NY Mafia 155 - New Age Mafia II - Game Over!

[Glork]

Vote: Tierce

[Glork]

I could go for an AGar lynch.

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Unvote
Vote: AGar

FoS: umoms

[Glork]

FoS: Tierce

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Personally, I think we should just quicklynch some bastards, ScumChat style, and give zero fucks about anything.

[Glork]

Vote: umoms

choooooo choooooo

[Glork]

He absolutely did fail. Someone needs to hammer.


Should have had a Page 3 scumlynch, but NOOOOOO.

[Glork]

In the event that umoms does not get quicklynched (or that he gets quicklynched as town), I fully support killing nhammen. The whole "let me find a different-bad-bullshit reason to pile onto the wagon" thing is easily the scummiest vote on here.

Buuuut umom's reaction to the pressure doesn't fit. A bit of WTFery is expected, but he's just tra-la-la-ing along like it's no big deal.

[Glork]

Why don't you give a shit?

[Glork]

On the contrary, I wanted a lynch on Page 3 of a large game. If you think I'm taking this shit far too seriously, you need to have your vision checked.

[Glork]

In the event that umoms does not get quicklynched (or that he gets quicklynched as town), I fully support killing nhammen. The whole "let me find a different-bad-bullshit reason to pile onto the wagon" thing is easily the scummiest vote on here.

Buuuut umom's reaction to the pressure doesn't fit. A bit of WTFery is expected, but he's just tra-la-la-ing along like it's no big deal.

He reads like he doesn't give a shit and that (assuming it is a hohum alt) is what I'd expect of a reaction from him. What makes you expect a different one? What reaction were you expecting?

Oh, see, here my first impression was UberNinja, based on his GD posting history. That would definitely imply faked-not-giving-a-shit, becuase UberNinja cares too much, even if he'd never admit it.

[Glork]

OH MAN. Tierce wagon or nhammen wagon. BOTH SO GOOD.

But nhammen is bigger.

Vote: nhammen

[Glork]

Why would you want to channel anyone's scum-meta?

To that end, why would you want to channel anything but your own town-meta?

[Glork]

I think we should massclaim.

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I'm being 100% serious. It should have worked in both Almost Normal and Closed Normal in Team Mafia, had the town done it right. I think people are terrified of massclaims, but it's such a struggle for scums to fake something D1 and maintain it throughout the game. They basically can't claim any information role other than regular-cop, which seems to have fallen out of favor in today's meta. They can claim Doctor, but if there's any SK, multiball, a real doctor, etc., they're walking corpses. There are very few fakeclaims scums can come up with D1. I want it to happen.

[Glork]

I haven't really been able to get into this game. Also, an unrelated, outside conversation reminded me of CrashTextDummie's massclaim suggestion for Almost Normal, and my desire to do the same in Closed Normal. I guess I didn't suggest it earlier because it didn't occur to me earlier?

[Glork]

I've been in a few games where people have suggested immediate massclaims with convincing reasons (CTD and empking), and it never happens. In the past I've been knee-jerk against it because tradition, but lately I've been wanting it to happen just to see if it really works out like those suggesting it say it will. I'm just not sure this is the game to try and thats all I've got to say about it.

That it never happens doesn't mean it's not a good idea. It absolutely would have cracked open half the games in Team Mafia.

It's a good play. Tierce, Sim, Stag, and AGar are on board. They have nothing to fear.

Let's fuck up some scums, people.

[Glork]

Unvote

[Glork]

Neighbor with an additional ability (my neighbor doesnt know about my extra ability by the way). I really don't think I should claim it though.

Popcorn umoms

That's not how a mass claim works. It's not a mass partial-claim, or a mass-claim-if-I'm-vanilla-or-not. It's a mass claim.

Vote: Rhinox

[Glork]

Also, thinking about this, I'll bow to your greater experience here, but is scum claiming a uncontested power role to get into the endgame something that happens a lot?

Seems like is the main advantage you're touting and I don't think it's much of a things against the benefit to town of getting a nice PR a bit further, which can potentially clear/kill another couple of people and hand us the game.

I'd rather save the mass claim analysis for when tr mass claim is done. Thanks in advance.

[Glork]

Can we please lynch Rhinox unless he full-claims immediately? This is ridiculous.

[Glork]

Wow whatever its not like i can even draw a nk at this point anyways. I'm factional bulletproof. I can't be nk'd by mafia. I can be lynched or vigged or killed by any faction other than mafia if they exist but idk if that means there are for sure multi factions or not.

Fos glork (+others? On phone too lazy to go look) for starting massclaim and calling for a lynch before completing the massclaim.

Actually who am i voting? Redff? Eh doesnt matter

unvote vote glork

You didn't claim during a massclaim. You were pressured, and then you finished your claim. Chill out, bro.

Unvote

[Glork]

Can we just lynch Umoms like we wanted to ten pages ago? This is ridiculous.

[Glork]

Can we just lynch Umoms like we wanted to ten pages ago? This is ridiculous.

wtf umoms is town as fuck

vote glork

diescumdie

umoms is also creating the impression that they are avoiding mass claim, though. That is a legit reason to vote for them.

Your vote seems silly, imo.

This.

Also, I guess I should put my money where my mouth is.

Vote: Umoms

[Glork]

How about we just move on with the massclaim and agree to lynch Umoms today once we're done? Rhinox can pick someone else, and we can do this shit. The lack of activity is astounding. I have notes (already cleared like five people on massclaim-behavioral tells alone), and would really like to share them with the class when this massclaim is finally done with.

[Glork]

Well this is going to lead to a bunch of scumbaggoes waiting until later to solidify fake-claims. I guess that works, though... weighted supsicions aren't an inherently bad thing.


VT + Neighbor with Rhinox.

[Glork]

If OGML would rather replace me than stir up this drama, he's well within his jurisdiction. But I'm not going to read my PM.

In confirming, you are required to state that you have read and understand your win condition.

Vote: Quagmire

[Glork]

EWBOP: The premise of the vote is that Quag was required to read his role PM to have confirmed. He's a lying sack of shit.

[Glork]

Actually, retarded as he might be, that doesn't make him scum. It *is* his meta. But seriously. Fuck that shit.

Vote: Umoms

[Glork]

I'm fairly certain I'm not scum.

I am lamenting the decision to request a massclaim, though. It should probably be kept to mini games, where universal cooperation and timely participation are more likely.

[Glork]

Also, D1 gambits don't historically come for Glorkscum. His play is reserved, almost

too

standard. I don't mid ring bashed for the poor decision making, but calling me scum for it seems more than a little short-sighted.

[Glork]

EBWOP: "I don't mind being".... Phone posting.

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Singer, it *is* a joke. We used to say stuff like that in scumchat mafia all the time way back in the day.
3p LyLo: "Guys I'm p sure I'm not scum, you two should vote for each other"... I even did that in Skypemafia just a few months back.


Also, no, short-sighted does not mean scum. If I meant scum, I'd have said scum. Quag is a strong protown read, Rhinox is at least not mafia-scum (although claiming mafia-bulletproof as mafia would be pretty techy), and Scooby... idk, he just seems kind of aloof. What I meant was, people who think that I'd make this kind of gambit on D1 as scum aren't really digging into past glorkmeta, at all. If you look back at our TM quicktopic, I legit thought that CTD's massclaim idea was fucking brilliant, and wanted to do it in my game, too. I still think it's fucking brilliant, even though CTD got lynched in part over it, and I knew that I'd pick up some flak for it. I still think we should finish the masslcaim, and pretty much everyone who continues to post without claiming (except Quag) is getting minus points for not doing so.

In this situation, zero fucks given = protown. People who are hiding behind other things and stalling/avoiding the massclaim must have *some* reason for it, and I guarantee you it's not because they're power... because like three people have claimed power already. (Not that everyone who has claimed power is inherently protown, but if they're scum they're committing to a potential world of hurt.)

[Glork]

Iiiiinteresting. I could go for a nhammen lynch based on that alone.

[Glork]

Iiiiinteresting. I could go for a nhammen lynch based on that alone.

What's the point of saying this if you're not going to? But you should vote for me instead anyway.

I wanted to voice my support for a nhammen lynch but didn't want to actually jump the wagon yet because we need to finish the massclaim (or get as close as we possibly can) first.

[Glork]

This is p much a prod-dodge post. I'm on V/LA for a few more days.

[Glork]

claim now mcstab we're just finishing up a mass claim

A thousand times this.

[Glork]

Vote: nhammen

[Glork]

Also need to note that I don't like the way nhammen has responded to pressure regardless of how awful the initial logic on his current wagon is. Would be willing to lynch when I'm ready to settle down on a scum target instead of a PLAY THE FUCKING GAME YOU ASSHOLES target.

On that note, why are you still voting Bella, even if she isn't PLAYING THE FUCKING GAME? She is an Innocent Child afterall, so even as pressure/point, your vote is literally beyond useless.

[Glork]

Claim now.

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Don't you mean Nhammen and Nhammen?

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Living (19/19) [/b] (bold is confirmed)
1.

McStab

_{rep. umoms D1} -- VANILLA TOWNIE
2.

Glork

-- VANILLA TOWNIE, NEIGHBOR WITH RHINOX

*3.

Quagmire

4.

Tierce

-- VANILLA TOWNIE

*5.

singersigner

_{rep. Untrod Tripod D1}

6.

Bella -

Innocent Child

7.

Rhinox

-- BULLETPROOF TO MAFIA, NEIGHBOR WITH GLORK
8.

nhammen

-- VANILLA TOWNIE
9.

scooby

-- VANILLA TOWNIE
10.

Psyche

_{rep. iamausername D1} -- SANE COP _{(iamausername claimed COP)}
11.

AGar

-- 1-SHOT VIGILANTE
12.

Staeg

-- ROLEBLOCKER
13.

bv310

_{rep. Thestatusquo D1} -- ONE-SHOT GUNSMITH
14.

redFF

-- VANILLA TOWNIE
15.

Quilford

-- VANILLA TOWNIE

*16.

Simenon

17.

Primate

-- BODYGUARD
18.

Flameaxe

-- VANILLA TOWNIE
19.

JDodge

-- VANILLA TOWNIE



Please tell me if this is correct.

Also, REALLY surprising that Sim hasn't claimed. Unless I missed him doing so, I kind of really want to lynch him after Nhammen.
Quag and Singer should claim, too.
:goodfeelings: about Quag went away because I forgot that his "protown behavioral tells" are invalidated by the fact that he had not read his role PM.
Singer... I know she thought massclaim was a terrible idea, but now that at least 16/19 have done so, being one of the holdouts is probably going to look really bad down the line.


Of the actual claimed roles, we have...
2 informative rower roles (one one-shot)
2 "protective" rower roles (but not really)
1 roleblocker
1 one-shot vig
9 vanilla townie (1 neighobr included)
1 Innocent Child


This already seems like the absolute maximum power we can expect, unless the game is full multiball. (Right now I'm thinking Mafia+SK.)



Nhammen is still the lynch today. I wouldn't mind seeing Simenon shot tonight.

[Glork]

In fact, if I were a wagering man, I'd bet just about anything that Sim is some form of scum. I'd even be willing to lynch him

over

Nham today.

[Glork]

OH NEVERMIND SIM DID CLAIM VANILLA FUCK ME I CAN'T READ.

[Glork]

Dodging a prod. Still moving and shit.

Singer: I explained why I was withholding my vote earlier. Now that the massclaim is as complete as it's going to get, it's time to get to lynching.

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Glork:

Of the actual claimed roles, we have...
2 informative rower roles (one one-shot)
2 "protective" rower roles (but not really)
1 roleblocker
1 one-shot vig
9 vanilla townie (1 neighobr included)
1 Innocent Child


This already seems like the absolute maximum power we can expect, unless the game is full multiball. (Right now I'm thinking Mafia+SK.)

Given that this is how you feel about the claims (

and your reaction to my partial claim

), how do you feel about singer softclaiming a PR that "we probably don't want her to claim".


Also this:

Especially considering the fact that I can (theoretically) just be confirmed by a cop, so...

Lynch it with fire!

Actually, I'm willing to wait and see, as long as the full claim (with results) happens at least two days before probably LyLo. Maiden is still fresh in my mind, and pushing DDD didn't turn out well for anyone involved.

The "cop cleared" thing is a bit alarming. Every time someone says that, my knee-jerk reaction is "Godfather." And if we assume we have a "sane cop," it's pretty safe to assume the existence of a Godfather.

I actually really wish our Gunsmith weren't one-shot. There are like four roles I would love to check right now (in no particular order -- Singer, Rhinox, Sim, Stag).

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Quil is not a lynch candidate at this time.


Tierce, considering how close we are to deadline (less than 72 hours by my count?), is it safe to assume that you consider Nhammen to be definitively protown? You literally haven't talked about him other than to say you are "interested" to see how Red reacts to him early on, and then to say that discussing the "I claim" tell "doesn't make him scum." Considering he is one of the main wagons of the day, it sounds an aaaaaawful lot like you really want to avoid the subject altogether. So, gun-to-head: Would you lynch him today or not? Why or why not?

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EBWOP: 73 hours, roughly. Whaaaatever.

[Glork]

No. Singer is a terrible, awful direction.

[Glork]

Glork, what good reason do you have to avert the singer wagon and what viable alternative do you propose in the immediate short term, since we have a bit over 2 days to do something.

Are you incapable of reading any of my posts over the last few pages?
Are you incapable of looking at the vote count?

Seriously, AGar. What the hell is this god awful bullshit?

[Glork]

Vote: nhammen

Don't you mean Nhammen and Nhammen?

Nhammen is still the lynch today. I wouldn't mind seeing Simenon shot tonight.

Dodging a prod. Still moving and shit.

Singer: I explained why I was withholding my

[nhammen]

vote earlier. Now that the massclaim is as complete as it's going to get, it's time to get to lynching

[nhammen]

.

Tierce, considering how close we are to deadline (less than 72 hours by my count?), is it safe to assume that you consider Nhammen to be definitively protown? You literally haven't talked about him other than to say you are "interested" to see how Red reacts to him early on, and then to say that discussing the "I claim" tell "doesn't make him scum." Considering he is one of the main wagons of the day, it sounds an aaaaaawful lot like you really want to avoid the subject altogether. So, gun-to-head: Would you lynch him today or not? Why or why not?

Here, AGar. Since you're apparently unwilling to put any effort into reading things, I've done all the legwork for you. Now please stop being stupid and start lynching Nhammen. 'Kay?

[Glork]

Dude, Singer is seriously NOT scum. Trust me.

[Glork]

I told you Quil was town... :/

Vote: Simenon

Would also gladly lynch Tierce right now.

[Glork]

Pretty simple. I refuse to believe that you have a guilty on singer. Also, Sim's play looks like scum play, and Tierce's is hardly much better.

[Glork]

Nope, not taking you seriously

Not taking him seriously, yet you're following him onto singersigner? Interesting.

When I have some time I'll go back through some of Psyche'd past games and see if he has a history of lying as town. Then I'll decide.

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So, nhammen was scum - nice work iamausername. My gut says Psyche is gambiting in an attempt to make singer claim and actually play the game instead of posting excuses.

I'll happily vote singer when he confirms 100% he is being truthful.

This, exactly this, which is why in like half an hour I plan on running through Psyche's game history to see if he has a track record of gambling as town.

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Also, Tierce, there very much is a way singer could honestly believe that it was IMPOSSIBLE for Psyche to have invrstigated her last night. I can think of three tiles off the top of my head that make it an impossibility.

Try harder next time.

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EBWOP: tiles = roles. Phone posting.

[Glork]

Four roles.

[Glork]

Holy shit someobdy unvoter her now. If she's scum, she can self-hammer and our power role situation is fucked. We need answers from AGar on whether he shot Quil, and a full claim from Singer isn't a bad thing. Also, there are like 5 people who haven't even checked in today, much less posted any content. Stop being mindless fucks for like two seconds. Less-than-24-hour-days are one of the WORST things ever, and most of you have been around plenty long enough to know this by now.

[Glork]

You forgot JD's vote at top of page. She was at Lynch-1.

[Glork]

Its a quiet night in the village, aside from the screams of the dying. Positively peaceful.

Quilford -

Vanilla Town

- Killed Night One
Primate -

Bodyguard

- Killed Night One

It is now Day Two. With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

For additional Reference.

Oh. For some reason I thought it was 7 to lynch. Well fuck me.

[Glork]

Fine.

Vote: singersigner

[Glork]

Of note: Flameaxe, Quagmire, and Scooby were the last (non-confirmed town) to jump on either singer or nham yesterday.

[Glork]

EBWOP: Well, Tierce isn't confirmed technically, but she's not group scum.

Also, in te event that this lynch turns out to be a terrible idea, we're back to killing Simenon tomorrow, and I'm probably going to go into full on SHUT THE FUCK UP AND DO WHAT I TELL YOU TO DO mode.

[Glork]

Vote: scooby

[Glork]

As easily explainable by two anti-town parties killing the cop on N2 and the cop not dying on N1 due to successful roleblock. I still think it reasonable to assume that there's another potential killing party on the cards but think it's unreasonable to act on that line of thought until tomorrow night now that the obvious NK targets have exhausted themselves (with the potential exception of Stag-if-town).

That's my point; it makes no sense to go after scooby for a claimed roleblock on him when we're not even certain if there are multiple killers in play aside from AGar. He can be scum, but that'd be a weird reason to vote him.

Nobody at any point said they were voting Scooby for the roleblock N1. What the fuck are you talking about?

[Glork]

Also dodging a prod. I need to review Sim. His strong favoring of a singer lych over a nham lynch isn't as egregious anymore.

Noteworthy: Scooby was one of the very last people voting for

neither

nham nor singer.

[Glork]

Why favor a goon over another goon? That's not remarkable in any manner.
(I'm also failing to see whether you mean "egregious" as "good" or "bad"; you people have a stupid language.)

You seem to be missing my point.

I has Sim down as suspicious for, among other behaviors, wanting to lynch singer (who I thought was TOWN) over nham (who I was convinced was SCUM). Now that I know they were both scum, that "tell" no longer exists.

[Glork]

Another prod dodge. I have tomorrow off and will be able to actually give my games some attention. Sorry, guys.

[Glork]

Stag isn't scum.

[Glork]

Also, if Stag were a mafia RB, I'd love to know how Psyche could possibly have gotten a result N1.

Not really sure if people are willingly choosing to ignore this, or just that incapable of basic deductive reasoning.

[Glork]

Glork, care to explain why you've been hunting for simenon's head the past couple days, then voted scooby once today opened,

then

reread simenon?

I already explained this. Once singer flipped scum, my impression of Simenon's alignment changed.

I will, however, pull a pot-kettle-black, and point out that he's gone into lurkmode today.

[Glork]

Meh. I'd lynch any one of {Scooby, Flamexe, redFF, Simenon} today. None of them are SUPER STRONG scumreads, but I'm kind of at a loss. D2 was way too short and focused on the singerlynch for us to get much :goodinfo:.

I am guessing 5 scums with no power (except possibly a Godfather). I would guess that busing at this point is pretty minimal (which rules out, say, a Flaxe/red/Scooby combo based on Flaxe's list of reads). You might have each member throwing one of the remaining scumbuddies on their list for posterity, but I'd be floored if more than one has BOTH of his scumbuddies listed.

[Glork]

i'm a cop.

I am a roleblocker.

Claiming roleblocker and then going after the claimed cop would be suicide as scum, so there's a reason for Stag-scum not to roleblock iamausername/Psyche.

However

, Staeg claimed roleblocker after IAAUN claimed cop; he simply could have claimed something else and blocked IAAUN that night. The fact that he claimed roleblocker after the cop claim is an indicator of town.

You're going after derp-play, JDodge. I'd love to purge that as a matter of principle, but Staeg isn't scum.

So... where did Simenon, scooby and bev go, again?

You're dumb.

IF THERE IS A SCUM ROLEBLOCKER, THEY BLOCK PRIMATE N1 AND KILL PSYCHE.

Jesus. Fucking. Balls.

People are IDIOTS.

[Glork]

Oh, I totes misread what you said. Ignore me.

[Glork]

Anyway, yeah, the only way Stag is scum is if there's no scumpower. And even then, claiming "Tierce" last night is a dumb move. He could easily have claimed to block

ANY

claimed vanilla townie. Or Rhinox. Or either of our one-shot guys who used their roles already.

Etc.

Like, his claim of blocking Tierce is a claim that is TERRIBLE for scum to make (WHEE SPOTLIGHT ON MYSELF) and one that's significantly less terrible (although still pretty bad) for town to make.

[Glork]

Yeah, we're on the same page. I just woke up from a nap and failed at reading comprehension and thought you were calling Staeg scum for a minute.

[Glork]

i honestly don't care if we lynch derp play at the moment, i'd rather have the info free-flowing when it matters than dealing with a group of people that'll be like getting blood from a stone that may or may not be scum

there's a bit of an assumption that since stag claimed roleblocker he must be a roleblocker

A powerless scumbag claiming to be a roleblocker relatively early in a massclaim?

Yeah, he can be expected to prove himself at some point or another. Maybe if Stag were one of the LAST people to claim, I'd agree with you.

But claiming to be able to block without anybody on his team being able to block? That is putting a (potentially VERY short) clock on one's own life.


Sorry, JD. Not buying it. Go witch hunt somewhere else. Stag aint getting lynched in this game.

[Glork]

Fwiw I can back up Rhinox's discussion about singer-suspicion after the Nham lynch, and what we talked about in QT N1. We both agreed that the singer counter wagon was probably on a protown player and tried to find who was pushing singer while poo-pooing the nham wagon.

[Glork]

Also, I'm having second thoughts on JD. His "RAWR BE ACTIVE AND DO WORK" crusade is getting to the point where I feel like he's been no less helpful to

actual scumhunting

than some of the people he is calling out. Whining and bitching about Izzy, me, et al has made for a great smokescreen of not actually trying to push a lynch on his prime scum suspects.

Maybe it's just paranoia. But it's been bothering me since yesterday when I started paying attention to the game again.

[Glork]

Glork? Why have you been online and active elsewhere and not here at all?

Because musterig up the energy to read through this thread takes longer than the 10 minute breaks I have at work, and 95% of my time outside of work has been spent hanging out with my girlfriend.

Anyway, I've been prodded so derp. I already explained how scooby seemed to linger off

both singer and nham

longer than just about anybody, but that point has been largely ignored in favor of Rhinox, who in all honesty, is probably a creatively-named Bulletproof Townie Neighbor.

I'm curious to know if everyone actually thinks that

EVERY SINGLE ONE

of the scum were happily busing someone D1, or whether there was someone holding out. (And before anyone mentions it, I'm 100% aware that this implicates me to a small extent, but I did also explain exactly why I held off from voting Nhammen -- I wanted to complete the massclaim first.)

[Glork]

EBWOP: And actually, Tierce, without getting into a [REDACTED] situation, it takes like two minutes to see that I'm lagging in every single one of my games played, and I was like 48 hours late on putting up a VC in the Newbie I'm modding. Sooooo you can pretty much suck it.

[Glork]

Anybody want to jump to Flameaxe or redFF instead?

[Glork]

I'd lynch redFF, but there doesn't seem to be a ton of support for it.

I'd lynch Flameaxe, too.

Unfortunately, we're also like 36 hours from deadline. I can check periodically to switch a vote if we can get a wagon that quickly, but I'm not super confident in us being able to do that with so much rampant inactivity.

[Glork]

Me three.

I'm also biased because I don't think his conduct in NEIGHBORHOOD is remotely like scum, so there's that, too. I probably won't vote to lynch Rhinox unless he's the odd man out in a really awkward LyLo.

[Glork]

Vote: Flameaxe

[Glork]

Flameaxe, where have you been the last six days that SUDDENLY, FLASHWAGON has you posting? WAs this mere happenstance that you checked the thread on the same night within an hour of picking up a 4th vote, after having been mysteriously absent all week?

[Glork]

If JDodge doesn't get on one of these wagons after spending the whole game waxing rhetorical about people not posting or "playing," he is going to get lynched tomorrow.

[Glork]

I'd vote Sim('s replacement).

Still not sold on Rhinox.

[Glork]

In fact, I kind of forgot that I was in a neighborhood with him, and reading his neighborhood posts (especially overnight tonight), I will never ever vote Rhinox in this game ever.

[Glork]

Can I have reasons with that aseveration? I mean, anyone can play the town game...

I could for Sableheart as well.

Despite me defending him, he told me that I might be better off just lynching him, because he's a mislynch waiting to happen later on in the game, at a more critical juncture. He's also been pretty crystal clear in his opinions. I've played with scum-neighbors and town-neighbors before, and just the wording/sincerity/openness of his posts makes it pretty clear that he's a town-neighbor. He has never seemed the least bit interested in "convincing" me that he is protown -- he just let it happen naturally, which is major bonus points.

I really, really don't think that Rhinox is scum. I still think that he is an effectively-bulletproof-townie who is also a neighbor.

[Glork]

Vote: Michel Sablehart

Full re-read coming at some point today.

[Glork]

If Glork is scum, the longer we let him live, the more of a threat he becomes. A Glorkscum with 3-4 left in LYLO is a recipe for disaster. He also pushed for the massclaim D1, which I guess I was the only who thought was a scum-motivated move at the time. We'd really be in the hole if Psyche didn't get that guilty on singer.

My massclaim directly netted us one scum (nham saying "I claim") and indirectly caught us the other scum (singer's refusal to claim leading to the investigation on her). If I'm scum, I literally threw the game away on D1.

Anyway, reading this when I get home tonight. I promise. No matter what.

[Glork]

Yep, WIFOM with

ZERO FUCKING CLUE

what the town power distribution is a great fucking play for scum to make less than ten pages into Day One of a game. *roll*

[Glork]

Protip: The more ridiculous and massive the WIFOM factor behind a hypothetical scum gambit is,

the less likely it is that it's an actual gambit

. I rarely

rarely

survive to endgame, so the idea that I'd call for a play which historically puts scums into an absolute panic D1 for the sake of "town cred" which evaporates the moment I get investigated, crosskilled, vigged by some idiot on a whim (has actually happened to me), roleblocked it tracked/watched to a dead person... That gambit falls through. There is not enough "town cred" in the world to make a play which is going to get half your scum team killed and not even guarantee that you'll be free of suspicion. Don't even fucking bring up WIFOM bullshit here because you know deep down inside that it doesn't really apply. There are not two equal choices here. One (don't force mass claim) is a good play for scum, and the other (force a mass claim) is literally ritualistic suicide for an entire scum team.

[Glork]

Also, how was one of my "buddies" cleared?

[Glork]

^5 CES

[Glork]

Hi, he could have been vigged by our vig?

kthxbai.

If I thought there were enough time before deadline tomorrow to lynch KoC, I'd totally be going for that instead.

[Glork]

Vote: KoC

[Glork]

Our remaining scum are likely KoC and Quagmire. RedFF and Rhinox are alternates, in that order.

[Glork]

No.

[Glork]

Viable fake claims are limited (which I alluded to earlier), and scums tend to avoid the subject of Massclaim-or-Not altogether unless pressed on the issue (whereas town will typically quickly either voice support or vehement oposal and possible suspicion of the one proposing it). It's basically the same approach that led CTD to push for a massclaim in Almost Normal.

[Glork]

Singer's was just a case of her play style, which is why I was fooled, but it's still the reason she got investigated N1. Nham's was suspicious as hell, and iamausername completely busted him for it.

Not sure which game you're reading, but you might want to just sheep me again. Red is town. KoC is scum. Red was the first to actually instigate the massclaim, and picked Nhammen second. There is no fucking way on earth he is scum for that, even if the scums have day talk. His behavior is hallmark protown play.

[Glork]

DEAR KoC,

why exactly do you believe redFF is scum?
Who is the other scumbag?
If one of your top suspects were lynched as town, who would be next in line, and why?

[Glork]

Not halfhearted. Either going first in massclaim OR picking your scumbuddy to popcorn after you?

Maybe.

The combination, plus his stance on Singer and Sim? No thanks.

Whatever, CES. Go mislynch again and then start sheeping me tomorrow. Thankfully we're so far ahead, we have a mislynch to burn.

[Glork]

So, you won't even try? Even if you're protown, you won't actually scumhunt? There were two people voting for you when you pulled this gambit, and two voting for redFF (and CES potentially willing to go *back* to redFF).

Why Appeal to Emotion and act all defeatist now? Do you need to pull something craycray out of your ass to avoid just flat-out losing?
Or do you really think that self-voting here as town without being REMOTELY cooperative is going to help the town win the game?

FFS. If you're town, this is the WORST thing you could possibly do. As town it makes sense, because there are likely two scum left among 10 players, and if you go down here, the game is pretty much locked up.

Nope. If you're town and you want to win, it's time to start analyzing EVERYONE in the game. Go read, and iso, and ffs, TRY. Don't just sheep people onto redFF and then get pissy and self-vote because Glork wants you dead.

[Glork]

Vote: Rhinox

[Glork]

Hi defense of Michel and subsequent failure to explain himself in QuickTopic didn't sit well with me.

[Glork]

Part of me really wans to make a case against Quagmire, but:
A) I'm lazy as fuck;
B) It'll probably just get me lynched, and then nobody will go back and heed my words after I'm dead.

I just wanted to post this for posterity, though.

[Glork]

Part of me really wans to make a case against Quagmire, but:
A) I'm lazy as fuck;
B) It'll probably just get me lynched, and then nobody will go back and heed my words after I'm dead.

I just wanted to post this for posterity, though.

"It'll get me lynched so I won't try it" is not a pro-town mentality unless you're afraid your case is so shit it'll fall apart on first inspection.
Your obsession with trying to lynch PRs is, again, noted.

ITT, KoC misses the point entirely. I would have no problem making the case and getting lyched for it if I thought it would convince a majority of the town that Quag is scum.

[Glork]

Hey look, Scooby got mislynched. That's cool.


Honestly, my apathy for mafia in general right now is at an all-time low. I might try to cobble together a case against Quagmire overnight. In the meantime, carry on.

[Glork]

Tierce, why are you bothering to argue with him at this point?

[Glork]

Tierce, please explain why you think Quag's claim is not consistent with scum. It came late (last, in fact), mirrored another role for "credibility," and produced a result that never really served to help the town.

He also defended BOTH NHAM AND SINGER (Post 439 and Post 515 respectively), and has spent literally the entire game going after probable protown players (Tierce, Glork, Rhinox?). He also showed a strong preference to wanting to lynch redFF over Michel/Sim, and generally backed Sim earlier.

Quag's play is consistent with scum who only threw down against his buddies when he absolutely had to.

Vote: Quag

[Glork]

Also,

Quag

: Why exactly did you target Hoopla with your investigation? In Post 763, you cited Hoopla's 569, but even after that in your Post 580, you listed her as "leaning town." You even responded to her 579, so it's obvious you were reading/paying attention. What exactly made you change to Hoopla and not Simenon, Glork, or Flameaxe -- all of whom were higher on your list?

Furthermore, the sequence of nightkills appears designed to maximize Quag's credibility. The scums picked off every claimed power role except the two claimed gunsmiths and AGar, then inexplicably decided to off Hoopla (Quag's target) instead of killing KoC, Quag, or AGar. Hoop's suspicions really weren't very outstanding -- she wanted Scooby dead over Michel and only acquiesced when redFF became the alternate lynch candidate. Last night's kill is even more puzzling (cue the "Glork is making a play on Quag" counter-argument). With Quag's target down as town, and Quag actually participating while AGar does his best to look like a gambitting Serial Killer by lurking and generally being terrible, why would the scums keep him alive? (Rhetoricsl question by the way, the three possible answers are obvious.)

Like... There's plenty of evidence suggesting Quagscum. People just seem to want to ignore it for whatever bullshit reasons that nobody has actually given.

[Glork]

KoC was the first gunsmith claim. I forgot that, and it makes him pretty likely town unless he and Quag are gambitting together.

[Glork]

You could not be more Dorian.

[Glork]

CES, are you scum?

[Glork]

I refuse to believe that KoC is scum.
I refuse to believe that redFF is scum.
I refuse to believe that Tierce is scum.
I'm not scum.

...so that leaves Rhinox and CES as potential/likely candidates. JD "gave a damn," but as I alluded to several days ago, his "giving a damn" seemed to replace contribution/scum hunting for large periods of time. Rhinox I still kind of flip flop on, but if there are indeed two scums left, he's the other candidate.

I'll go read D1 and D2 (what little of it there was) and see if I can determine anything for sure.

[Glork]

Red, how many scums do you think are left?

Also, a detailed summary of why everyone thinks so-and-so is scum would be helpful. I've also been meaning to get a re-read done, and have generally failed miserably.

[Glork]

Also, I am open to reconsidering the Tierce case. I could actually see JD/Tierce as a rristic possibility, pending checking back on something from D1/D2.

[Glork]

HEY TIERCE, HOW IS THAT READ COMING ALONG?

No.
More.
Fucking.
Excuses.

If I don't see tangible effort in 48 hours, I'm voting Tierce, gunsmith be damned.

[Glork]

CES, how fantastically lucky is it that KoC's predecessor fake-claimed 1-shot Gunsmith during the D1 mass claim before a now-deceased protown 1-shot gunsmith?

Why exactly do you think KoC is scum? What do you think motivated bv310 to claim 1-shot Gunsmith during the D1 massclaim?

[Glork]

Hmm. Glork suggests CES/Rhinox near start of day. Rhinox states that he can't see himself voting for CES.

Hmm.

[Glork]

I'm l drunk. But CES's assessment has some merit.

[Glork]

I extend inactivity beyond the borders of the impossible, and Glork still doesn't vote me. After saying he would do so--I present something that is a waffly analysis of some players with one single concrete position, and

that

is content enough for him? It should have raised red flags as a dismissive way to get him off my back, it talked about a Townread that is in no danger, and he just takes it.

Town Glork would have been on me in a flash.

VOTE: Glork

Tbh I haven't bothered to read what you posted and you did pick up your activity within my 48 hour mandate. Also, I'm visiting singer/quadz in Arizona, so yeah. Priorities.

[Glork]

Btw I'm fine with No Lynch today. Also, Tierce, I wouldn't consider you scum unless you were scum

with KoC

. It's far more likely that your period of inactivity and your self-proclaimed awful analysis would be co-dependent. But hey, let's argue hypotheticals rather than if ding scum. That's cool.

[Glork]

KoC, why aren't you voting CES if all you've done today is take little potshots at him about "what Quag said" would happen. It sounds suspiciously like you're trying to drum up suspicion on him in a premeditated fashion without actually committing yourself.

Who is MOST likely to be scum? Who's second most likely? How's my scums are left?

[Glork]

Tierce, do you really think a vote on me is useful at this point when we're mere hours from deadline and nobody else has really expressed any suspicion of me? Do you want to achieves lynch today?

[Glork]

That makes things decidedly easier. Now if red and Rhinox could get in here, we'd have a plan in place for the win.

Also, 5 players voting for 5 different people at this stage in the day/game is rather hilarious.

Vote: No Lynch

Really curious to see who gets killed tonight. I have a guess I know who it'll be, but still.

[Glork]

Because she's not scum, she's just bad.

[Glork]

Meh. If it's CES+Rhinox, gg.

Vote: KoC