Micro 66 - Robo's F11 (Game Over)

[Cheery Dog]

It's based off 2 posts in different games and PM's playstyle being vastly different when he is scum as far as I'm aware.

[Mitillos]

@Cheery: Notice how in the game you linked, he started with more activity and then when he wasn't active, he asked to be replaced. Note how this is not the case this time. The case against PMyst is not simply that he didn't vote during RVS. There's far more to it.

@Nacho: You're right that you won't convince me. I have a fairly solid town read on Violet. Also, I still don't see how you have a town read on PMyst. I agree that Riggs is almost as bad, particularly with his latest post, but I'd like an explanation on that.

@Riggs: What was the point of quoting post 595?

[Mitillos]

EBWOP: Oh, I see, you messed up the tagging or the spacing, or something. Carry on. With some reads, if you please.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

@Cheery: You said you ignored half of it and heavily implied that the parts you did read was masked by your confirmation bias. Of course your town read on Vio wouldn't change.

I did actually read the whole post, it just may have gone straight through my head because of the possible confirmation bias.

Anyway I'm going to share that http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=23318 is the reason I still have my town read on PM. (by PM's first post in it only, haven't read any other parts of it) + another game where he voted undecided where he has flipped vig but it is still ongoing.

So, you are just going to assume that because PM did the same thing in that game as this game, he is town? That isn't a very reliale read. I once did the same thing as scum soon after I joined the site because I had done it before and everyone called me town for doing so. I then got lynched in both games. I'm just saying if you have a town read on PM based on that ONE post, it isn't a very reliable read.

Riggs, I see you. Claim.

I wasn't aware I was at L-1

Sorry about. Fixed it now

[Cheery Dog]

@Cheery: Notice how in the game you linked, he started with more activity and then when he wasn't active, he asked to be replaced. Note how this is not the case this time. The case against PMyst is not simply that he didn't vote during RVS. There's far more to it.

I did say I hadn't read into the game, I only looked at it as I was trying to work out what him voting undecided was most likely to mean.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

You're not. But we're a few hours to deadline, and it's going to be PM or you.

Fine. I'm

the jailkeeper

a vanilla townie


I still think PM is scum, espicially now that I hear he's V/LA until after deadline (too much of a coincidence) and avoiding this thread lots

CD is still next on my list due to stuff I mentioned earlier and some new stuff

Shouldn't in be 8!/2!(8-2)! if you're in the game since you know yourself to be town?

This was just thrown in the page. The matter was already done. There wan't anything to gain by posting this. Also, they were discussing total combinations

I'll tell you why, if we're lynching lurkers, that I rather a GNR one rather than a PM one after the game finishes, but the reason right now is anti-town to be saying it.
(I feel that's it's antitown to even be saying this much, but the reason is entirely contained within PM's first post)

If you felt it was anti-town to say it, why did you say it at all? We know you have a town-read on PM, it wouldn't be a surpirse if you didn't vote PM.
Then he posts why PM is a town read (and I've already covered that part)

Mala still looks town to me

Thor still town

tracey seems town

Not so sure on violet. I understand where tracey is coming from with her case on vio, but I don't see it as a strong enough reason to switch my vot to vio at the moment

nacho, not so sure either. I think nacho is town, but some of his last couple of posts have been odd (could just be his playstyle). His vote seemed to come out of nowhere, he then later explained. Also, calls it anti-town for me to say that PM is at L-1, but doesn't raise eyebrows at Mala doing the same thing? That doesn't seem right

Milltos still town

[Nachomamma8]

@Nacho: I just... What the hell.

We will not convince Mala. We will not convince Cheery. We will not convince Mitillos. We cannot depend on PM or GNR because they are lurkers and will not be back before deadline. Thor will switch, but that only gives us 3. Which means that even if a MIRACLE comes up, we will not get a Vio lynch today and thus further pushing is useless. He will die tomorrow, I pinky promise. But I need you to play the compromise game now.

Fffff fine.

I don't understand your jump on Riggs over PM, Nacho. I still don't think PM is likely to flip scum, but at least Riggs has provided more content than PM.

he has
his content has been scummy
you can read that big wallpost I made

Not so sure on violet. I understand where tracey is coming from with her case on vio, but I don't see it as a strong enough reason to switch my vot to vio at the moment

hi tracey

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

What is that suppossed to mean?

[Mitillos]

@Riggs: Actually, I think post 531 was really good. If anything, it pointed out that Violet was counting himself as a possibility in the combinations for possible scumteams. Not a major potential scumslip, because it can be attributed to simply talking about theory, instead of this specific game. Alternatively, CD just threw it out there, specifically for people to see Violet as scumslipping, but now we're entering WIFOM territory, and I don't like alcohol.

In other news, I'm starting to see Riggs the same way Tracey said she saw me earlier. That is, I think he's slightly scummy, but I'm starting to think it may be more just his posting style, than anything else.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

@Riggs: Actually, I think post 531 was really good. If anything, it pointed out that Violet was counting himself as a possibility in the combinations for possible scumteams. Not a major potential scumslip, because it can be attributed to simply talking about theory, instead of this specific game. Alternatively, CD just threw it out there, specifically for people to see Violet as scumslipping, but now we're entering WIFOM territory, and I don't like alcohol.

I didn't say that 531 is a bad post. I just think that right now, there are bigger fish to fry

[Nachomamma8]

Also, I still don't see how you have a town read on PMyst. I agree that Riggs is almost as bad, particularly with his latest post, but I'd like an explanation on that.

Three more posts and GNR will have doubled his post count for the day, and all because he has a pretty good chance of dying now.
PM apparently went on a fake V/LA to lurk away the pressure, but that's not how PM deals with pressure as scum. He posts a lot, no reasoning. Sort of exactly what GNR is doing now.

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Also, I still don't see how you have a town read on PMyst. I agree that Riggs is almost as bad, particularly with his latest post, but I'd like an explanation on that.

Three more posts and GNR will have doubled his post count for the day, and all because he has a pretty good chance of dying now.
PM apparently went on a fake V/LA to lurk away the pressure, but that's not how PM deals with pressure as scum. He posts a lot, no reasoning. Sort of exactly what GNR is doing now.

I'm not posting because of a possible lynch. I just don't feel like doing homework and the deadline is under 5 hours away

[TraceyLyn11]

@Nacho: I reread your wall post (or at least the part on Riggs). I don't... Know how I feel about him. I feel like he's more likely to flip scum than PM, but then again we'd actually get

some

sort of content from him in later days. Not to mention to get a wagon on Riggs up to a lynch today is very unlikely.

I don't know what I should do right now. Will think on this.

[Nachomamma8]

Not to mention to get a wagon on Riggs up to a lynch today is very unlikely.

Thor+You+one of mala/mitillos/violet at deadline
crazier things have happened

[Thor665]

I'm here, frankly I'm fine with all of you dying by this stage.

In GNR gets a third vote I'll move.
If Vio gets three votes I'll move.
Or I can lynch PM.

[Thor665]

Actually, let's do this;

Unvote: PMysterious
Vote: Violet

Let's not leave that hammer in his hands.
I still hold my movability as previously discussed.

[TraceyLyn11]

Actually, let's do this;

Unvote: PMysterious
Vote: Violet

Let's not leave that hammer in his hands.
I still hold my movability as previously discussed.

yaaaaay

Just three more votes... *crosses fingers*

[Cheery Dog]

If you felt it was anti-town to say it, why did you say it at all? We know you have a town-read on PM, it wouldn't be a surpirse if you didn't vote PM.
Then he posts why PM is a town read (and I've already covered that part)

I said it to try and explain why I have the town read on PM.
I then linked the post because I still don't want PM lynched today, and just speculating that I have a reason that I believe to be anti-town is less anti-town than having him lynched if what I believe is true.
But we do need a claim out of him.

[TraceyLyn11]

We're running low on time. No one is coming to an agreement. Half of you are lurking.

VOTE: PM
Someone hammer.

[Nachomamma8]

Unvote, Vote: PM

at least with him out of the way mitillos's vote will free up

[Thor665]

Unvote: Violet
Vote: PMysterious

I think Nacho was hammer.
If he wasn't then I'm happy to be the hammer.
If PM is scum I am dead serious that you should all lynch Nacho tomorrow.
Don't think this is a random Thor commentary - ruddy do it.

[Cheery Dog]

I still think you made a bad choice.

[TraceyLyn11]

Unvote: Violet
Vote: PMysterious

I think Nacho was hammer.
If he wasn't then I'm happy to be the hammer.
If PM is scum I am dead serious that you should all lynch Nacho tomorrow.
Don't think this is a random Thor commentary - ruddy do it.

Explaaaaaaain.

Also, wow. You guys both got here ridiculously fast after I made my post.

[TraceyLyn11]

I still think you made a bad choice.

Well duh. But better than a no lynch. Or were you thinking otherwise?

[Thor665]

Explain which - hammer or Nacho suspicion?

Hammer - for the lulz and because I hate you all.

Nacho - because he went from defending the slot as obv. town to lynching it to free up the might prowess of Milquetoast as though that was a drastic issue he'd described as needing to be done.