NY 159: RUST game over

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Taz you are jumpier than a frog in a fire. And your votes make no sense. Why the pressure to lynch an uncc'd cop? Why the pressure for me to insta-hammer with a week left? You, sir, deserve a big fat FoS

why are you still trying to draw out a counterclaim?

[Darthe]

I don't want one. The claim, while semi-suspect, gives him a day or two IMO. No sense in trying to speed lynch someone who has that claim though.

[Rob14]

I don't want one. The claim, while semi-suspect, gives him a day or two IMO. No sense in trying to speed lynch someone who has that claim though.

If we leave him alive, this is what will happen.

He'll come back with a "guilty" on Day 2. It will be on someone who is a moderate-strong town read.

One of three things will happen.

1: No one believes him and he's lynched. If we aren't going to believe him, though, we might as well lynch him now.

2: He's identified an actual scum. We lynch the scum. A sizable amount of people view DC as confirmed cop when in reality he's scum that just gave up another scum in order to coast to LyLo. Scum wins a huge advantage because our confirmed cop is actually scum.

3: He's identified a town member. We lynch the town member. This confirms DC-Scum, but now we've wasted a lynch on a strong town read, making scum's job a lot easier. We also won't learn all that much from it because the lynch of the town member and the subsequent lynch of DC would most likely be quick, leaving little time for scum to slip up and show themselves.

I'm throwing this prediction on the table now, and I think it will hold true in Day 2 if he is still alive. I really hope he isn't.

[Darthe]

If it is number one then it doesn't matter what day it is and we gain more info today because he is dead anyhow.

If it is number two then the real cop reveals. Two scum down in a stupid ass gambit? Yes please.

If it is number three we still get a mafia and he dies regardless. Last I checked this is a numbers game. He has to get at least three people killed to be equivalent and four to do well assuming 4 mafiaz in a 16 player game. So..? Not seeing your point here.

[ProHawk]

Completely agree with Darthe's reasoning. There is no reason to risk killing the claimed cop when there is a chance he is not lying.

[Rob14]

For #1: Why let him dominate discussion for another day or live to potentially use detrimental night actions if he's ObvScum?

For #2: You assume we have a cop, that there is only one cop, and that it is beneficial for him to reveal. All could be false.

For #3: Wrong, wrong, wrong. Each day equals more than one kill. Every day that we don't lynch scum, we lose multiple lives. One from the false lynch, one (or even more!) from night kills. Allowing multiple town to be killed from a scum gambit that shouldn't even be allowed to occur is a stupid idea, to be blunt. Why have multiple dead town when we could have one dead scum in the first place?

P-edit: There is always a chance that a claimed person is not lying. All we can do is go by the evidence we have and their posting history. Everything points to DC being scum.

[Darthe]

we have other, less risky scum leads. You're fear mongering acting like we are going to kill a townie if we do not lynch him today. Why so eager to lynch a cop claim? Also someone is dying tonight regardless (excluding doc protection) so that is entirely invalid.

[curiouskarmadog]

DC claimed cop....I dont believe it.

I will take the hammer.

unvote, vote DC

so now that you are dead....DC, were you really a cop?

[Rob14]

So you're saying that right now, anyone in this game could claim cop and would be immune from the Day 1 lynch? Cop claims are common from scum because they have exactly this effect...

[njoseph]

DC claimed cop....I dont believe it.

I will take the hammer.

unvote, vote DC

so now that you are dead....DC, were you really a cop?

Not hammer. Not dead.

[Tazaro]

Oops
@ 532: Not hammer. Not dead.

[curiouskarmadog]

DC claimed cop....I dont believe it.

I will take the hammer.

unvote, vote DC

so now that you are dead....DC, were you really a cop?

Not hammer. Not dead.

who the fuck are you..

and why would it be protown to fucking say this?

[Rob14]

We're at L-1 now. Tazaro unvoted then revoted.

[curiouskarmadog]

I know that fuckfaces...my vote was already on him....god dammit.

same goes to you Rob...why was it protown to point this out?

[Tazaro]

It sounded like you thought you were hammering when you actually weren't.
Don't see what the problem is with correcting your thought.

[Rob14]

I know that fuckfaces...my vote was already on him....god dammit.

same goes to you Rob...why was it protown to point this out?

We're at L-2, then.

Thought it was an honest mistake at first, not a gambit, but I wasn't going to point it out at first because DC could have revealed. Then Random McFuckFace showed up, so I thought the whole operation was kind of blown wide open anyway. There was no longer any reason to not point out the mistake (which I thought it was).

Seriously though, who are you njoseph and why did you just give away a gambit in a game you're not in? Where's the banhammer again?

[curiouskarmadog]

It sounded like you thought you were hammering when you actually weren't.
Don't see what the problem is with correcting your thought.

well maybe on the off shot, DC, who might or might not have been paying close attention to the game, might (as scum) said he "wasnt really a cop, but he had to try" or something the like. who the fuck knows...

and why do you care if I thought I was hammering?...

good job pointing out something out, you get a cookie.


or were you afraid that DC WOULD SAY something like that?

[Tazaro]

I know that fuckfaces...my vote was already on him....god dammit.

same goes to you Rob...why was it protown to point this out?

We're at L-2, then.

Thought it was an honest mistake at first, not a gambit, but I wasn't going to point it out at first because DC could have revealed. Then Random McFuckFace showed up, so I thought the whole operation was kind of blown wide open anyway. There was no longer any reason to not point out the mistake (which I thought it was).

Seriously though, who are you njoseph and why did you just give away a gambit in a game you're not in? Where's the banhammer again?

njoseph is my alt.
I thought it was a mistake.
ARGH

[curiouskarmadog]

good use of McFuckFace...going to use that for now on.

well I tried.

there was no reason to correct me, it was pretty obvious (if you are following the game) my vote was already there.

I was just trying something to get some sort of reaction that indicated if he is scum to make this decision easier.

[curiouskarmadog]

who cares if it was a mistake?

[Tazaro]

who cares if it was a mistake?

People point out mistakes. It's not unusual.

[curiouskarmadog]

who cares if it was a mistake?

People point out mistakes. It's not unusual.

either you are a bad player who doesnt see opportunity in confusion...or you are scum, trying to stop your scum buddy from saying something stupid.

[Tazaro]

Oh, hush you.

[curiouskarmadog]

if you are town,

in the future, if you see someone making a "mistake"..especially someone who have been playing over 5 years, before you jump in to express how on top of the game you are, take a moment, and see what happens. do you see the value of what I trying to do, be it a small chance, was still a chance?

[roflcopter]

god can we just fucking finish lynching dc already?