Elo wrote: I'm not exactly sold on the MagnaOfIllusion case, but i want a lynch. Unvote: pidgey, Vote: MagnaOfIllusion
Anyone in the pool snifit / pidgey / Ascomist would have my full support. There are other decent possibilities i could get behind.
Interesting that instead of pushing for either of the candidates you full support (pidgey, Acos) you choose instead to basically sheep a case (which is a joke, BTW) aren’t ‘sold on’. Noted.
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Mastin’s ‘case’ (and I use the term loosely here) in
Post 2225 is quite funny and can be summed up as laughable as
1. It uses OMGUS as a scum-tell. And to make it more comical his premise is that I’m OMGUSING Mykonian when I vote and presented scummy play by him and Mykonian only actually said anything other than “You are scum” after I nailed him.
2. It’s buzzword bingo – look how often the word discredit appears. Then read my ISO – he’s labeling anything where I question someone as discrediting since it is buzzword with negative connotations.
3. He’s not interested in looking at motivations. For example he ‘dings’ me for OMGUSing Nero for
this post where I question why he calls me scum but isn’t voting me since his vote is idle. That’s very Pro-Town play and yet he tries to spin it as a scum-tell.
4. He’s again hoping that repeating things that aren’t even close to true (that I’m not scum-hunting, that I’m obv-Scum) is going to sway votes. Not Town-oriented behavior at all.
As a reminder – look at the timing of his attack. It comes right after I call out Mykonian for being scummy.
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Now let’s put all the things I’ve pointed out about mykonian in one nice post so it is easy to reference.
Point 1
– treatment of the Tammy wagon
AngryP first brings this up but I want to revisit it clearly – mykonian’s play around the Tammy wagon doesn’t make any sense as being from a Town motivated perspective.
He first
votes Tammy based on the Guilty by Benmage.
He unvotes at
Post 1268 for the following reasons –
unvote
Well, this one is easy to figure out. Tammy gets shot in the face within a day: she wasn't the dayvig. Someone else gets shot: she is!
I think benmage might want to fullclaim before he's shot (so if you are town tammy, please don't act too quickly)
So he believes that her “I’m the Dayvig” claim is enough to not lynch her via testing.
I also want to bring up
Post 1283 where Mykonian says the following –
nero, if tammy is town, that's a flat out fakeclaim from ben, and he isn't taking it back in any form. She should shoot that if she's town.
So he’s discussing with Nero the possibility that if she is Town Benmage is fake-claiming and should be shot. Contrast that with his
Post 1971 where he calls me scummy for upon replacing in specifically asking Benmage to confirm for me that it wasn’t a gambit as I’ve seen him make in the past. There is clearly disconnect there. He himself questioned Benmage’s veracity (in saying it was a fake-claim from Ben) at one point in the process yet calls me scummy for doing the exact same thing. Strong Cognitive Dissonance.
Now back to his play re: the Wagon …
He revotes Tammy as shown –
yeah, I wasn't at my strongest yesterday. Should have filtered a bit more. Sorry about that, I was working a bit sleep deprived.
Benmage is right. If tammy was town, she'd have shot him. Tammy however in her posts already gave up. She claims she'll act town motivated, which I believe, I guess.
The problem is still that she makes the last choice (as she did with thadmiral here), which wasn't the choice of a majority of town. I'm doubtful that she'll act like a second lynch.
If it's indeed day-sk/one scumteam, we should lynch her today, or in two days, to end up at a uneven number. After that, the fact that the SK is gone simply means more mislynches for us as there are less townies getting shot.
I think I'm taking the 50% shot at scum tammy. I don't think you'll hit that 50% if we give you two more kills.
vote tammy
The bold is what I want to address. That is exactly my thought process that others (specifically Mastin who is chainsawing for him) are calling scummy – that killing off the Serial Killer now leaves Town more chances to lynch successfully with an elongated time frame for Cops / VCA / every other analysis trick in the book. And it is clear he has considered the leashing angle given the first sentence I bolded and decided it was not the best course of action.
Secondly I want to address this line “we should lynch her today, or in two days, to end up at a uneven number”. I’ve already addressed how the ‘uneven’ argument is statistics masturbation as opposed to anything to even consider Day 2 in a Large Theme (given the many variables that render lining up Evens / Odds Day 2 meaningless) but let’s set that aside. He specifically says that he wants the Day Tammy is lynched to end up on an uneven number. There are 18 players alive right now. The lynch will put us at 17 – uneven.
Next look at
this post –
Hey, it does.
Cool. Lets have this whole discussion again tomorrow.
vote pidgey I didn't forget about you!
He agrees with Tammy saying lynching her keeps it on evens. Actually it doesn’t. It puts at at Odds (17) and working on the ‘Single Mafia Team’ theory Town would stay at Odds with each Nightkill. So his reasoning for not voting her doesn’t line up to the easy to determine facts (number of players alive).
Let’s fast forward to
later on when he says the following –
Pretty sure I asked for a single shot. Stop strawmanning MoI.
Nope. The bolded above clearly shows he said “either lynch her today or in TWO days”. So he’s contradicting himself again in scrambling to say I’m Strawmanning.
Summary
– Mykonian’s actions (not wanting to lynch Tammy today) don’t back up the posts he made surrounding her wagon (that he wants to end the Day on Evens, that he doesn’t believe she can be leashed). That's Cognitive Dissonance which is a strong scum-tell.
Point 2
– Treating me as Town while calling me scum.
After I pointed this out Mastin tried to unsuccessfully use it against me so we know it is a valid tell.
Post 2154 could not be more clearly be aimed at a Town player.
MoI, I heard stuff about you, and I expected more from you tbh. I'm pretty sure I've considered every possible way this could go, posts about it are all over the place in between normal play.
The fact that Tammy is a claimed SK puts this beyond "hurr durr there is a guilty we lynch it". It allows you to think for once. I suggest you try it, it seems thinking makes you more clever.
Read the first part. He’s saying “He you should be playing better than this and suspecting me”. That’s not something you say to Scum. Scum want mislynches and seeing what you think is a ‘subpar’ opinion coming from them shouldn’t be met with “Hey, be better”. It should be met with “Scum pushing on me poorly, lulz” (you know, like my response to Mastin). So Mykonian is addressing me as Town yet supposedly thinks I’m scum (though at this stage the only reason in his ISO to support that is
Post 1971 which is a generic “Oh, you scum”).
The second sentence is more Point 1 contradiction – he’s saying the Serial Killer isn’t a ‘hurr durr’ lynch a guilty but his own posts indicate he should be lynching her today.
I have several more points to make (for example, he’s totally into pidgey as scum … look at all the posts pointing it out … now
it is also a trap where he was hoping to get called out on attacking pidgey and find scum also) but this post is long enough and I need lunch.
Suffice it to say Scumykonian should eat Rope tomorrow after we get rid of SK-Tammy today.
"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
Pretty much Geriatric game restricted at this point ... unless there are players I REALLY want to play with.
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(I said "an idea for PGO that would be MGS theme 
