Micro 66 - Robo's F11 (Game Over)

[TraceyLyn11]

Bloody knew it.

I always just want to pet your avatar. It just looks so SOFT

Anyways.

[Robocopter87]

A lynch has been reached or something.

Can't do this right now, have a frikkin research paper to write.

I have the week off after tomorrow so I'll be around for sure this week. But can't do it right now.

[Thor665]

That is how derp phases start.

@Cheery - whut?

@PM - Looks like you still have time though - last reads, chop, chop, make it happen.


TraceyLyn11 [2] Violet, Cheery Dog
Cheery Dog [1] Malakittens
PMysterious [3] Thor665, Mitillos, Guy_Named_Riggs
Violet [2] Nachomamma8, TraceyLyn11

Violet wagon dissolved to become the rest of the PMysterious wagon.
Cheery is working hard to take town cred for this. Sat on useless side lynch the entire time though.
Nacho is less bad with a town flip, don't see him as scum quite wanting to do that...though he probably knows enough about me to know I think likt this since we just had a game end where I made the exact same type of value call. Eh - null.
Mala and Violet were also intentionally sidelining. Violet did some town predictions, but lesser. I don't recall Mala saying they had a town read on PM at all - will need to check that, potential town reaction there.

Mitillos, Guy_Named_Riggs, Nachomamma8
At least one scum here.
GNR and Nacho are not a likely pair. If one flips scum I'd tend to clear the other.

[Thor665]

2. I'm not saying you freaking out over the hammerer is opportunistic. I'm saying you attacking him for his "reasoning" is.

3. It's not just to me - you seem nicer in general this game.

Huzzah...?

[Thor665]

Went back and looked - Mala was on the PM wagon.
So he can join Nacho, GNR, and Milquetoast in the scum pool.
A GNR/Mala team makes sense.

Need to see if I can figure out any brilliance on Milquetoast.

@Cheery - brief thoughts on Mala, Nacho, GNR, and Milquetoast?

[Cheery Dog]

That is how derp phases start.

@Cheery - whut?

I was going to leave it as if the game ha been locked, but okay.
Look at the link I posted, it wasn't just to do with his alignment from that game.

@Cheery - brief thoughts on Mala, Nacho, GNR, and Milquetoast?

Mala is I don't know what, but probably town.
Nacho is town unless scum with you.
GNR is still probably lurker scum.
Mit is town for now.

[Cheery Dog]

Mit is town for now.

That is, leaning town for those that don't understand me using the terminology of

for now

.

[Violet]

I was going to leave it as if the game ha

been locked, but okay.

Robo didn't lock the thread, and he didn't say "please stop posting", so why would you stop posting? We have the full cast of players and the flip results, this is the best possible situation for discussion because tomorrow two of us will be silenced. Now I'll ask again, why on earth would you intentionally stop posting?

[Nachomamma8]

Why didn't you wait the remaining hours to hammer?

I see no reason to wait when it's become clear there's only one lynch that's going through.

[Robocopter87]

woops forgot thread lock

[Robocopter87]

• Lynch Scene Incoming...

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• TraceyLyn11 [1] Violet
  
• Cheery Dog [0]
  
• Nachomamma8 [0]
  
• Guy_Named_Riggs [1] Cheery Dog
  
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  PMysterious [5] Mitillos, Guy_Named_Riggs, Malakittens, TraceyLyn11, Nachomamma8
  
  
• Malakittens [0]
  
• Mitillos [0]
  
• Thor665 [0]
  
• Violet [1] Thor665

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• PMysterious

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Amount to Lynch

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• With 9 Alive it is 5 to Lynch.

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Deadline

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• 11:59 PM of November 18^th, EST.

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[Robocopter87]

Sick beasts... How can I call these things human? Perhaps the definition of humanity is also inhumanity.

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• You lynched PMysterious, how predictable.
  
  He always sat in the corner, doing things with his hands behind his back. How could you ever trust someone so quiet? Yes the only plausible thing to do was kill him. No wait, that isn't plausible at all. You could've just checked his hands or you could have even possib-- Nevermind. You killed him. And that is that.
  
  What you didn't know was that PMysterious was mysterious due to his attempt to conjure up a medicine that would block death itself. The irony of this heroic attempt is that he was killed for trying to hide.
  
  Yes, it is safe to say you have made an awful choice.
  
  However, do you really have a say in this game I've made if I already have planned what will happen?
  
  Is free will an illusion you are using in order to keep your sanity? Perhaps.
  
  Whatever floats your boat, really.
  
  But for now it is time for you to go to sleep. I promise one of you that this will be the last night you spend on this planet or solar system or whatever you wanna classify yourself as. Fact is, I know which one I speak of. But let me ask you something I have asked myself, am I as cruel and cold hearted as the assassins if I know which will die but do not attempt to prevent the death?
  
  The answer is probably no. I'm p cool. Nighty Night.

PMysterious,

Doctor

, Lynched Day One

Night lasts till 11:59 PM of Friday the 23^rd, EDT. If you have actions, send them in now.

[Robocopter87]

I admit, I may have known this was going to happen, but not that awesomely. This might be getting out of hand...

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• Nacho is outside a building, lighting one up, hes supposed to be asleep but he snuck out.
  
  He hears a clanging and he throws the cigarette to the floor. Snuffin it out with his boot.
  
  A person jumps out from an alley way, judging by the noise there is another one behind him. Bullets fly from both directions, Nacho tucks and rolls onto the street. He breaks into a dash, doing one of those sweet slides over the hood of a car.
  
  The two figures are in hot pursuit doing some ninja backflips after him, firing bullets throughout.
  
  Nacho takes off down the sidewalk but there is no escape, so he takes his fist and slams it into the window of the nearest car.
  
  Keys are still in it. Some people.
  
  Rubber is burned as Nacho rips the street right up.
  
  A quick glance in the rear view mirror shows two motorcycles moving at high speeds towards him.
  
  These guys just won't give up. A bullet shatters the rear view mirror.
  
  Nacho powerslides through an intersection but unfortunately it gives too much and one of the mystery motorcyclists puts a bullet into the back tire.
  
  One of the motor cyclists pulls up on the right and then ahead of the car. Popping the front right tire. Then firing the rest of the clip into the windshield. One of the bullet clips Nacho's shoulder and the car veers to the left, the full force of the car on the bad tires causes the car to go into a full roll. Finally halting after multiple flips.
  
  Nacho crawls out of the car onto the middle of the street.
  
  One of the mystery persons kicks Nacho in the stomach and the force knocks him right onto his back. Then retrieves a handgun from a coat pocket. Briefly aims, then fires. Double tap for good measure.
  
  Two motorcycles start up and speed away into the night.

Nachomamma8,

Vanilla Townie

, Killed Night One

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• TraceyLyn11 [0]
  
• Cheery Dog [0]
  
• Guy_Named_Riggs [0]
  
• Malakittens [0]
  
• Mitillos [0]
  
• Thor665 [0]
  
• Violet [0]

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• TraceyLyn11, Cheery Dog, Guy_Named_Riggs, Malakittens, Mitillos, Thor665, Violet

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Amount to Lynch

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• With 7 Alive it is 4 to Lynch.

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Deadline

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• 11:59 PM of December 15^th, EST.

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[Robocopter87]

It is now Day Two.

[Cheery Dog]

I believe that makes Thor more obvtown than he already was, and if we work off Nacho's suspects, we arrive at GNR and Vio.

I was going to leave it as if the game ha

been locked, but okay.

Robo didn't lock the thread, and he didn't say "please stop posting", so why would you stop posting? We have the full cast of players and the flip results, this is the best possible situation for discussion because tomorrow two of us will be silenced. Now I'll ask again, why on earth would you intentionally stop posting?

Because Robo had declared computer trouble the day before, and was taking his post there to be the lock, we'd already passed deadline, so obviously it was meant to be a lock, and I thought it would be nice of us to not post after the mod had technically ended the day, but forgot to lock it.
His post was telling me "locking thread", even though the action itself didn't occur.

[Thor665]

Thread is never locked unless mod says so or actually locks it. Getting to press the action after lynch is also pro-town.
That said, no real issues with that, I just think you played it poorly.

Vote: Violet

Let's do this.

[TraceyLyn11]

Thread is never locked unless mod says so or actually locks it. Getting to press the action after lynch is also pro-town.
That said, no real issues with that, I just think you played it poorly.

I think I agree with this statement.

Vote: Violet

Let's do this.

Explain?

I do agree, however:
VOTE: Vio

I believe that makes Thor more obvtown than he already was, and if we work off Nacho's suspects, we arrive at GNR and Vio.

Why do you assume the scum were trying to kill off people who suspected them? Why not PRs? Why not based on experience? Why not to cause confusion or WIFOM? Why not randomly? Why not for shits and giggles? Etc., etc. Night analysis cannot be trusted; don't use it.

Why is Thor obvtown?

Also, why no vote?

[Malakittens]

Hmm.

Not really sure, but I'm smelling a scummy CD.

Even though he thought PM was "town" he wasn't really defending him as much. He didn't try to change the direction of the lynch, he didn't make an actual case on his scum reads nor did he try. His counterwagon to PM was to vote Tracey who was his town read before that.

Vote: CD

If you believe that either GNR or Vio are scum based off Nacho's posts why aren't you voting them?

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I disagree with you on NK analysis Tracey. I have seen it work well, but then there has been only one game where it backfired literally on me.


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I want to go review Mit and go recheck his case on PM.

[Cheery Dog]

Why do you assume the scum were trying to kill off people who suspected them? Why not PRs? Why not based on experience? Why not to cause confusion or WIFOM? Why not randomly? Why not for shits and giggles? Etc., etc. Night analysis cannot be trusted; don't use it.

Why is Thor obvtown?

Also, why no vote?

If you believe that either GNR or Vio are scum based off Nacho's posts why aren't you voting them?

Because I don't think the nightkill was just because of that, they're just details that came out of it, and I posted what was there so I could sleep on it, though it hasn't become much clearer to me since then, I doubt they are the scum pair, but my read from yesterday is that GNR is probscum.
VOTE: GNR

Thor is obvtown because he would probably have kept Nacho alive if he were scum to make use of that "case" he had made during twilight.

Even though he thought PM was "town" he wasn't really defending him as much. He didn't try to change the direction of the lynch, he didn't make an actual case on his scum reads nor did he try. His counterwagon to PM was to vote Tracey who was his town read before that.

People who don't post content are almost impossible to defend, and my town read of PM was all pretty much from one

post

, and I'm fairly sure I was trying to defend by means of that one post.

[Malakittens]

Yes, but I felt as if you shared it a little too late. >.>

[Thor665]

Explain?

My case is 'Why not?'
Also - Nacho died.

[Cheery Dog]

Yes, but I felt as if you shared it a little too late. >.>

I'd rather of had not to share it at all.

[TraceyLyn11]

I disagree with you on NK analysis Tracey. I have seen it work well, but then there has been only one game where it backfired literally on me.

Thor is obvtown because he would probably have kept Nacho alive if he were scum to make use of that "case" he had made during twilight.

Explain?

My case is 'Why not?'
Also - Nacho died.

Can someone explain to me how night kill analysis is good when scum have not flipped? You don't know the motives of the scum, it's ridiculous to try and outguess them.

@Mala: Just because it's "worked" doesn't mean you were right about the reasoning. You could say that the scum killed someone because they were suspicious of them, but in reality the scum may have killed them because they thought they were a PR. And who knows, maybe you have gotten lucky before. But night kill analysis is only helpful once a scum has flipped (because, ya know,

you don't know who's making the kill

) or if you know the person so well that you could pretty accurately tell who they would night kill and for what reasons - and even that is faulty.

@Cheery: Explain further, please.

@Thor: 'Why not?' isn't good enough. You had Mala, Riggs, Nacho, and Mit in your scum pool. One had flipped, and he was town. Why aren't you pursuing any of the others? I also find it very hard to believe that your biggest reason against Vio is based on night kill analysis.

[Thor665]

Can someone explain to me how night kill analysis is good when scum have not flipped? You don't know the motives of the scum, it's ridiculous to try and outguess them.

Can you explain to me how night kill analysis requires a scum flip?
You're thinking vote count analysis.

@Thor: 'Why not?' isn't good enough. You had Mala, Riggs, Nacho, and Mit in your scum pool.

Correct.
So?

You are right that probably the entirety of my issue with Vio isn't the NKA - but I think that's enough to start talking about.

[TraceyLyn11]

Can you explain to me how night kill analysis requires a scum flip?
You're thinking vote count analysis.

No I'm not. If you know there is only one scum left, you can look at people for how

they

would make the kill. Still very faulty and WIFOMy, but better than trying to outguess the team when there's not a flip - 'cause then you're trying to outguess two people. And you have no idea who suggested the kill, how willing to participate with the kill each were, etc. For instance. Let's say I make kills solely against people I think are PRs. Then let's say my partner makes kills solely on people who suspect him. But he compromised with what I wanted to do so long as he got to make the kill. And let's say the kill was on someone who had my partner as a strong town read. Well then, people would see the kill and, knowing him, would think that he wasn't scum because the person didn't suspect him.

And that's an example that has concrete "they never do this" or "they always do this". Most people (for fear of meta as well as needing to go with the flow of the specific game) are more flexible and their circumstances depend on key factors in the game. Trying to outguess the mafia's kill is ridiculous and provides nothing good,

especially

when there has not been a scum flip.

Correct.
So?

You are right that probably the entirety of my issue with Vio isn't the NKA - but I think that's enough to start talking about.

So... What happened to them?

So you choose the most WIFOMy of topics to begin a discussion about your apparent scumread rather than starting a discussion based off of less shaky "evidence"? Okay, Thor, okay.