Marketplace Mafia II - Game Over

[Voidedmafia]

Nope, looks good enough to me.

Simply waiting on a draw-up of stuff to bid on, now, I guess.

[StefanB]

Okay 2 are uninteresting.

Blind Bind (not use) and self-watcher (not much use)

The other 4 we want.

[Magua]

Vote Count 5.1

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Guille2015 (2): Mehdi2277, Voidedmafia

Not Voting (10): BBmolla, callforjudgement, Guille2015, SlumberPartyBois, StefanB, DeasVail, PeregrineV, Phillammon, Tammy, N

Deadline is December 14th at 2:00am EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2012-12-14 02:00:00)

[Mehdi2277]

Grave digger is nice. One thing it can do is retrieve the night kill grey bought and died with (he probably won although there's no say to know for sure). I'll start writing a list of money actions in a bit.

[BBmolla]

Yo SPB you guys got my money right

[Mehdi2277]

Player	Bid On	Transfer to
Bois	Night Kill
Voided	Accountant
Tammy	Coroner
Stefan	Gravedigger
N	Self-Wather
Mehdi	Blind Bid
PeregrineV		Bois
Phillammon		Tammy
BBmolla		Voidedmafia

Any complaints or things I might have forgot?

[DeasVail]

Hmm, is Stefan more town than Tammy would you say? or not?

[Mehdi2277]

Stefan is by nature of he essentially created the wagon on MoI and for him to be mafia then he bussed MoI (since the only mafia team alive is MoI's). Although really letting him acquire the nk later is more based on money. I trust myself more then multiple others. I don't have the money to afford the NK. I think stefan has more then tammy (that NK she bought last night costed a lot).

[Mehdi2277]

That and if there isn't a complain and considering we're not at L-2 votes on guille would be nice.

[N]

We need to make sure whoever is bidding on the nightkill and/or the gravedigger had plenty of money, because as we saw from last night scum have plenty of money.

Do we need to advertise anything? The only thing that I can see that we could possibly change about Mehdi's plan is for whoever we decide I'm going to cop n6 to buy the self-watcher (if we want to plan that far ahead).

On that note, am I deciding myself, or are we making a group decision, on who I'm copping tonight?

[Mehdi2277]

You're copping someone from my pool of 5 non trusted. Don't cop the guy tammy shoots. Tammy will shoot philla or pv (which can be decided a bit more). So cop deas, cfj, or the guy not shot from the first two. I'm leaning towards shooting philla since while I remember matt's town read there his current play isn't exactly good at all and I like pv's more consistent attempts to help a bit. So you'll likely want to cop PV, but that isn't sure.

I have a pretty good idea of how much money everyone has (it's easier to guess when you have someone to talk to and actually calculate possible figures from past said amounts). Pretty confident bois can get the NK.

While I could see a small benefit to self watcher being the guy you cop honestly I think of self watcher as a fairly useless role and even there it isn't really that useful. Not even sure how you using cop as expected helps confirm much.

[Tammy]

n - did you get medium? Have you chosen to medium anyone if so? If you did get it, leaving one medium ability open to medium the self-watcher might be a good idea.

Mehdi - it's not a hard and fast site rule that cops can't investigate third parties. If an sk is not investigation immune, and not all of them are, they can be busted by the cop.

So, I was all ready to come in here and discuss how it was possible gulle was town because seanald had to know he'd get lynched and then his results would be called into question and it was very likely that he picked a townie to secure a mislynch. But then guille just rolled over and pulled a Pitty so scratch that. Both Pitty and guile had believable arguments they could have pulled out to try to save themselves and didn't.

I think N and Stefan are for sure town. N by way of Salamance, and Stefan because I don't ever ever see MoI agree to an early bussing of himself on day one when he would probably consider himself most likely the one able to bring his team the win.

I have decently strong townreads on mehdi, dabois and voidedmafia in that order. Any suspicion of any of them is pretty much paranoia based on my end but isn't anything I will entertain at the moment.

I have basically decent town reads of cfj and deasvail. Whatever suspicions I have of cfj are elmo leftovers. Same with deasvail, from his predecessors, but he's playing to his town game...though to be fair I don't know his scum game at all.

I guess leftovers would be Guille, philamon, bb and pere? Of those I want to believe bb is town as his early game and interaction fits his town game more than scum, but his claim makes me a little nervous. Guille well rolled over. The thing I like about philamon is his scum read on dabois; I would kind of imagine him just going with the flow in that. However, and I couldn't mention it before, but in the recently completed American revolution game Phil did not do read lists the way he did here. He gave a list of reads after he was lynched as town but no reads lists while playing. So, I'm wondering about that thing. I guess pere is one of the more less likely in that he argued for Pitty scum, but argued against seanald scum based on us lynchng him to verify results. I think part of my issue with pere is kind of self absorbed as I can't see why he'd have me as null with the need to do further meta research when we've played a few games together and he's seen me as scum and town. I don't think I've been overly active this game and shining brightly like a beacon of innocence though but it still kinda reads off. That and I don't really have a good reason to call him town, and even though I'm usually suspicious of him in the early game, I'm usually veering towards the right way by now.

All up I guess I'd say lynching pere and night killing Phil would be the best choices for determining where to go from here.

[Tammy]

^^^totally should read lynching gulli (not pere)

[Mehdi2277]

Tammy it is in this game where the cop role specifically says it'll get results of Mafia and Not Mafia.

That and voting guille helps kill him. He's at L-5.

[Tammy]

Oh, it sure does. I think that's now four times this game. *maybe one day I'll start reading the rules a little more closely...or at all"

And, I thought he was at l-2

VOTE: guille

[N]

n - did you get medium? Have you chosen to medium anyone if so? If you did get it, leaving one medium ability open to medium the self-watcher might be a good idea.

Yeah, I have 3 mediums that Sala bought; I haven't used any yet. I don't understand what targeting the self-watcher will achieve?

[SlumberPartyBois]

wage freeze is going mehdi, u dont gotta be in a rush to get this lynch through.

[Tammy]

If the self-watcher Is night killed and watched himself that night he'd be able to tell you who killed him. Unless, I'm misunderstanding that role too, which is apparently completely possible.

[Tammy]

Although doing that will ensure the self-watcher is not night killed so idk

[Mehdi2277]

That doesn't work with N buying self-watcher, but that's a quick change. I can buy self-watcher while he buys blind bid.

[Mehdi2277]

That doesn't work with N buying self-watcher, but that's a quick change. I can buy self-watcher while he buys blind bid.

[N]

Medium (Targeted):

Choose another player. If that player dies during this Night or is lynched the following Day, a Ghost Quicktopic will be provided that either of you may talk in at any time until the end of the phase following their death, at which time it will be closed. The dead player will not be given the results of any of their abilities for the Night they died, and they will not be given access to the Dead Quicktopic until the Ghost Quicktopic has closed.

[Tammy]

*sigh*. Someone should really just force me to sit in a corner and not come up with anything *brillaint* until I read the rules and roles. Never mind.

[Voidedmafia]

*sigh*. Someone should really just force me to sit in a corner and not come up with anything *brillaint* until I read the rules and roles. Never mind.

Brilliant*

Don't worry, Tammeh, I like your ideas sometimes.

[Mehdi2277]

That and I forgot that restriction myself. Well anyways N ready to vote guille?