NY 159: RUST game over

[drmyshotgun]

You think WIFOM is your ally?
You merely adopted WIFOM.
I was born in it (see my username) moulded by it.
I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING!

So quit blinding us and do us a favor. Disappear.

[malpascp]

Tell me what part doesn't make sense.

[malpascp]

So you think I would fakeclaim miller when someone already had, and then WIFOM my way around it, but trying to clear the guy that claimed miller (btw he is fucking cleared). Seems legit.

[Rob14]

There is still a point that he may have fakeclaimed miller without knowing there was an actual miller in the game and also you hadn't read the thread, meaning you fakeclaiming it there would also have no knowledge another miller existed.
Neither of you are cleared at the present time and neither of you will be cleared when/if the other flips.

This would be true if I as scum was stupid enough to fakeclaim miller without reading the thread. I'll reread so we can disscuss stuff that really matters.

WIFOM alert!

[4nxi3ty]

AngryPidgeon

(2) - zabriel, curiouskarmadog

zabriel

(3)

- ProHawk, roflcopter, Darthe

Rob13

(1) - PeregrineV

DemonCore

(2) - BloodCovenant, Rob13

malpascp

(2) - Cheery Dog, drmyshotgun

Darthe

(1) - AngryPidgeon

Not Voting

(6) - malpascp, Josh Lyman, PMysterious, scooby, Tazaro, DemonCore

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2012-10-23 15:08:03)

[Tazaro]

@Ansar, don't worry too much. You might be eligible to get Josh Lyman's spot.
i think malpascp = a town person.

[Rob14]

i think malpascp = a town person.

Rationale please.

[AngryPidgeon]

This needs like way more votes

[BloodCovenent]

This needs like way more votes

unvote:
vote: Darthe

[Rob14]

This needs like way more votes

Want to hear Darthe respond before considering voting for him, but for the time being:

You...are attempting to sway us with the subconscious reasoning of free association.

LOL

Also, he consistently argues against CKD, never Zab, but his vote has been on Zab the entire time. Which leads me to think...

[Tazaro]

@Rob: TWO people claimed miller right off the bat--if we put a question mark on malpascp's alignment, it is still not questionable that malpascp had already seen BloodCovenant's claim. Given that the resulting WIFOM, from two millers, effectively neutralizes the stigma of their claims in and of themselves as PeregrineV correctly noticed, then malpascp's claim should not be seen as a gambit that gives him a potential benefit as scum. Thus malpascp has no reason to claim miller as scum, given his miller claim after BloodCovenant's is, by the WIFOM's neutralization, tantamount to claiming Vanilla.

In fact, IF malpascp is scum, the only attempted benefit of his miller claim that is see is -> neutralizing the negative stigma of BLOODCOVENANT's claim, which makes sense if malpascp wants to protect a scum buddy in BloodCovenant.

@drmyshotty, If we lynch one of them first, though, it should be malpascp, for the information that malpascp's flip would give to incriminate BC, in my view.

[Tazaro]

In fact, IF malpascp is scum, the only attempted benefit of his miller claim that is see is -> neutralizing the negative stigma of BLOODCOVENANT's claim, which makes sense if malpascp wants to protect a scum buddy in BloodCovenant.

And if this IS a reason for scum malpascp to rationalize a claim of miller, I don't think it's terribly likely.

[Tazaro]

@drmyshotty, If we lynch one of them first, though, it should be malpascp, for the information that malpascp's flip would give to incriminate BC, in my view.

I mean information that a malpascp scum flip would give. If malpascp is scum, BC should get heat, in my view, but if BC flips scum, that doesn't tell us anything about malpascp.

[AngryPidgeon]

[Tazaro]

That's why I didn't explain it before. It's kind of hard to diagram with verbiage.

[Rob14]

Hi there. Hungover.
Claim: miller.

will read later today, and I guess RVS is already over.

I believe that effectively invalidates what you've stated. If he didn't read the thread, his potential motivations for claiming miller are identical to those if just one miller claims. No "WIFOM-neutralization" as you put it.

As far as your theory of "WIFOM-neutralization", that's WIFOM in itself. Two millers claiming in-thread creates the same issues as if one miller claims in-thread. You can argue two are unlikely so if one is town the other is scum and vice versa, but that is not 100% true. There have been games with two millers. If we take that line of thought, we could end up two days in with two mislynches and four town dead (assuming only one night-kill each night) The potential disadvantages of taking a gamble based only on their claims and mislynching both far outweighs any advantages. We have to evaluate play, not strictly claims.

Your posts are weird. You say malpa-scum is not likely to be scum at all because of your "WIFOM-neutralization" nonsense, but then you say we should lynch him over BC if we go with a miller. Wait, what? That makes little sense. Lynching someone you think is likely town to gain info about someone you think is null or scum doesn't make sense. Just lynch the null-scum.

[Tazaro]

I don't think BC is null-scum, though.
I can see that my thinking is not air tight about this muddled stuff, but in principle, I would rather lynch one miller to benefit informationally than to lynch one, and then may have to lynch the other because of uncertainty.

[Cheery Dog]

There's going to be uncertainty anyway, that's what this game does for us

[Tazaro]

As for my inkling about BC's alignment, BC's play somehow doesn't seem to feel much like a real deviation from his "meta" here when I played with him: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=14705

[BloodCovenent]

@Mod. /LA until probably sunday night/monday morning. got a busy weekend ahead

[malpascp]

Finally someone got it. Thanks Taz.

This needs like way more votes

Been kinda distracted, so I don't get it.

[Rob14]

Hey, taking a page out of rofl's playbook is my play not yours!

But seriously, are you scum?

Guarantee you I am. Now ISO CKD/Dcore together and tell me that isn't the obvious team.

Derp, well that was guarantee you I am [town]. Weee, incoming Freudian slip cases.

That's the context to the last two posts in that ISO. He attempted to turn a typo into a case. Check AP's ISO for why he thinks that's super-scummy. It was in there somewhere.

[Rob14]

That was directed at mal's post, by the way. Forgot to quote him.

[4nxi3ty]

@Mod. /LA until probably sunday night/monday morning. got a busy weekend ahead

noted.

replacing Josh Lyman.

prodding scooby and DemonCore(in about 2 hours from now).

[curiouskarmadog]

mod going out of town, will be back Sun at one point, will post then.