Mini 1393 - Oh, what a year!

[Thor665]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4473928

There - that should head off your 'but where's the case' immediate next reply after another few days of lurk.

[Empking]

Vote Count 7

Metalmarsh89 (5) - Lord Voldemort, Dunhamganger, charter, projectmatt, Bacde
AngryPidgeon (3) - CooLDoG, Sonja, Slandaar
denisatp (2) - Smashbard, Thor665
Thor665 (1) - denisatp
Charter (1) - AngryPidgeon
Smashbard (1) - Metalmarsh89

Not Voting:

[Metalmarsh89]

Voting is THE way to get answers and defenses for peoples votes and actions through pressure. If I see someone say something scummy Day 1, I'm going to vote for them. Day 1 is going to inevitably end in a lynch based off of WIFOMY evidence, weak cases, conjecture, gut reads and wild guesses with no real evidence to go off on. It's the INTERACTIONS' from Day 1 that matter. And it's going to be a lot easier for the players in this game to see where I stand when they can see where my vote has been.

Unvote, vote smashboard

Let's see what kind of response you give (though I do completely agree with your post).

Here is the scum.

Vote Metalmarsh

On top of this contradiction of a post, all his posts are pretty much wallflower posts.

The Thor and AngryPidgeon argument is a colossal waste of time.
Thor, your read on metal? Your read on Bacde?
Smash, anything to say other than raging about how you weren't labeled town?

Why do you want Thor's read? Are you mafia and looking for the opinion of a townie to try and back your claim?

My post may seem like a contradiction, but that's because you don't understand what I was saying there, or you're digging to hard for a reason.

It's day 1, nothing wrong with a few 'wallflower posts'

[Metalmarsh89]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4473928

There - that should head off your 'but where's the case' immediate next reply after another few days of lurk.

Oh I read it, but it's not much of a case, at least half of it isn't.

[Metalmarsh89]

Vote Count 5

AngryPidgeon (4) - CooLDoG, charter, Sonja, Slandaar
Smashbard (4) - AngryPidgeon,

projectmatt, Bacde

, Metalmarsh89
Metalmarsh89 (2) - Lord Voldemort, Dunhamganger
denisatp (2) - Smashbard, Thor665
Thor665 (1) - denisatp

Not Voting:

Vote Count 7

Metalmarsh89 (5) - Lord Voldemort, Dunhamganger, charter,

projectmatt, Bacde

AngryPidgeon (3) - CooLDoG, Sonja, Slandaar
denisatp (2) - Smashbard, Thor665
Thor665 (1) - denisatp
Charter (1) - AngryPidgeon
Smashbard (1) - Metalmarsh89

Not Voting:

Ooh, bandwagon hoppers!

[Dunhamganger]

Wow, you caught bandwagoners 7 pages into a game you sure are good/skilled/important/useful.

Vote stands. Hunt scum please.

[AngryPidgeon]

"For someone who has read my town games and found me immediately town in them I am forced to feel you're lying to me when you mention my 'serious' vote as though it means anything. What is your usual read of my opening 'serious' vote when I'm immediate obv. town?"

When I accused you of PLing me you mean? Apparently you are claiming you WERE serious, so I don't see what your point is. And I had no idea why you were voting me. I figured it could just be an RVS wagon for the hell of it, or a PL, or maybe you thought that someone else voting me was doing so too knowingly, IDK! I wanted to bring it up, so I did.

And FFS, I'm not a database. I skim games. I couldn't tell you how your opening votes were in those games and I don't care. I just wanted some clarification on your vote since it was evidently 'serious' >.>

[AngryPidgeon]

Meh, and now Im kind of seeing the metal votes.

[Lord Voldemort]

MM's posts on this page might be the worst series of posts I've ever seen.

[AngryPidgeon]

Yar.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ya, I revoke my Charter suspicions for now. Replace with Metal. That last string of posts was cute. "I didn't know there was a case on me" and you are the leading wagon? Ya.

Dunham can be town. Hi Dunham. Lets actually be buddies this game

I love how he calls out Bacde and PMatt (woah, there is also a Mattp on site) as bandwagoners (implying they are scum), yet doesn't vote them. And no more comments on Smash either (where his vote is). I'd actually be down for a quicklynch here.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Metal

L - 1

[Thor665]

@Metal - I never said it was a brilliant or a bad case, I simply said there was a case on you. Why'd you miss it the first time through?

Meh, and now Im kind of seeing the metal votes.

For anyone doubting my opinion of AP as a policy lynch - I present exhibit A.
Later today or tomorrow he'll be calling Metal obv. town.

@AP - I grok that you aren't a database, but I do 'serious' votes in literally every game I play. So for you to call it out while also claiming that you can read me when I'm town makes me wonder how much you have read me at all. Thoughts?

@Voldemort - specifically what is bad with the posts this page from Metal?

[AngryPidgeon]

Thor, I know I play super confident and pushy and over the top. Im in a constant battle to one-up myself, and I need to tone it down, I know. Lets start now:
___________________________________________________________________________________

Plus, you are making me hurt inside. What is YOUR opinion of Metal's response to YOU.

I just explained what was bad about them. Casting implied suspicion on Pmatt and Bacde w/o voting or following up in anyway. His response to the charter was an absolute fence-sit and reads more defensive than anything.

[Thor665]

@AP

1. I asked Metal a question, I'm not going to explain my thoughts at least until I get an answer to that question first. The sheer fact I'm still interacting with Metal should be clue enough that it's a read in progress, and I literally just announced no read on the slot...so...yeah, sit down and wait on that one.

2. Are you Voldemort? No? Sit down and wait then.

Also, though you answered my question to Voldemort you *didn't* answer my question to you.
I may be wroth with rage from that.
Whassup?

[AngryPidgeon]

I thought I did >.>

Wasn't it the question about why I was interested in your 'serious' vote?

Looking....Ya, I cant find any other question in your last few posts. Isn't my 156 what you were looking for?

[charter]

Charter is mainly a scumread for calling us town V town.

Where did I call your back and forth town v town? I said it was a waste of time. I don't find either of you town.

Metal is most definitely scum. AngryPidgeon is looking pretty bad for defending him while there was still a chance of Metal not getting lynched today and then voting me for catching Metal.

Why do you want Thor's read? Are you mafia and looking for the opinion of a townie to try and back your claim?

I want to get a better read on Thor, which I can do by seeing what he thinks on scummy/townish players.

Thor, please explain:

What's the Metal case?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4473928

There - that should head off your 'but where's the case' immediate next reply after another few days of lurk.

[AngryPidgeon]

AngryPidgeon is looking pretty bad for defending him

When did I defend metal? I didn't even really notice him in this game until this page >.>

Unless you mean attacking you, in which case :

Fine, if you think Thor and I are not town, why are our posts useless? Surely there is something in them indicative of alignment?

[charter]

AngryPidgeon is looking pretty bad for defending him

When did I defend metal? I didn't even really notice him in this game until this page >.>

Unless you mean attacking you, in which case :

Fine, if you think Thor and I are not town, why are our posts useless? Surely there is something in them indicative of alignment?

Charter could be scum. Oh, Voldemort too.

Not feeling Metalscum right now

, Slandaar could you explain your Metal scumread?

Your posts are useless banter severely clogging up the thread. I saw nothing between you two indicative of alignment, did you (I don't really see a definitive read one way or another from you on Thor)? I don't actually care to debate this point any further since it's entirely irrelevant and you're just trying to use it to try and save a little face because your vote was so bad.

[Thor665]

I thought I did >.>

Wasn't it the question about why I was interested in your 'serious' vote?

Looking....Ya, I cant find any other question in your last few posts. Isn't my 156 what you were looking for?

It may have been.
But look again at Post 161.

I know you answered the question in the part labeled @Voldemort - but look closer at the part labeled @AP and there *might* be a question there. I dunno, I do tend to randomly toss question marks on the ends of things.

@Charter

Link me to the point where, when Bcade votes Metal, he says that your case is awesome and he's sheeping it.
No?
Well, is that link to a case Bcade made?
No?
Did Bcade even explain his Metal=scum reasoning when he voted?
No?
So maybe I still think he should put into words the Metal case, yeah?
Yeah.

[charter]

So your what's the metal case was referring to Bcade's vote only?

[Thor665]

@Bacde - how terrible, people think you're town. Woe unto thee!
What's the Metal case?

Nah, I just parsed it like that for lulz. I really meant it at you.

[AngryPidgeon]

That seems like a rhetorical question Thor. The bullshit line is up there ^^^. Im toning myself down.

"I dunno, I do tend to randomly toss question marks on the ends of things."
Me too, sometimes?

And "Not feeling metalscum" thrown into a random stream of thoughts...that is pretty bold to call that a metal defense.

[charter]

It doesn't matter to me, I'm fairly certain Metal is going to flip scum, and you're making the case to lynch you next even easier for me.

[AngryPidgeon]

I see. Im going to take post 172 as a scum claim. Regardless of Metal's alignment.

[Bacde]

Bcade here. Thor I'll have you know that plenty of people have given me a townread, despite my protests.

I'm not gonna lie, you guys are really filling up this game with a LOT of words that don't really help anyone actually find scum. My best example of this is Smashbard posting mafia theory as a defense to his

ACTIONS

in a game. Another great example of this would be AP and Thor uselessly bantering.

In games I've played on epicmafia, the best d1 lynches are wallflower lynches (actually epicmafia is a LOT more claims-based than mafiascum, but in the lack of claims its best to lynch wallflower posters or lurkers). Metalmarsh is the perfect example of this. He barely posts anything of content, and when confronted about it he makes a half-assed argument against me and projectmatt just because we changed our minds. Oh did I mention he didn't even switch his vote? He's hoping that other people will find the scumreads after he just diverts the attention away from himself. I think charter pretty much summed up the original argument when he caught Metal's post that said "I agree with you completely but I want to vote you just to put the pressure on", and he hasn't started looking better since.

Thor if you want me to write a 1000 word essay about "Why I think metalmarsh is mafia" I'm sorry, you are just not going to get it. What I've written above is what my gut tells me. If you don't see why Metalmarsh is seriously scum then you just aren't trying.

I'm not hiding the fact that I'm hopping bandwagons. In fact, I want everyone to see it, and hopefully jump with me. I actually like bandwagons. Can we please get someone to hammer metalmarsh already? We are going to lynch him today.