A Dance with Dragons Mafia: A New Dawn!

[AurorusVox]

Vote: Sapororerint

At page 3, that's the best read I have so far on someone who's still alive.

[Regfan]

Vote: Sapororerint

At page 3, that's the best read I have so far

on someone who's still alive.

This screams as you attempting to dumb-tell. I don't buy that you'd not know who is and isn't still alive given there's a vote count every page, sometimes even two and a lot of the discussion so far has been based about interactions with that slot.

[AurorusVox]

????

I'm reading the RVS at the start of the game, I don't know out of all those people who's died and who's been replaced.

[Thor665]

It's called Post 0 - it helps with that problem.

[AurorusVox]

Yes. Which I consulted when I got a read on a player from RVS.
If they're dead there's not much point saying what I think their alignment is, is there?
Hence, that's the best read I got on a player who's still alive.

[Regfan]

Sapor is dead, you can stop attempting to play dumb now. Not just that though but Sapor didn't play until late in the game meaning you'd have to have checked to find out that Sapor = Salam and therefore would have at the same time seen the slot is dead.

[Thor665]

And Sapo is listed in the dead list, so...

[AurorusVox]

Actually I saw it here:

Dramatis personæ (Playerlist)

(28 players)

Salamence20

23) Sapororerint (Iecerint/Saporovirus)

But I realise now that's just the list of all the players.
I was looking at the spoilered Alive list at first but I must've looked at the wrong one that time.

[Thor665]

I'll withdraw any defense of AV now - I don't want to be associated.

[AurorusVox]

D:

[Regfan]

If you looked at that you'd have seen

everyones

name and thereby would have easily worked out that's not the alive/dead list.

[AurorusVox]

Vote: Regfan

What benefit do I get out of lying about this?

[Regfan]

I'm clear and that's been brought up a bunch of times in the last 2-3 pages and given that you've read Tierces posts where she comments towards you then it means you're reading at least part of the posts put forward so voting me just continues this 'playing dumb' charade of yours and what you gain is simple, dumb-telling is done for the purpose of having people town-read you based on it, it's a very common scum strategy.

[AurorusVox]

Why aren't you voting me with both your votes if the

only reasonable explanation

is that I'm concocting some grand masterplan in which I pick a name at random from the list of players, and claim that I read them as scum from their posting on page 3?

What tangible benefit do I achieve by not just doing the same on the spoilered alive list?

Because according to the dead list, Sapo died before I even joined the game, so the ONLY place I could have gotten his name was Post #0. Why would I PURPOSEFULLY OPT to pick from the big old list, rather than the living list?

Explain how you're clear then, because all I see is a cheeky Feysal giving you his vote, and Tammy clearing you based on a name claim?

[AurorusVox]

And no, I'm not dumb, and I've never tried to look dumb.
Dumb players are not always town, so take that bullshit away.

[Regfan]

I'm not voting you yet because I want to solidify my reads elsewhere given that it's likely I die tonight and want to deal with mass-claim needed things.

The benefit you get is simple; dumb-tells are generally read as town and given that there's a wagon on you and a lot of people stating willingness to vote you you're essentially forced to do something desperate and force-dumb-telling fits that exactly. And the 'why would i pick someone alive rather than dead11' is simple, voting someone alive is dumb-telling at all nor will it change how anythings going which means that voting someone alive would likely secure the lynch on you, doing something else drastic gives you the chance of otherwise occurring.

And Tammy clearing me on a name claim? That hasn't happened. I have however been cop-cleared.

[AurorusVox]

Um. You said Tyrene cleared you. I ISO control+F'd and saw her saying something to do with claiming Cersei clearing you because Faraday respects source flavour.

[Regfan]

And no, I'm not dumb, and I've never tried to look dumb.

Dumb players are not always town, so take that bullshit away.

Voting a player that's dead when the dead/alive list clearly shows who's alive and there's a vote count showing who's alive

every single page

and then stating 'woops mixed it up with the op where everyones names listed and no one is dead!' and then proceeding to vote me after there's been a lot of discussion about how I'm clear

is acting dumb

. And it's not dumb players = town. It's dumb tells. There's a difference. An example would be someone stating "Scum don't have daytalk!!" in a game where there's daytalk listed in the OP.

4nxiety cleared me. He used his 1-shot investigation on me and recieved Cersei Lannister. Tammy has nothing to do with it and my "Tierce mentioned X/Y" has to do with the fact that you

have

been reading at least part of the thread and the things that you're pretending you don't know are things you would have to know even with the little you're claiming to have read which is why it's all you force-dumb-telling.

[Tyene Sand]

You are anything but dumb, AV. You may have your moments of slippage here and there, but someone who makes the rolecop a subtle sign like you did as town in Chain of Command, someone who

deliberately fails to use the right role name in Chain of Command

as well

to make sure he won't be killed by the scum hunting that role

, this person doesn't do this. It's D5. You have been half-following the game since you joined. But you are claiming that:

Dramatis personæ (Playerlist)

(28 players)

1) Minimum (Mina/CES)

2) Lyanna Stark (Tammy)

Mockingjaye

3) 4nxi3ty

4) Dolorous Edd (Ser Arthur Dayne/bodean44)

5) Staeg

6) Tyene Sand (Tierce)

Petyr Baelish

7) kortul

Hyperion

8) Shinori

9) MagnaofIllusion

10) Plum's Yo Mamma

redFF

11) DCLXVI

hasdgfas

Albert B. Rampage

12) Magua

13) Shadow1psc

14) Regfan

pappums rat

Amrun

Seraphim

15) Zdenek

sword of omens

16) greenknight

17) Bvoigt

18) Benmage

Mastermind of Sin

19) AurorusVox

20) Plessiezarus (Zar/Plessiez)

21) Feysal

22) Pandora (Hydra)

Salamence20

23) Sapororerint (Iecerint/Saporovirus)

Starbuck

Scumhunter

24) Timeater

25) BBmolla

26) SnowStorm

Jal

Pine

27) Thor665

28) StefanB

looks like a reasonable amount of living players for DAY FIVE?

Are you fucking kidding me? This is clearly playing dumb.

I am going to check one thing really quick here re: AV and see if it applies. But good grief, dude, this is BLATANT.

[Tyene Sand]

Okay, checked. So there is ONE thing going against this 'dumb-tell', and it is that AurorusVox's own games don't have a 'playerlist' of all the players in the game, just the living and the dead.

But honestly, I am still not buying it. AV can be very subtle and careful as town, this is just blatant heavy-handed fakeness when it has been made perfectly clear who is and who isn't alive at this stage. The only players I could buy a doubt from would be Benmage/Tammy due to their kills last night, but even that would be somewhat sketchy.

[AurorusVox]

I fake nothing.
"This is me, yo. Right here."

I done fucked up, I'll admit that, BUT I have never ever ever ever faked dumbtell as scum and I WOULD never try to use it because I AM NOT A DUMB PLAYER SO IT WOULDN'T JIVE AT ALL.

It's obviously a fucking mistake on my part.

NOT having read the game properly and wanting to get a decent vote out nice and lickityspick and seeing OBVSCUM in RVS and gleefully checking the list too quickly and derping all over the show.

RAGE

UNVOTE

[AurorusVox]

Can I also point out the living and dead lists don't have replacements on it, so I obviously HAD to check the big list first, and then for some reason failed to cross reference? MAYBE BECAUSE I WAS SO OVERJOYED AT FINDING SCUM AND THINKING I COULD BE FUCKING USEFUL IN THIS GAME?

[Tyene Sand]

Okay. AV. Tell me how it makes sense. You were reading up to page 3, thought Salamence20 was scum, went to look him up in the alive/dead lists. He's not there, so he is in another list. He is listed as a player who has been replaced in the full playerlist... and you don't go back to check what happened to the replacement?

Can I also point out the living and dead lists don't have replacements on it, so I obviously HAD to check the big list first, and then for some reason failed to cross reference? MAYBE BECAUSE I WAS SO OVERJOYED AT FINDING SCUM AND THINKING I COULD BE FUCKING USEFUL IN THIS GAME?

You saw the big list first for his name...

Actually I saw it here:

Dramatis personæ (Playerlist)

(28 players)

Salamence20

23) Sapororerint (Iecerint/Saporovirus)

But I realise now that's just the list of all the players.
I was looking at the spoilered Alive list at first but I must've looked at the wrong one that time.

...you KNEW there were spoilered Dead/Alive lists, and yet completely missed that Saporerint's name is in the dead list? What?

What you are claiming is that you were aware of a dead/alive list, knew that the replacements are NOT listed in that one, go see who replaced Salamence20, and yet still didn't go back to look through living/dead lists to see IF THE PERSON YOU SUSPECT IS ALIVE.

This is bullshit. This doesn't make any chronological sense, and I think you are caught.

[AurorusVox]

Here's a timeline.

I get reads on players (e.g. MoI) and I check to see if they're dead. So far so good.
I get a read on Shamrock, and find that he's not in the dead or alive list. Then I see he's replaced by Timeater.
I get a read on Salamence, I look to see if he's been replaced first - and fail to cross reference. I don't know why. I just did. I derp'd plain and simple. I'm not saying I thought he was still alive. I'm saying I derp'd and didn't cross reference properly in my excitement.

[kortul]

Here's a timeline.

I get reads on players (e.g. MoI) and I check to see if they're dead. So far so good.

Since you joined on page 103, you had to look up MoI in a dead list most likely because you don't remember him posting, right?

I get a read on Shamrock, and find that he's not in the dead or alive list. Then I see he's replaced by Timeater.

Guess, you remember Timeater posting recently, so you didn't have to check his name second time in a dead list.

I get a read on Salamence, I look to see if he's been replaced first - and fail to cross reference. I don't know why. I just did. I derp'd plain and simple. I'm not saying I thought he was still alive. I'm saying I derp'd and didn't cross reference properly in my excitement.

Ok, you checked previous players in a dead list, but didn't check Saporeint. Do you remember any posts from him, or references, or anything at all? 2 game days and 20+ pages without seeing someone, and you didn't even stop before posting? I can understand not reading 100 pages, but not following the game at all?

Also, even if you derped at crosschecking him,

you wanted to be useful

- why did you think that something happening on page 3 wasn't addressed already? Sala had 2 posts in the first three pages... You "ISO control+F'd" Tyene to check something about Regfan, why didn't you do the same about Sapo?