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In post 3651, kortul wrote:Wow, why did you have to twist everything? My time is limited, and i don't like walls, so will try to be concise. Let's see.
1)
Pandora wrote:Your scum read on her was based on what the scum team thought of her, with a brushed off mention of her own posts in a way that doesn't verify the content inside.
post 2160 was an analysis of the interactions of the flipped Aegon, not an analysis of Starbuck. What content i had to verify, if "she ignored both slots and their wagons"?
Looking only at what other people say about someone instead of what someone themselves says is an excellent way to avoid addressing anything they have ever actually done, ever. What exactly is someone suposed to say to a case that isn't based on them in any way? "Oh, well yes I didn't talk to those people. That sure is a thing that happened." You don't include anything that shows
what Starbuck has ever done that could be considered scummy
. You never do this. This is why I think you're full of crap.
2) Once again, this wasn't a case on Mockingjaye as well, and translating "(11 posts total, so less sure about her)" into "saying someone is less likely to be scum because they're lurkposting" is misrepresentation.
Oh my mistake you just put her as your secondary scum read and maintained a scum read on her/4nx until she claimed, my mistake. What exactly does "(11 posts total, so less sure about her)" mean if not 'she posted less so I didn't get to read as much so she doesn't have as much to hang her by'?
3) My 2901. Defending 4nx? Did you look at it in context? It was
1 day before deadline
, with 3 wagons tied, and Regfan tried to start yet another one, saying "hopefully people actually move to 4nxiety by the time I get up." I don't approve spreading the votes at the last moment, and in one of my recent posts i counted the number of players who suspected slots, and was telling regfan that at that moment the wagon was doomed.
I will admit it's fair not to want the votes spread at the last minute. I will still argue that the tone of your post implies you never wanted a wagon on 4nx in the first place.
4) Regarding meta search on Scumhunter. I was already suspicious about the slot, and was looking whether Scumhunter play matches his town meta (ie is he lazy VI). It didn't, so there was no reason for me to decide that his behaviour is a town tell for him.
Did you look at a game in which he'd replaced into 100 pages of reading? Regardless of that he had enough of a reputation to cause a collective sigh when he replaced into the game.
5) Regarding claim/selfchoose. I knew Starbuck could do this as a town from her play in one of the recent games. I could see her doing this a scum as well, to lessen the building pressure and understanding that nobody would seriously consider choosing volunteer. In her 75 i didn't like her "I try to look at things from all angles when I am town and I'm doing that here", since this isn't just an explanation, but an introduction of selfmeta that she is aware about.
So you knew from her town meta that she acted like this but chose to willfully ignore it and decide it was a nulltell instead. You were arguing that you believed her confusion was genuine but that it was ~*~scum confusion~*~ so how does this go with assuming she 'understood' that no one would seriously choose her for volunteering?
6) You quote
2402 and
2493, and say that my
"only argument that Scumhunter is scum is that he's too lazy to post"
. Yet anpther blatant misrepresentation. I didn't say that he is scum in that posts at all, i am pushing him
to post content or replace
.
My mistake for assuming that you were pushing the person you were voting and wanted to lynch as scum instead of just wasting people's time with fluffy 'post content' posts. MY BAD.
7)
Pandora wrote:Scum don't get confused and scum are bad people who aren't naive.
Do you really believe that and still play magic? Naive players get their roles randomly. And scum get confused left and right.
I play Yugioh actually, Magic cards aren't as shiny. Scum are more careful when they post by nature because they have more to get wrong. They don't have the freedom of townie innocence because they know if they make a mistake the hounds will be after them. You can't be naive and guilty. Same way scum have more information about what's going on. The game is clearer to them then it should be to any townie playing. That's why the confused and lost little lambs are townie and the wolves who feed on the helpless are scum. I like to wax poetic but this is a general truth. All three of the people in that slot are bad at hiding who they are. Starbuck was waffly. Scumhunter didn't give a shit. And Timeater was a spammy little dude. They were playing themselves without an agenda. With genuine confusion. That's the kind of thing you can't fake.
8) So you think, that Feysal pushing Timeater makes Timeater more likely to be a town? Yeah, let's forget this is multiball and Feysal was a traitor, most likely not recruited.
I don't think I actually said this. In fact looking back I definitely didn't. I said that you made it sound like you were leaning town on Timeater when he came in then you dropped a vote on him anyways. I think you entertaining Feysal by actually chatting him up is a scummy waste of time to make your posts look bigger.
9) Should i go into tiny details every time i post something? If you didn't understand it then - ask. Why wait? It is simple as that. AV was doing things that i consider fishy, and i listed them. Timeater became real active once the attention turned towards AV, so i began to suspect them to be scum buddies.
I am aware of what you were getting at, except that you were quite clear that you thought they were scum on opposite teams, so that line of thought doesn't work together at all. Sure keeps your options open though.
10)
Pandora wrote:For someone who was eager to get some content out of this slot you sure didn't seem to care to talk about any of the content once you got it.
That wasn't a content, that was emotional outburst. Sometimes i think i can recognize genuine emotions from fake, and i tend to believe that town shows genuine emotions more often than scum, but that's it. If he were working on reread, or the reads, and posted analysis/conclusions - that would be a content for me.
So you're arguing that there isn't a single thing that Timeater ever said that you could consider content? That everything he posted was an emotional outburst? Regardless of that again you admit that that's more like what a townie would do. Your last post on the subject was a 'didn't try hard enuf' post. You weren't affected because you didn't want to be convinced one way or the other.
So, to sum it up, my read on Pandora is shattered. Twisting things around and blatant misrepresentations are a scum tell in my eyes. Town has no need for this.
Oh My God I Must Suck *ohdear* :roll: The only one who's twisted something so far in this conversation is you.
I don't sit on vanity wagons
You don't do alot of things other then vote Starbuck until the end of time. Your conversation with Regfan is laughable because it involves AVox being scum and telling the truth about his role, yet deciding to protect a townie in multiball instead of saving it for his own team.
Doctor, bodyguard, watcher, roleblocker, serial killer, nobody targeting, should i continue? I didn't mention less common Rolestopper and Motivator, that were claimed and fliped already.
Yes I am aware those are all roles. I can't confirm a serial killer, I just get 'killing action' not 'serial killah vig'. I assumed the scum wouldd choose to kill him over roleblocking, and I'm p sure a town roleblocker wouldn't have done anything. I can't tell the difference between Doc or Bodyguard either but him living would have gone a long way to proving it. A watcher would have been too busy outting the killer for me to need to verify them, and ignoring that I'm pretty sure there isn't a fucking watcher in the game because I'm baby watcher lite. I picked someone I thought the scum might choose as a secondary target to rolecop, someone who wouldn't be on the 'kill in this line to win game' list but who was still dangerous.
