For those who don't know us we're a hydra account with the heads being Regfan and Empire (Satire). We've already caught up and had a discussion about most of our reads, there's about two or three reads that we're somewhat less sure on and want to do some meta research into but that'll have to wait a little bit.
Anyway here's where we're at right now (If you want anything explained in more detail just ask):
Town (Strongest to Weakest):
Jason
should never have fucking been voted. This dude is literally the-most-obv-town player I have ever come across. Ever. The fact that he even got one vote let alone multiple is shockingly disgusting. For those too blind to see it themselves or too caught up pushing on him out of play style annoyance here's what you've missed; The fact that he 'was going through' C+B and found a post he disliked at 1:19PM then had 'opinions' at 1:59PM proves he was scumhunting and reading peoples ISOs for 40 minutes on page 4, scum do not do that. Scum do not spend forever going through peoples posts only to make an 'opinion time post' to follow it. The fact that he stated that he spent too long doing it and it delayed everything else he had to do shows commitment that town give and his "It was difficult enough to try and justify mythoughs rather than just state what is my gut instinct." is so unbelievably genuine that it's not funny.
DemonCores
placement of the Piggy vote and case against her is literally spot on, the fact that she changed her stance on Jacob and then made up a 'slip' is incredibly damning and his paranoia of RedCoyote when he replaced in is legitimate and comments of 'Dropping of scumlist' 'Moving up townlist' are big town-tells.
PlanBs
reads and scumhunting is incredibly genuine as is the fact that he's shown he's willing to re-think reads and actually go over things again. We can explain this read in more detail if needed but think it's relatively obvious he's town.
RedCoyotes
normally extremely difficult to read and probably who we regard as one of the stronger scum players on the site but we're fairly sure we've correct on him being town in this game. We tend to find he's a bit more 'detailed' into things as scum and plays a weaker game as town and his catch up post this game sort of resembles his town manner of catching up. We pretty much like all of his reads and stances with the only exception being Jacob but Empire was telling me he said "As town he loves to push people who are indecisive" and thinks that's the case here with Jacob. Also love his interactions with Plan B.
Empkings (Theamateur)
replace in post of reads mirrors a lot of our thoughts, that being the fact that Jacob is obvobvtown and should never have been voted alongside Piggy/UT-Scum. His "Seriously Thea" is a pretty strong town-tell and Theams "Not seeing what Senaji did that makes him mafia" mirrors his stance on RVS from Scummies Mafia where he was town and caught a lot of flak from it, don't think it's something he'd do as scum.
4nxietys
read on Jacob as well as his thoughts on Senjai come across as very genuine. His comment of "If I die look at Doom" is the sort of comment I state as town a lot and seen a lot of townies do it in the past whereas it's something scum rarely state so naturally.
Adorkable is interesting. We both kept saying "Yeah Adorkable is town" "That post reads as town" on AIM to each other when reading through the thread but going back and ISOing them I'm not anywhere near as sure about this town-read as I was before. Think the main reason we found them town was that their push on Piggy was good and their tone and attitude when reading through the thread comes across as town.
Dooms early early game posts were quite bad but we think it just took him a while to get into the game as after then his reads and thoughts were a lot easier to follow and somewhat understand, wanted to do some meta research into him and in fact I'll put an (*) here to remember to do it later.
Nero Cains
annoyance with Senjai feels very genuine and the manner in which he claimed also reads as genuine, there's a few more minor things pointing towards him being town but biggest issue was in DVs last mini normal he had a jailkeeper, not a roleblocker and if he is the type to prefer town JK I somewhat doubt a town roleblocker.
Any potential way we can find out who reviewed the setup at all?
Overall though I still lean towards him being town but don't take that to the bank.
F-16 (C+B)
is probably one of our weakest town reads by far, pretty much revolves around their push on Piggy looking like they genuinely believe she's mafia, will be wanting to really go back and take a re look at this read though.
Scum (Strongest to Weakest):
Piggy
couldn't be any more obvscum, first of there's the fact that when I was reviewing DVs mini normal he wanted a Mafia Watcher in the setup and didn't get it because the setup was too scumsided at the time which means him wanting to stick one into this game is massively massively likely. Then there's the fact that her turn around on Jacob is massively opportunistic since he was the counterwagon, not just that but what she said was a 'slip' isn't even close to one, it's the sort of thing scum use to push fake cases all the time. Then she claims and states
Post 274 "If people start lynch claimed PRs, with no counterclaims, I'm honestly going to stop playing mafia." when getting voted which is AtE but then when NeroCain claims later as a roleblocker she pushes his lynch, it's a massive massive contradiction and shows that she's literally lying between her teeth.
ToonFighter
really shouldn't have anyone having a town-read on him, he's also relatively obvious mafia and the fact that he hasn't really been legitimately pushed yet is shocking. We kept saying on AIM when discussing the game "Why the fuck aren't people turbolynching this dude" and it's a question that I really do want answered. He voted Senjai very early on, then used something that happened after his vote as justification for his vote, then used something after that even as justification for his vote and kept changing his reason behind why his vote was there, it was blatant 'do action, think of reasons to cover up action'. Not just that though but his
Post 98 is so waffly that it's not funny, it's 'what you did makes me think you're more likely town but what you also did makes me think you're more likely mafia so I'm keeping my vote on you" it's not a town mindset, it's not a legitimate scumhunting thought process at all. He then jumps on Jacob when the wagon there is growing from memory then says that Piggy is bad and needs more opinions then states that "I'm expecting good reasons for moving my vote to piggy. But, for what I've seen so far, I'd be happy to put my vote on her." in
Post 221 which is literally saying "If I have to buss my partner I will" progresses to state intention to hammer if no claim, then she claims and he jumps right of it stating that he's willing to believe her for a day but when Nero claims it's the opposite, he wants the lynch today. The double standards that he shows there makes it incredibly obvious of a Piggy-Toon scum-team.
UTs
done nothing other than prod-dodge and filler post which matches his scum meta to a tee. If you're interested in the meta here it is
Abart, Scum, Lurking/Fluff Posting/Replaced,
Almost Normal, Town, Very Active / Some Fluff Posting and
Flash Mafia 3, Scum, Lurking/Replaced so you can tell a massive difference between the amount of effort and energy he puts forward in town games in comparison to scum games and right now he's meeting his scum meta, needs to be hung very soon.
N
is probably my biggest wrench-in-the-works read at the moment. To put it very simply his content and posts have been atrocious and he looks as if he's trying to slip under the radar as much as possible rather than actually scumhunt but the problem is he doesn't fit with my other scum reads. Like not at all. I'm relatively confident that Piggy/Toon are scum, like would bet on it at the moment and the fact that after Piggy was run up and claimed Toon voted N and N voted Toon points against them being a trio. Scum don't buss when a partner is already run up, not like that. I know this is a tin-foil-hat sort of theory at the moment but 15 player game doesn't work with 5-6 scum and with 4 scum it's too few so I'm thinking we're dealing with 4 scum and SK and I think Ns play works exactly as a SK. Know it's a high ask but want him roleblocked or investigated or something soon if two kills start happening.
Very very happy with either a Toon or Piggy lynch today. Other gets lynched tomorrow followed by a UT lynch and then a N lynch if there's multi-kills happening. This needs to be stuck to, don't want to die and watch a town failure occur when all three/four of them are fairly obvscum. Also if Jason ever gets lynched then we're going to hunt down whoever votes him and murder them in their sleep, same goes if DC gets lynched.
Unvote, Vote; PiggyGirl
