Open 456: Faith Plus One [Game Over]

[Majiffy]

Most of it is opinion (self-explanatory), meta (malleable) or town tells (droppable)

I like my vote.

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 4.1

[2] RedCoyote (Antihero, shos)
[1] shos (Majiffy)

[4] Not Voting (Baseline, Zar, RedCoyote, RachMarie)

With 7 alive, it is 4 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in: (expired on 2012-12-19 08:00:00)

[Antihero]

Baseline reminds me a lot of Llamafluff.

[Antihero]

Fuck this game.

I want to go back and look to see if Antihero and RCs interactions work as partners because at this point if they don't then I have a read wrong somewhere because I'm fairly sure that Shos, Zar and RM are town and think Majjify is town too although it's weaker on him than the others. From a brief look I can see Antiheros vote on RC being an attempt to distance and buss at this point in the game though but I have this afternoon of so I'll spend some time then doing deeper reading into it.

Majjify, please actually go back read and respond to my Post 1048.

Seriously?

you

are

in the tunnel

don't even try to deny it at this point

[Antihero]

will go through this more thoroughly before casting my vote.

yeah, you do that

as much as you like to pay lip service to "usefulness", reading your chunk of text gives me no indication on who you intend to vote for or really what your opinions are

here, let's take a poll, "Who does everyone think Zar's going to vote for, given his last post"?

how everyone thinks your slot is town just boggles my mind

[RedCoyote]

Didn't choose a grey lynch, but I wasn't able to stop it... c'est la vie.

No one has yet been able to properly refute the argument that Abaddon attempted to subvert the City wagon throughout D2, generally refused to touch her with a ten-foot poll, and wasted a copious amount of time with distractions like Dg and shos. Majiffy has done nothing worthwhile since replacing in other than his usual arrogant schtick. Further, he's beating the same shos war drum that

no one

has shown any creditable interest in that I can tell. The players in this slot have intentionally marginalized their play in a false attempt to appear independent, but really they're just wanting to remain useless and stubborn to frustrate the town. This should be the player we lynch today, and it's high time we stop letting him off the hook for being useless in regards to the major issues of the game. No amount of "his claim looked good" is going to prevent me from pushing this wagon hard.

Vote: Majiffy

[Antihero]

Further, he's beating the same shos war drum that no one has shown any creditable interest in that I can tell. The players in this slot have intentionally marginalized their play in a false attempt to appear independent, but really they're just wanting to remain useless and stubborn to frustrate the town. This should be the player we lynch today, and it's high time we stop letting him off the hook for being useless in regards to the major issues of the game. No amount of "his claim looked good" is going to prevent me from pushing this wagon hard.

Well, I'm "beating the war drum" on someone no one is interested in.

just because everyone else is oblivious doesn't mean i'm scum (or majiffy)

[RedCoyote]

That's different. There's call for my wagon. It's unfortunate, but it's there. There's no call for the shos wagon though.

[Antihero]

i'm talking about zar

[RedCoyote]

Yeah, a Zar lynch is pretty silly and you should feel silly for suggesting it (it's almost as bad of an idea as lynching me).

It's no wonder that I suspect you too, Antihero.

[Antihero]

why is it so silly

the only reason you people write him off is because he posts in big chunks

too easily impressed

[Baseline]

Majjify, if you're saying that town-tells that he has aren't town-tells because they're 'droppable' that means that nothing is actually a town-tell because practically everything is droppable so your ignorance of some of the points that make shos obvtown is illogical.

Antihero, I've given you chance after chance after chance to explain your reads and thoughts and sway me or 'pull me out of my tunnel' if you prefer that term and you haven't, you've been literally avoiding doing so, take a look at this post. You're not a bad player, I've seen you put effort into the games as town so there's no excuse for you not explaining yourself in as much detail as possible. All you're doing is playing up an 'apathy' card to unbelievable amount and hoping we'll leave you alive a few days longer. And so what if Zar is posting 'in chunks', my posts are fairly wally too. PS: The Llamafluff comment is funnier than you'll ever know.

RC, I get a lot of your case on the Abaddon slot, I'm just finding elements of both of their play genuine. I'll be doing massive reading into the game hopefully today, was meant to do it yesterday but my brother introduced me to a game called Dota2 and it just ate away at my time.

[Antihero]

And so what if Zar is posting 'in chunks', my posts are fairly wally too.

i'm assuming that's what RC is throwing in my face as some sort of towntell

i'm not saying it's a scumtell, i'm saying that it's a stupid reason to write him off as town

[Antihero]

that question about Zar and who his vote is going on wasn't rhetorical, by the way

i seriously want people to attempt to do it

anyone want to take a gander at Zar's "reads" and see which one isn't mushy?

[Baseline]

I'm pretty sure he's going to end up voting either you or Majjify.

Now can you answer my question to you in the post I linked.

[Antihero]

good guess llamafluff

now, please tell me where he explicitly calls either of us scum in that post ("not enough to clear...", "unlikely to not be mafia"...that's all cool to you? ok....)

Now, RC tends to be a lot more involved as scum; in my initial readthrough, I thought he was kind of posting just enough to get by but i wasn't paying as much attention to what RC was saying, and that's why i wrote him off initially when I talked about the "meta" thing.

I'll repost what I said before under my alt

From reading his posts he seems to be contributing, but it seems like he's addressing the little details instead of approaching the game from a more holistic POV. The only time he seems to attempt this is at the beginning of the game when he made that godawful scumspectrum. I think it's scummy, especially considering RC's town and scum meta. He also seems to love to go after already established targets (Aether, CityElectric). Not saying bandwagoning is a scumtell, but I expect more from RC. And after he gets off the crumbling CE bandwagon, he jumps on buldemar's, who's abrasiveness is really the only thing making him look bad in this game.

Now, CE might have flipped scum, but really that makes him look.... worse considering he ditched the wagon.

[Antihero]

oh, sorry got the phrasing wrong

" isn't relevant enough to clear him " (well, why mention it at all, but that's kind of beside the point)

" seems like a competent player but I currently don't see anything making the slot unlikely to be mafia " (on majiffy)

[Majiffy]

Majjify, if you're saying that town-tells that he has aren't town-tells because they're 'droppable' that means that nothing is actually a town-tell because practically everything is droppable so your ignorance of some of the points that make shos obvtown is illogical.

That's because there really aren't towntells. Look for motivation to find your towns. Content beyond the words.

[Zar]

will go through this more thoroughly before casting my vote.

how everyone thinks your slot is town just boggles my mind

that's because I'm town, thank you very much?

antihero, did I miss some sort of OMG!tell from you that should make us certain you're not scum?

[Antihero]

/wtflook

you first, zar

[Antihero]

oh, wait a second, you think I'm taking issue with your "read" on me

no, i couldn't care less about that

i'm taking issue with this presentation of "nonscumtell, nonscumtell, some reason why he could be down, immediate dismissal of that reason"

i'm more taking issue with the fact that your post gives you room to vote RC, me, or majiffy (all popular targets, btw), but you do not explicitly call any of these people scum or signal intentions

rc, i think you would call it "sticking your finger in the air to see where the wind is blowing" or something like that

[Baseline]

Sorry, my time is being massively eaten up everywhere else. Give me a day or two and I'll get to everything that needs to be done in this game. The time away from this game might actually help me clear my mind and get back with a fresh head.

[Majiffy]

Poast.

[shos]

*sigh* my activity through the site has decreased significantly. I hope this will change soon.

anyways: @antihero: from zar's post I got the feeling that he was going to vote RC or you. I can definitely get behind both of these votes.

[shos]

oh I also wanted to say: Majiffy, you have not presented any valuable content in this game except calling me scum and reducing baseline's thoughts as 'town tells are droppable'. Considering your predecessor, I can also get behind a wagon on you, I guess.