Micro 66 - Robo's F11 (Game Over)

[Klick]

But Tracey knew PM's meta, and therefore had no good reason to think that he would reaction fish.

[Cheery Dog]

@Klick: You seem to be saying that because you can't find evidence of Tracey being town, she's scum. Either that's sloppy reasoning, or I'm missing something.

That would be how townhunting works, which I believe is how Klick likes to find scum. Do you not agree that hunting town is capable of working?

[Mitillos]

It is very capable of working. But someone who hasn't said something townish would be null, instead of scum. Ideally one should both scumhunt and townhunt. Anyway, Klick's response was fine, you don't need to jump to his rescue .

[TraceyLyn11]

*Prod dodge*

Sorry for the random absence. This weekend's been fairly busy, and I just spent all day recovering and setting up my computer. Tomorrow or Monday I should have a catch up post up.

[Mitillos]

Oh dear. It's going to be another bloody endless wall, isn't it?

[TraceyLyn11]

Oh dear. It's going to be another bloody endless wall, isn't it?

Probably.

[Tazaro]

If anybody posts anything on this November Sunday, I'll at least read it.

[Tazaro]

That's Sunday for ya...

[TraceyLyn11]

I'm caught up in my other game. I'm running kind of on schedule tonight. I may actually end up having time to respond!

[Mitillos]

Now you're just threatening us... (It'd be teasing instead of threatening, if it wasn't most likely going to be a 10-paragraph wall ).

[TraceyLyn11]

You guys don't have to wait for me. You can still talk...

[Robocopter87]

Whaaaaaat I haven't posted in here for 3 days? VC incoming.

[Cheery Dog]

But we want to listen to your sweet sweet typing.

Actually I'm going to go reread this game again now, I'm too out of it. Unlikely I will have anything to add, but the game as a whole is too much stalled.

[Robocopter87]

• Pita

  : Dear God, I do not ask for health or wealth. People ask you so often that you can't have any left. Give me, God, what else you have. Give me what no-one else asks for. Amen.

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Vote Count

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• TraceyLyn11 [1] Klick
  
• Cheery Dog [0]
  
• CommieX [0]
  
• Guy_Named_Riggs [0]
  
• PMysterious [2] Mitillos, TraceyLyn11
  
  
• Malakittens [1] Cheery Dog
  
• Mitillos [0]
  
• Klick [1] Malakittens
  
• Tazaro [1] Guy_Named_Riggs

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Not Voting

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• PMysterious, Tazaro, CommieX

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Amount to Lynch

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• With 9 Alive it is 5 to Lynch.

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Deadline

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• 11:59 PM of November 18^th, EST.

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[Robocopter87]

Yo guys this is the robo rappin time'
yeah

word

imma beatbox and

prod PMysterious

a ratatat tat and flippin my flap jacks
im throwin these raps straight back
to 1492 where columbus sailed the ocean blue
yeah, you know that its true
im a hundred times better at rappin than you

my rhymes and records they dont get played
cuz my records and rhymes they dont get made
and if you rap like me you dont get paid
and if you roll like me you dont get laid

aint no party like my nanna's tea party!

Thank you. Carry on.

[Cheery Dog]

I got bored halfway through reading, but I feel happy with where my vote is - the way in which Mala is talking about PM's meta is like she wants to be able to leave his lynch on the table, and from the one game I've played with both PM and Mala, the readability of PM was brought up there as well, and I believe Mala should actually have gained a read already on PM based on the few posts PM has made and his meta.

*insert simile I think I remember Mala using for PM's readability once*

[Malakittens]

Eh. Thank you very much, but I'm not going to label someone as null/leaning town after two/three posts. He soft claimed, he's not hunting, he's not posting, he's not giving out reads. How is he reading town to others?
He DOES the same meta as town and scum lately. He's a coin flip now in terms.
Plus I think you missed my whole argument. I'm willing to give him time, but if he's town he's a liability in LyLo and I abousetly do not want him there with me.

Last time PM was scum, we allowed him to slide through the game off his lurkyness, but it wasn't until D2 when I realized he was most likely scum. Read my post #234.
Link here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=23478

Cheery that game was months ago and he's changed now with meta. He used to be readable because he actually used to be active when he first started playing. Not sure exactly what changed him, but it's not for the better imo. Maybe it's just me, but I detest lurkers.

If we wanted too we can have a conversation about GNR. He likes to lurk as both scum and town, but I'm reading him as town this game. Since the last game I replaced into he happened to be inactive and was scum.
This game he's at least trying which makes me think he's town.

Link here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=23529

[Cheery Dog]

THat's the only {completed} game I've played with PM, and going by that meta (and bits of other games I've read), I feel he is probably town this game. (I also hope he doesn't respond to that prod and we get someone who will actually play in that slot).

I haven't played with GNR yet, so I can't really comment on his lurking skills, the games I have halfread of his were both scum where he lurked a lot.

[Malakittens]

He possibly is, but do you want him in LyLo?
Yeah I rather have an active player than a lurky player.

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I'm not sure how many games I played with GNR, but when I first played I had to meta him because I was in LyLo. I actually won that my first few games in.

So yeah, I rely heavily on meta. >.>

[PMysterious]

Okay, I'm SO sorry for not being too active. I forgot about this a LOT. Its not like me to forget about MS. Really, it isn't.

[Cheery Dog]

but do you want him in LyLo

Np, I doesn't don't want to have to policy lynch him so he isn't in LYLO.

[Cheery Dog]

what the heck was I doing at that start of that sentence :s
It's not meant to have a double negative there.

@PM it may be easier to remember if you ask and answer questions and actually attempt to get into the game. Wouldn't you agree that getting into the game would be logical?

[TraceyLyn11]

VOTE: Tracey. Will explain at my earliest convenience. This was the scumread I was hiding, but what reminded me of it is her "Is that a soft claim?" shit.

What's wrong with that?

My personal take on policy lynches is that they can be discouraging, but also they might be in the benefit of scum. Scum can use it to their advantage and try to direct that in their favor.

And this is why I didn't like your wishy-washiness towards the policy lynch. You knew scum could take advantage of a policy lynch... And yet you didn't try to crush Taz's discussion about policy lynches? What bothers me even more is:

Taz has moved to a low scum read because of attempting to want to PL PM. I think it's anti town, but also scummy. My main answer if you don't like someone's play style either you don't join or you find a way to play nice without wanting to PL.

Why did you not think this was scummy when he first asked about it?

Just thought of something, but Klick's "hidden" scum read on Tracey reminds me of his play during Fire and Ice.

His play is different.

- hidden scum read on Tracey, which feels to me as a gambit which scum Klick likes to do.

I know he already said this, but I'm going to add emphasis. Klick does gambits as either alignment. Gambits are not alignment indicative in his case. However, I will say that his "gambits" feel distinctively different this game than they did in Fire and Ice.

Seriously. We were getting somewhere with RVS, but then the RQS ruined it. The pro-town use of waiting for someone to call it out is good in theory, but it stalled the game.

I do RQS in all of my games. It actually wasn't even meant to be used in order to see if someone would call it out. I just find that I get better results with discussion from RQS than RVS. Not to mention the answers to the RQS I actually do use and keep track of.

The first thing that really tipped me off by Tracey is that her #36 paragraph on PM makes no sense. Her conclusion that PM was reaction fishing seems far-fetched and unreasonable, given her past experience with PM. At first, I speculated on a Tracey-PM team, and that's why I wanted to hear from PM before revealing my read on Tracey; I kinda wanted to get PM onto the subject of Tracey's post and see if he went along with Tracey's idea that he was reaction testing. However, PM's post was a town tell. There must have been some other reason for her to think that.

A) What do you mean about Myst reaction fishing seeming far-fetched? I'll go onto discuss this in a little bit, but I don't think it's out of his ability to do so. B) What was a town tell from Myst?

Tracey's reasoning in #42 is terrible when she had so much else to go on earlier. By this time I was tipped off by Tracey, and #44 shows it, as well as my team speculation.

You seriously think that that was my reasoning for thinking Cheery was scum? That that was the only thing propelling me onward to vote for him? It was on the second page. Notice I had already had two votes before that. I was reaction fishing, doing something to get the game moving.

Another thing that I forgot to mention: Tracey buddies me. A lot. She disagrees with my reads and tries to convince me otherwise, but she never misses the chance to call me town after the arguing.

Is it weird to buddy people you think are town?

However, it looks really bad if Tracey is town.

Why?

However, the fact that he revealed himself is a slight towntell.

How?

Mala, I can see Klick being scum

Explain.

But Tracey knew PM's meta, and therefore had no good reason to think that he would reaction fish.

Why not? I certainly don't think Myst to be incapable of it, and I know he's trying to improve his play. One way to do so would be to start the game moving early in the game. I'm really confused as to why you think Myst couldn't (or wouldn't) reaction fish.

Yo guys this is the robo rappin time'
yeah

word

imma beatbox and

prod PMysterious

a ratatat tat and flippin my flap jacks
im throwin these raps straight back
to 1492 where columbus sailed the ocean blue
yeah, you know that its true
im a hundred times better at rappin than you

my rhymes and records they dont get played
cuz my records and rhymes they dont get made
and if you rap like me you dont get paid
and if you roll like me you dont get laid

aint no party like my nanna's tea party!

Thank you. Carry on.

I laughed too hard at that..

Okay, I'm SO sorry for not being too active. I forgot about this a LOT. Its not like me to forget about MS. Really, it isn't.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME. I was all excited to actually get to play with you. And you lurk. A lot. And do stuff like this. Replace the hell out or actually start posting substance. Seriously.

Klick, Riggs, and Cheery are town, methinks. Commie and Myst are null-town. Taz is null. I'm very confused about him. Mit and Mala are null-scum. I have no strong scum reads.

My vote on Myst was sort of a reaction test. Both for everyone else as well as Mit. I didn't expect Myst to come back and begin posting.

That being said, my vote is better off on Mala.

VOTE: Mala

Also, sorry PM. It feels too weird calling you "Myst". I'm going to revert back to "PM".

Taz, you never answered my questions:

No, those two would be the most scummy BY DEFAULT, by my asssessment, in the event that no other vote were decided upon.

In other words, not scummy; deadline/policy lynches. Yes?

In fact,

by virtue of the reaction

, Mitillos is not a terribly good one to decide upon, so

UNVOTE

PMysterious

What reaction are you referring to?

No. Unvoting BEFORE that happens because it will be more informative WHEN that happens

How will it be more informative? Please explain.

[Mitillos]

@Tracey: What sort of reaction were you expecting? That I'd unvote him and vote you instead, or something? I'd like him to answer questions and start posting, before I consider moving off, as I said several times, so that's not happening, at the moment. Also, why is PMyst null-town? If anything, he should be null, from all the lack of posting, or null-scum from ignoring the questions directed at him. Unless you have reason to believe that his lurking and ignoring questions is a clear sign of townishness.

[TraceyLyn11]

@Tracey: What sort of reaction were you expecting? That I'd unvote him and vote you instead, or something? I'd like him to answer questions and start posting, before I consider moving off, as I said several times, so that's not happening, at the moment. Also, why is PMyst null-town? If anything, he should be null, from all the lack of posting, or null-scum from ignoring the questions directed at him. Unless you have reason to believe that his lurking and ignoring questions is a clear sign of townishness.

No, that's not the reaction I was expecting. Why did that spring to mind for you? When I reaction fish, I don't [generally] know what I'm looking for. I just do something that I'm sure will make people's heads spin. I might expect some sort of general consensus toward a reaction fish of mine (i.e. it's scummy, it's townish), but I don't [generally] know what it is I'm looking for.

What good is your vote doing on someone who doesn't even care? In fact, I'd be a little surprised if PM even knew you were voting him, let alone the reasoning behind your vote. Your vote is as good as not voting. I suggest you vote someone else or actually try and convince people to lynch PM. Right now, this is you: "Guise. PM's not doing anything. So I'm going to pressure him. You should to." "No? Okay. Well, I'm still going to." "Woohoo, you voted with me. Now let's see if he responds." "Nooooope... But I'm still going to keep my vote here." "You unvoted.. Well my vote is still worth something even though if what I'm saying is right, and he's lurking, then he knows we were both voting him and still didn't participate."

PM is null-town because of his voting "undecided". I just don't understand why scumPM would do that. I haven't seen his town meta, though, so I can't say if his other posts are from town or scum. I know as scum he got three prods within two [game] days. I don't know if he's that lurky as town, too, or not. He's not null-scum because I don't think he's ignoring the questions. I think he's literally not reading anything in this game.