Ok so I forgot to subscribe to this game. Anyway let the recap commence:
In post 10, Acosmist wrote:I have to skip the random nonsense stage of my posting (inb4 Yates says "The entire game?") in order to claim:
I am Solid Snake. If you target me, you will die. This is seriously a claim of my actual role. I am a paranoid gun owner. However, my role does not make it clear whether you will die immediately. It
is
clear that
you will die if you target me
.
Do you have any reason to assume the person who targets you wouldn't die immediately? I'm just interested in why you would mention it.
In any case since you have claimed this much would you mind giving your flavour.
In post 18, Kublai Khan wrote:In general town are more likely to be ignorant of flavor than scum. Scum are more careful in knowing everything before playing.
This is a good point. I doubt scum wouldn't be aware of the fact it is a crossover game - even just based on the simple fact that they would know more roles in the game (aka their buddies roles).
Edit: basically what kk said in 29.
In post 22, BloodCovenent wrote:would it make more sense to lynch Acosmist relatively soon (before lets say... day 3), than leave him alive being unconfirmed?
serious discussion time folks.
Treat it like a miller claim. Ignore it for the most part and decide whether to lynch him or not based on his play. /discussion
Edit: so basically what kk said in 44. I like the way kk thinks.
In post 24, Nero Cain wrote:Though I guess its possible for him to be scum and fake a town tell/go for an easy lynch.
I don't buy this. It's such a slight tell I doubt scum would even think town would pick up on it as a town tell, unless you get a scum to say it but then it becomes a very messy gambit that could easily backfire if one dies later.
It's over when I say it's over!!!!
In post 41, Benmage wrote:I think I'd rather do a MOD meta of Pappums... I'm not sure I'm sold on the idea of a PGO. AND SOLID SNAKE????? Dudes the muthafuckin l33t assassin.... PGO??? PGO??? You're looking at a JoaT, strongarm vig... Something like that, but PGO....... doubting it tbh.
In post 42, BloodCovenent wrote:you're right. if you've played any MGS games, you'd know snake keeps his cool and isn't a bitch.
Lets keep the fail-assumptions-based-on-flavour-and-outguessing-the-mod to a minimum, please.
Edit: fuck me, Kk's done it again (44). I might as well stop talking now because KK has undoubtedly said everything I want to say already.
In post 49, AurorusVox wrote:I think it's much
more
concerning that he'd ever think scum would fakeclaim Solid Snake in a Harry Potter themed game in the first place.
Reads to me like he's faking not knowing flavour.
I think it's more likely that he is acting opportunistically as scum, and genuinely didn't know about the mgs crossover than faking it tbh. And I think
that
is very unlikely.
Well there are two schools of thought.
a) the safe method - basically what you did, claim first post day 1
b) the risky (kinda dumb) method - play really town/claim another power role but try to ensure you aren't doc protected to try and draw a scum nk
edit: benmage expands on these ideas in 63.
(I'm proving rather useless aren't I?)
In post 64, Benmage wrote:unvote vote I Am Innocent
3 really weak questions. Bad vote. Reads as scum trying to interject themselves into the game and put the spotlight elsewhere.
Not a bad shout.
This seems keen.
But this seems even more keen. BC's posts are rubbing me the wrong way.
In post 91, Yates wrote:Nothing. BUT - best case scenario you know you are signing up to be killed in LYLO. Also, as others have pointed out, if you play scummy the Town has no reason to wait until LYLO. So you basically paint a target on your back and have everyone paying attention to every one of your posts looking for reasons to get rid of you so you have to play Townie McTownerson. As scum, this is a pretty big gamble. Plus, Acosmist claimed right out of the shoot so he also risked the "real PGO" counter claiming. I realize PGO doesn't occur with that much regularity, but it happens enough that it was a risk. These are just some of the reasons I believe his claim.
Also, playing over the top obv Town as PGO could lead to death of a Doctor or BG or Cop or Investigator or... I don't know if historically it plays out this way but I suspect that non-claiming PGO's likely kill more Town than Scum by not claiming specifically because I think there are more chances of Town visiting you than scum. But that's just a guess. I would personally claim in my first post if I were PGO.
This is all good, reasonable stuff. To the town pile with you Yates!
that being said Benmage's 92 makes a good point about the "next evolution of the fakeclaim opening Miller claim". There certainly are benefits for scum to claim pgo (other than the obvious avoidance of town prs, you would also be able to avoid a nk from any opposing scumteam), and if Acosmist is in fact lying scum then I will definitely be tipping my hat to him in post game.
In post 98, Kublai Khan wrote:
It's more than flavor fishing. The VT PM is in the OP. He's PR-fishing.
Unvote
Vote: Yates
I guess it could be at a stretch but I don't read it that way. I didn't even realise the vt role was in the first post till I went back and looked.
In post 117, Cybertronix wrote:This is my first large theme game, but I have to agree that speculating on PRs and alignment this early is dangerous. Wouldn't this type of discussion be more suited for D2?
Any discussion that pushes the game forward is good discussion.
There's no point holding back points to be made and setting arbitrary times in which to talk about them.
I don't like posts where people unvote and then don't revote someone else. Especially when his second line expresses suspicion of someone else. Why not just vote yates? An unused vote is a useless vote.
Edit: been beaten to the punch again. This time by tammy in 129.
On that subject - good first post by tammy. Welcome to the town pile.
In post 125, Yates wrote:
Ok. This is a mostly fair point though I think my point above remains true. If you are a VT and your name is Voldemort, then what Jason was speculating would make sense. Conversely, if you are VT Uncle Vernon Dursley it makes no sense to make this speculation. That's all I meant by flavor matching the role. Anyway, I didn't want him to tell me any of that I just wanted to know why he didn't do this.
I accept this explanation.
In post 127, Cybertronix wrote: In post 122, Benmage wrote:@Cyber - Speculating on PRs.. really never good. Just a lot of discussion surrounding the outted PGO Acos. Speculating on alignment...?? Welcome to mafia?
Sorry I meant the alignment based on the name, ie Solid Snake must be Town because he's a "good guy" in the videogame.
Yeah, that sort of speculation is bad.
In post 136, zabriel wrote:I don't know. I'm used to smaller games and I've been playing high lately. As a general rule, early on day one I like to leave my vote unattached when I'm thinking about stuff.
Is this true? I can't be bothered trawling through your posting history to see if you are lying or not.
In post 153, PeregrineV wrote: In post 129, Tammy wrote:@ Peregrine I saw you take this same stance regarding the PGO towards Quadz in Otherworld. Did your perspective not change even a little, after the doctor derped and healed Quadz thereby killing himself and almost clearing my partner who had been blocked that night and would have been confirmed scum but for the added kill?
Thing is I'll trade not having scum kill themselves by attempting to kill a PGO over having the doctor kill themselves every time.
I meant to only give my thoughts once more, since the cat can't be stuffed back into the bag, so this is a good question.
I know conventional wisdom is, in the case of miller, to claim, so that the cop doesn't investigate you and get back a scum result.
However, by claiming your role as miller, you are also saying "I will most likely be the target of a cop investigation due to my scummy or anti-town play. In addition, my play will be bad enough to require an investigation of me over all other current players."
If you are going to claim PGO in order to save town PRs, you are claiming that "I will most likely be the most obvious town and the greatest scumhunter the thread has ever seen. This will cause watchers and doctors to want to target me, but I won't be so town as to draw the nightkill or the attention of a scum PR. Or, I will be so scummy that I will cause investigative or town blocking roles to target me causing their death, but I won't be so scummy as to be lynched."
So, as far as Acomist, it's going to be a claim and nothing else.
I don't think that when someone is claiming miller they are saying that at all, ditto pgo. It's simply the safest move to avoid complications down the road because essentially we can't predict what other people will do and it's better not to leave it up to chance. Haven't you ever felt like you've played a really smart game as scum, only to find out that some bastard cop has randomly targeted you and fucked everything up? Or a game where you have mainly stayed in the background because you're the doc and don't want to draw the attention of the scum, but been killed by them anyway?
@ rapdicanyon (post 172): but then what motivation would kk have for calling you town at all if he also wants to discredit you/imply you are scum?
(@ kk: but I agree, his stubborness does seem town, doesn't it?)