Voting:(Minimum, Shmugen, Tammy)
With 5 votes in play, it takes 3 to secure a lynch.
"Don’t buy a dozen eggs if you just want a hardboiled egg. Don’t buy a head of lettuce if you just want a salad. Don’t buy eggs and lettuce if you want egg salad because those are not the right ingredients." -Julius Bloop-
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Flash - Rojo Pixler, the Grand Architect (Commexoaligned Murderer-Spy), unmade in the Seventh Session.
Tammy - Admiral Bloat, Captain of the Wormwood (Nightaligned Factional Enabler turned Goon), commited suicide in the Seventh Recess.
Minimum - Finneagan Hob, the Dragon Slayer (Dayaligned Dragon Vigilante), survived and won the game in the Seventh Recess.
Shmugen - Malingo (Dayaligned Channeled Bulletproof/Reflector), survived and won the game in the Seventh Recess.
Bella - Two-Toed Tom (Dayaligned Citizen), retroactively killed and made aNeutral Survivorfor discussing ongoing games.
The forces ofDayhave won the game."Don’t buy a dozen eggs if you just want a hardboiled egg. Don’t buy a head of lettuce if you just want a salad. Don’t buy eggs and lettuce if you want egg salad because those are not the right ingredients." -Julius Bloop-
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Town PRs:
Spoiler: Candy Quackenbush and Princess Boa, the Two In One
Spoiler: John Mischief, the Key Thief
Spoiler: Samuel Klepp, the Almenak Editor
Spoiler: Malingo, the Geshrat
Spoiler: Mrs. Scattamun, the Freak Show Host
Spoiler: Mr. Scattamun, the Freak Show Organizer
Spoiler: Filth, the Munkee
Spoiler: Diamanda, Sister of the Fantomaya
Spoiler: Letheo, the Beast Boy
Spoiler: Finneagan Hob, the Dragon Slayer
Citizen PMs:
Spoiler: Mespa, Sister of the Fantomaya
Spoiler: Legitamte Eddie, the Actor
Spoiler: Clyde, the Playwright
Spoiler: Two-Toed Tom, the Sailor from Spake
Spoiler: Melissa Quackenbush, the Dreamer
Spoiler: Galatea, the Cabin Girl
Night PMs.
Spoiler: Methis, the Zethekaratchia
Spoiler: Otto Houlihan, The Criss-Cross Man
Spoiler: Admiral Bloat, Captain of the Wormwood
Spoiler: Nythaganius Pejorius, the Ourobourous
Spoiler: Leeman Vol, the Insect Speaker
The Book of the Dead. These were the fakeclaims for the Night team. They all received a PM with the Book of the Dead fakeclaims. Note that the 3 Citizen PMs were RANDOMLY chosen out of the list of all of the citizen PMs. Deaux-Deaux was there because I was worried I was crafting PRs too close too flavor and that every PR claim could be guaranteed true. The numbers were such that they could mason fakeclaim or just have someone fakeclaim one of the two as Citizen. This was one of the few ways Gamma could actually catch scum. (The scum were warned that "The fact that these fakeclaims exist as full PMs may have in-game consequences.".)
Spoiler: Elathuria, the Plant-Woman (Mason Fakeclaim)
Spoiler: Numa Child, the Fathathai (Mason Fakeclaim)
Spoiler: Deaux-Deaux, the Sea-Skipper (Assistor Fakeclaim)
Spoiler: Henry Murkitt (Citizen Fakeclaim)
Spoiler: King Claus of Day (Citizen Fakeclaim)
Spoiler: Jimothi Tarrie, the Tarrie-Cat General (Citizen Fakeclaim)
And, of course, Mr. Pixler.
Spoiler: Rojo Pixler, the Grand ArchitectLast edited by hitogoroshi on Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:49 am, edited 2 times in total."Don’t buy a dozen eggs if you just want a hardboiled egg. Don’t buy a head of lettuce if you just want a salad. Don’t buy eggs and lettuce if you want egg salad because those are not the right ingredients." -Julius Bloop-
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And, before I unlock the thread and let you kids go to town, I'm grabbing first word to debrief...
Well, the end of the game there was a nightmare. First off, I need to sincerely apologize to Flash. I had ended up not posting a VC in this game for over a week because there were no votes, not a problem itself but then deadline was very close. Without really considering the situation, I just threw on a day because I was tired and felt guilty. It was absolutely sloppy modding, and while Flash's gambit was a "Hail Merry" (chamber's spelling, not mine ), he had every right to have it play out as planned. It especially sucks because a bad design decision (not giving Shmugen the endgame clause the Abarat 1 BP had) also made Shmugen confirmed town which hurt Flash even more.
Bella's ongoing games violation actually happened about a week and a half ago. Basically, she just made a throwaway comment to chamber in scumchat about "congratulations on your impending victory" because she figured her RedCoyote hammer had thrown it for town. Since no information really changed hands, this actually didn't affect the gamestate, which is why you heard nothing about it. Asked a mod or two and it was agreed to just keep it mum until the endgame. The modkill is just because, well,don't talk about ongoing goddamn games- but Izzy's actions didn't influence gamestate.
Tammy, I just need to say: remember this rule?
Play to your win condition: I want you all to have fun, but you must always be trying to secure a win for your faction. Failure to do so might get you banned from all mafia games on-site, not just this one. Getting modkilled will turn you to a dead neutral survivor, so incurring a modkill is always playing against your factions wincon. Do not test my patience on this issue; I have none.
I'm sorry, but the one thing you really cannot say is "I don't want to win like this". You need to scratch and claw for any chance to win because that's how the setups are balanced and without that it falls down. Forcing town into being kingmaker between you and the sk has a non-zero chance of giving you a pity win, what you did had no chance. In the end, no punishment, if only because kingmaker is vile poison that I did my very best to keep out of the setup and still failed. But you did have a chance and you didn't pursue it and in almost any other situation it would have violated my play to wincon rule, especially in multiball where it took away Flash's chance to win because instead of throwing around the title of kingmaker until one person can't get rid of it, you just choose to become kingmaker before you had to.
MoI, your gambit was atrocious, and it is single-handedly going to make me write a more expansive anti-grudge rule for future games. There's a reason literally everyone is telling you it was bad, and that's because it was bad. You had every chance to recant and never did, and town suffered for it. You lied, and got caught lying, and everything was terrible. Not to mention all of the bad setup speculation town had to deal with with things like the Third Session event. Please, take your lumps, accept you made a mistake, andapologizeto the town. They deserve it.
Don't think anyone likes games ending like this, but well, it's what it is. I think I'm gonna avoid anything more than 2 faction in the future. I'm taking a break from modding for a while (aside from my other currently running game).
Is that everything? Hmm. Well I wanted to talk a lot about the setup and the design, but I don't have it in me now. I guess ask me about specific bits and I can answer them, maybe a bigger one later.
So here's postgame chat open, don't be a dick, and hopefully the brand of "hito game" still means something..."Don’t buy a dozen eggs if you just want a hardboiled egg. Don’t buy a head of lettuce if you just want a salad. Don’t buy eggs and lettuce if you want egg salad because those are not the right ingredients." -Julius Bloop-
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Hinduragi Jack of All Trades
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Bella Goon
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I agree with Hindu. My modkill was entirely my own fault, and I'm glad Hito handled it in such a way that it didn't affect the outcome of the game for the innocent.ShowChloroform girl, how have you been?
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It's been three years since you've seen the sunlight
But I know you're having fun
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Tierce Cache Me If You Can
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Shmugen Mafia Scum
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Yeahhh so I imploded upon myself after which shinori did the same, but more literally, after which everything came down for Night, crashing and burning
GGWP to most players of Day, I guess Flash didn't do badly as commexo at all (even though I hate him by default for drawing a SK role, but that's another discussion), well played to the replacements of Night that tried to get something done (Tierce fucked up the claim - she should've claimed Numa Child instead, and Tammy did surprisingly well), hito's modding was excellent up till the last day, but even that is not irrideemable.sa vrede?-
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Nuwen Mafia Scum
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MoI blacklisted. Simple as that.
Thanks for the amazing setup and flavor, Hito. Easily some of the best cutscenery and character inclusion on the site so far, plus a lot of good mechanical experimentation that will probably be recycled into more awesome games. <3So high, so low, so many things to know.
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In post 2187, Nuwen wrote:MoI blacklisted. Simple as that.
Thanks for the amazing setup and flavor, Hito. Easily some of the best cutscenery and character inclusion on the site so far, plus a lot of good mechanical experimentation that will probably be recycled into more awesome games. <3
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I did consider my win-con though. I never stopped considering it. I won't apologize for not wanting to win like that. We were both scum caught. If it had been a situation where one of us hadn't outed ourselves then maybe, but we would have gone into a situation where two scum who were caught would have won over town for sure. That just doesn't feel right to me.Winter is Coming
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Tammy Survivor
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Staeg Mafia Scum
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In post 2191, Tammy wrote:I mean I'm really sorry to night for fucking up though.
shut up, you were night's MVP this gamesa vrede?-
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Oh yeh, I'm super happy of how Gamma used his role. The funny thing is it technically seems to have next to no power, since it detects scum fakeclaims as normal PMs, but I figured it was an interesting twist on investigation and Gamma really did work with it. Of all of the weird roles and mechanics I put in I'm happiest with how Gamma used his.
I don't know who I'd call town MVP in general, it's been so long I've forgotten how people's reads have went. But gamma is role MVP. Also teamwork props to AGar and SoO for getting a successful double roleblock off, although I think you two could have done more to covertly try to reach each other."Don’t buy a dozen eggs if you just want a hardboiled egg. Don’t buy a head of lettuce if you just want a salad. Don’t buy eggs and lettuce if you want egg salad because those are not the right ingredients." -Julius Bloop-
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In post 2189, Lyanna Stark wrote:I did consider my win-con though. I never stopped considering it. I won't apologize for not wanting to win like that. We were both scum caught. If it had been a situation where one of us hadn't outed ourselves then maybe, but we would have gone into a situation where two scum who were caught would have won over town for sure. That just doesn't feel right to me.
Its the nature of three party games that eventually, the town may not have all the power while the game is still running. I'm not actually all that bitter about this but your sense of right and wrong is borked.Taking a break from the site.-
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damn you tierce
damn youuuuuuuu
but uh yeah the kingmaker situation was regrettable and it's partially my fault for not claiming that whoever killed me would get all my results. I tried to play around it by only investigating scum roles and people who had already claimed but not claiming that part of my role almost gave flash the win at the end there. tammy did pretty decent to think of the setup rule as to why flash would have that information I think.
was really hoping day 4 that someone would step up and tell me what they thought of reads and everything but dismissing that reck would push MoI's results as fake to try and avoid an early lynch on a scumbuddy or whyever else he might have done it was dumb of me and I was on completely the wrong track with Schmugen.
flavor was super awesome and I think the setup was fairly swingy and it swung a bit towards scum here with the hider and tracker dying n1 but I don't think it unfairly favored one side or the other.
post-edit: wait uh kinda disagree with role mvp and totally think that should go to AGar here since me not claiming the passive was bad for reasons above.-
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Staeg Mafia Scum
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I dunno. I agree that you should've claimed it, but this reminds me that Flash should've been a bit more... creative when they claimed scum. They claimed the bare minimum of what they could - why not add some tasty stuff on top, like another 1 or 2 fakeclaims, a factional ability or perhaps another "informed" modifier for themselves or the like?sa vrede?-
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