In post 190, Thor665 wrote:I'd even go so far as to say a Rainbow or T12 scum flip would auto clear the other.
And just to play random possibilities advocate, what if we're both town, as unlikely as that is??
In post 191, Rainbowdash wrote: In post 187, Toroid wrote:I had partners? Yes I sheeped Thor on page... three? but since then I've been distancing myself. I'm not just sure about him being town.
... that doesnt sound like anything town would ever say.
"Im distancing myself from Thor".... I just... what? I really dont get how you distance as town, or why you do that, or how... again.
RainbowDash, How does me flipping anything change your opinion on Top12Gun? I don't understand this either? Did you make a mistake and put my name in when you intended to use someone elses?
I really dont think there is a situation where T12 doesnt die tomorrow actually. I die and he is slated for death, you die and he his, Thor dies and he is. The only way I can possibly see T12 NOT being lynched is if Thor not only somehow gets lynched but also is actually scum. Neither of those are happening though so hey, T12 is in all likelyhood tomorrows lynch. If you are scum it just makes it all that much easier to get him lynch.
The very fact that Thor isn't being voted for... kinda makes me suspicious.
Well then, let us see where this goes!
Vote: RainbowDash
Wow... you are able to waffle with only two possible votes you CAN make. Really you actually MIGHT be T12s partner with this post of yours. Thor is suspicious... but guess where you end up for ????? reasons.
Anypony else realize that T12 just voted me essentially for "called me stupid"? Also yes, im actually KNOWN for hardcore defending a player on a gut feeling or single tell day one, ive stopped town lynches quite a few times. Its what I do because my track record of reading town as town is rediculously good, in most games thats how I find scum, working backwards and then going through and putting a case together once I get about half the game who I refuse to lynch.
1. I actually agree with this. Toroid's post brought
this immediately to mind. This makes me think I might be wrong on Thor or Rainbow, and Toroid might be a partner. At this point, I have 3 people I find scummy.
What to do....
2. How the **** does Toroid dying slate me for death?? And for that matter, either you or Thor is scum, and quite possibly both. If scum dies today, I live!! So when you die, if you're the scum I believe you to be, then I don't die tomorrow either. Scum dying changes the whole damn picture.
3. The reasoning behind both of these posts is bad. Toroid should have fleshed his point out a LOT more, and it better have been more than what he said, and you just contradicted yourself re: Thor, unless that was an attempt at paraphrasing Toroid.
4. Perhaps I'm just imperceptive, but I didn't get called stupid anywhere that I can tell, lol, so nope. I voted for you in large part because of the way you acted about my not finding you as scummy for hammering Ace as I would have if you had quick hammered someone else. Look at it this way: If you're town, you understand perfectly why I didn't immediately accuse you: Because Ace acted scummy as all get out, and if you're town, you see the difference in that. If you're mafia, you know you did that for scummy reasons (getting an easy town kill without a ton of heat). As town, it wouldn't cross your mind that your hammering Ace might be scummy or seen as scummy, because you simply look at it from the perspective of "I hammered on someone I thought was scum. Nothing scummy about that." Your argument that there is no difference in your less scummy hammer of TAOS (which I'm actually seeing as more and more incriminating) and say, Devourer hammering Name User in a QL with little to no evidence, is either stupid, or scum. This sounds like I'm creating some false dichotomy, but that's really how I see it...
In post 198, Thor665 wrote:Allow me to spell out the T12 scum line as I grok it.
Sell me that I'm wrong and I'll hammer Rainbow for you for lulz;
1. T12 starts the day voting me with no attention paid to the rest of the game.
2. Rainbow calls out T12 and votes Toroid
3. With no real gain to either the Thor or Toroid wagons T12 reaffirms that he dislikes Thor - oh how awful Thor is. Has no comments about Rainbow.
4. You show up and dig into Rainbow, and attack her - Toroid wagon goes nowhere, Thor wagon is totally dead.
5. T12 (who I think is still calling me scum, I'm not sure) shows up and votes Rainbow for no clear reason.
Okay, so, basically scum T12 never really had a need or a point where the Toroid shift would make sense. He also hopped off me with barely a murmer (his super top suspect) and is suddenly all about Rainbow being dead. WOuldn't *that* be the scum T12 hop, and that would make Rainbow town and Toroid more likely scum?
As a theoretical - Toroid is scum who was put in as an easy "clear" (because, as T12 says, he would have put a buddy in) T12 never discusses Toroid, and doesn't even mention Rainbow's Toroid push as a reason to get Rainbow dead. Goal was to have Toroid just be there relatively quiet while either T12 tunneld Thor into lynch or town lynched Rainbow for 'lulz, speedhammah!'
Thoughts?
1. Wrong. I simply thought you were still scummy, for many of the same reasons.
2. Rainbow's argument makes little sense when examined from the angle of, "If Rainbow is town, she understands why I found her hammer less scummy, because she
didn't
do it for scummy reasons and would thus expect me to view it through that lens. Instead, she isn't comprehending why I don't see it as very condemning, and thus must not have any town reasons for voting Ace (or she would see why I thought it town.) Hence, Rainbow is scum." Try that.
3. I don't dislike Thor, I simply think he's scum (though that opinion is also weakening, with the introduction of the fact that Toroid & Rainbow are also seeming scummy as hell to me.
) And I had no comments about Rainbow because I was sure that if she was town, she would think it through from the above paradigm at least once. The fact that she hasn't by now is a red flag the size of frickin Africa. This is why I'm on her so hard now.
4. Thor wagon is dead because other than Toroid, who I haven't quite got figured yet and made a post I can't understand really.
