Micro 91 - Vengeful Mafia (Game Over!)

[Crazy]

AM not vote someone, right?

My mistake, I thought he had voted Zoidberg. It looks like I misunderstood the meaning of his post, anyway, though.

Also, absolutely no offense, but is English not your first language?

[Crazy]

Eh, that's all WIFOM anyways.

Kind of. But do you really think Tracey is acting deliberately evasive as a ploy to appear town? That seems hard to believe.

I'm starting to see AM's point that you jumped onto a pretty easy lynch. Either you didn't think it through or you're scum.

[Zoidberg]

Eh, that's all WIFOM anyways.

Either you didn't think it through or you're scum.

Uh, the fact that we disagree on interpretation does not mean that I haven't thought it through.

You're basically making the argument that Tracey isn't clever enough to come up with that kind of ploy. Is that an argument you're really comfortable making?

[TraceyLyn11]

Considering I have 16 posts across two pages, I'm going to go ahead and laugh at your idiocy.

Amount of posts is not significant. The content is what matters. Regardless, though, I was referring to how you complained about the slow pace of the game, the lack of content, and the evasiveness but completely ignored my post - which was supposed to help achieve all three of those things.

Okay, Tracey, I'll humor you.

I have no idea why you voted for Lincolm. My first guess was that it was a simple joke. Due to your answers of my questions, I guess that's not the case?

Perhaps you were trying to elicit some sort of reaction? Trying to get someone to jump on you?

Some other elaborate scheme? Hopefully my random mass guessing has appeased you, so you can answer me for real in why you voted for Lincolm when he was apparently not one of your 2 top suspects.

And yeah, your interpretation of Mafia's post 39 does make more sense.

Bold: DING DING DING

Originally I was going to vote one of my suspects... But I decided that was boring. I usually use RQS to get [newbie] games moving, but I try to avoid using it in larger games. What with the lack of players in this game, I figured I needed something more than RVS to get things going. So, I decided a Lincoln vote could help achieve that. I'm really disconcerted by the general lack of care everyone has shown toward it. Zoidy

says

he doesn't like it, but his posts and the tone of them tell me otherwise; it feels fake. You seem curious but not really concerned either way. Always defended me (why the hell...). Ironically, Lincolm seems to be the only one to show any sincere distrust of my vote, but it's done with a single comment, no read, and no vote.

I don't like this.

I have seen many bad towns (like this)

Because you are evasive... (I know you not ask to me). Why do you ask this?

I asked because town are often driven to correct evasive behavior. The fact that Crazy only showed a mild curiosity puts me off. His lack of a stance on it, though... Well, that could really go either way.

Kind of. But do you really think Tracey is acting deliberately evasive as a ploy to appear town?

That seems hard to believe.

Why?

I'm starting to see AM's point that you jumped onto a pretty easy lynch. Either you didn't think it through or you're scum.

So you agree with your scum read about someone else's scumminess (or bad thinking skills), and that's not enough to warrant a new vote? On page three?

You're basically making the argument that Tracey isn't clever enough to come up with that kind of ploy.

Is that an argument you're really comfortable making?

Are you comfortable making the opposite argument?

UNVOTE:
Deciding who I should vote next...
VOTE: Zoidy CROSSVOTE FOR THE WIN

BRING IT ON

[Lincolm]

Also, absolutely no offense, but is English not your first language?

Yeah, my language issues sometimes make everybody suspect me. (Because everybody can pretend having this issues)
Bad grammar and wrong words I used in there, I think?

Ironically, Lincolm seems to be the only one to show any sincere distrust of my vote, but it's done with a single comment, no read, and no vote.

Because I have seen and done that before. Sorry for that.

I asked because town are often driven to correct evasive behavior. The fact that Crazy only showed a mild curiosity puts me off. His lack of a stance on it, though... Well, that could really go either way.

I hate to say this, sorry, but my experience in here all people who are evasive really really stubborn people. In other side, I read your #34 post and #41 like said, "I pretend to be evasive". I never seen someone pretend to be evasive before...

UNVOTE:

I don't like this. He has not answer your question.

Vote : Always Mafia

.

[Jackal711]

VOTE COUNT 1.3

Lincolm (0) -

L-1

Always Mafia (2) - Crazy, Lincolm
Crazy (0) -
TraceyLyn11 (1) - Zoidberg
Zoidberg (1) - TraceyLyn11

Not Voting: Always Mafia

With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is Sunday, December 23rd at 9:00 pm PST or in (expired on 2012-12-23 21:00:00)

[Crazy]

@Tracey - I'm satisfied with that explanation of the Lincolm vote. It never bugged me all that much, really. I'm not sure why you'd expect that it would - the "hypocritical vote" was obviously done intentionally, so I never really took it as a genuine scum-tell.

In my experience, people that act very strange or take weird gambits are more likely to be town. Scum tend to lean toward safer and less attention-seeking gameplay. Zoidberg here seems to be speaking in literal "what's scummy" terms, like "OMG evasive = scummy", and "Whatever, that's WIFOM." At the moment, I can't tell if he just hasn't developed the skill of looking at mafia psychologically, or if he's just trying to go for an obvious lynch. I'm leaning towards the latter at the moment.

AM is just a bit worse for now. His defense of Tracey bugged me at first, but I can understand it now, especially after Zoidberg's "obvious scum is obvious" post (35). AM's first post was still terrible, though. I'll change my vote to Zoidy if AM can provide a good answer to this.

I think random voting could lead to quick hammers on town, however i am not sure if that is much of an issue but i see why it may be due to WIFOM if it happens

As for you, please define your use of the term "WIFOM" in this sentence so you can convince me that you were actually saying something and not inserting random mafia terms to just make it

sound

like you were saying something.

[Zoidberg]

I think random voting could lead to quick hammers on town, however i am not sure if that is much of an issue but i see why it may be due to WIFOM if it happens

So, me and Always Mafia are scum, but you vote Lincolm? VOTE: TraceyLyn11

Why are you reaching? i dont see how that makes tracey scum so early?

I just think zoid was taking the most obvious vote in tracey and i doubt scum would be that obvious

[Zoidberg]

Well, I fucked that quote up.

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I think random voting could lead to quick hammers on town, however i am not sure if that is much of an issue but i see why it may be due to WIFOM if it happens

So, me and Always Mafia are scum, but you vote Lincolm? VOTE: TraceyLyn11

Why are you reaching? i dont see how that makes tracey scum so early?

I just think zoid was taking the most obvious vote in tracey and i doubt scum would be that obvious

Always Mafia is doing absolutely

no

scumhunting. Coasting through the game is not town-motivated.

VOTE: Always Mafia

[TraceyLyn11]

the fuck man

[TraceyLyn11]

Always, vig Zoidy.

[TraceyLyn11]

Hmm.

Though maybe he's scum.

'Cause I don't want to believe Crazy is.

And Lincolm sounds kind of townish.

But if that's the case, it's Zoidy and Always together.

Which would definitely be interesting.

Not the best gambit on Zoidy's part since no night kills.

But let's work with this, let's work with this.

If town, Always should vig Zoidy.

If scum, his buddy is probably Zoidy.

If town, then Zoidy's partner is probably... Crazy?

That might work.

But I don't want to believe it.

'Cause I like Crazy.

But oh well.

...waits for flip...

I should really be getting ready to leave.

But I'm eating a candy cane, so.

[Zoidberg]

HAHA yeah right, there won't be a vig kill. IMO it's you and Always.

[Crazy]

Lol, okay. Vig Zoidy.

That move probably hurt scum more than town, anyway. So meh.

Lincolm is probably the other scum, over Tracey. But I'll look more into it.

[Lincolm]

Oh shit? Hammer?

[TraceyLyn11]

Oh shit? Hammer?

Welp.

Bad post is bad.

[Lincolm]

Well, the result isn't going better. Let's see the flip then.

[Lincolm]

What if AM is town and he doesn't PM vengekill ? This is very baaaaad case....

[Crazy]

What if AM is town and he doesn't PM vengekill ? This is very baaaaad case....

That happened to a game I modded a long time ago; I just replaced the lynched person. I'd expect any decent mod to do the same.

[TraceyLyn11]

Does the thread get locked for forty-eight hours while Always gets to pick his kill, or will the thread still be open? If it's the latter, then I don't see what's wrong with continuing discussion right now.

Zoidy, AM, reads?

Zoidy, why did you hammer AM without warning?

Lincolm, do you think Always is town (sorry if you've said before, but)?

Crazy, did you ever look more into it?

[Lincolm]

Lincolm, do you think Always is town (sorry if you've said before, but)?

Actually

no

, I fell weird with his #39 post, so I needed his answer about that post first. Well, no change after the hammer (or there is a change? he is inactive and mod can come whenever he want). I never thought this would be done by Zoid (yeah, I believe he is scum after the hammer).

@Tracey : What is your read on me and Crazy?

[Jackal711]

VOTE COUNT 1.Final

Lincolm (0) -

Lynched

Always Mafia (3) - Crazy, Lincolm, Zoidberg
Crazy (0) -
TraceyLyn11 (0) -
Zoidberg (1) - TraceyLyn11

Not Voting: Always Mafia

With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is Sunday, December 23rd at 9:00 pm PST or in (expired on 2012-12-23 21:00:00)

As of Post #58,

Always Mafia

was lynched. He was a

Vengeful Townie

Deadline will be 48 hours to submit your venge-kill.
That will be Tuesday, December 18th at 10:20pm PST or in (expired on 2012-12-18 22:20:00)

[Jackal711]

Does the thread get locked for forty-eight hours while Always gets to pick his kill, or will the thread still be open?

Thread will be locked until I have the kill submitted or time expires.

[Jackal711]

I am declaring the game a draw.

Always Mafia

appears to have site-flaked, he has not been online in 8 days. Without his venge-kill, it is not fair to declare a win for either side.

The scum team was

Crazy

, the

Godfather

and

Zoidberg

, the

Goon

.

Scum QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/ncQakBCfkcqSQ

Thread is now open for post-game discussion.

[TraceyLyn11]

Ha. Looking back, I called Crazy being the Godfather and said if AM was town, it was probably Crazy and Zoidy together. This makes me happy.

CRAZY WHY DID YOU HAVE TO BE SCUM

This game was fun. Unfortunate how short it was, though. Thanks for modding, Jackal!