NY 160B - Welcome to Castle Zar - TIME FOR FIREWORKS!

[DeasVail]

Is it really that bad?

PEdit: Oh.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Tbh I want Baby's head either way.

Which is rather surprising, but eh.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Sorry for not being here earlier.

Vote: Mehdi

YOU'RE MY HERO BABY.

[Nobody Special]

<3

[Tammy]

if mehdi flips town i am suspicious of tammy for having her vote off everything with approaching deadline and disappearing from the discussion and moi for offering now viable alternative with impending deadline and ignoring the ongoing lynch

there now mehdi can die happy i answered his question

lynch him

This is stupid. I made it very clear why I took my vote off last night as I wanted more information and didn't want the day to end yesterday. You should be able to tell from my discussion with mehdi yesterday that I was still very suspicious of him. How did I disappear from the discussion? I wasn't here today and that's it. I had family stuff to tend to, deadlines not for two days, and I knew I'd be back. You didn't need me here this afternoon.

I am, however, a bit concerned about moi. He's left his vote on empire this entire time when its really apparent that empire is town and has come up with really lame ways to attack him and hasn't really gone after him. Wanting moi to post more and seeing how he interacted with this wagon was one of the reasons I took my vote off, as I said last night.

[Tammy]

MoI - I haven't seen enough to be able to get a read on him, and wanting to see more contribution from him is one reason I didn't want the day to end right now.

Aside from me not SAD / Mehdi style spamming the thread do my posts not have enough content for you to make any sort of alignment judgement?

Nope! You haven't really commented on the mehdi wagon in a meaningful way and have left your vote on empire but not really pushing him while at the same time arguing with him for what seems like arguing just for the sake of it. I'm suspicious of you, hence wanting to see more contribution.

[Tammy]

So I'm not a double voter

And what was the intent of that then since I don't think I'd ever have fully believed it (plus I prefer to act town after being really hammered for fun as scum)?

rofl if you're referring to NS's hammer intent for

if

I'm not lynched

sure I'm vanilla.

Oh, this was the claim?? The way in which it was presented is completely unacceptable by Lord Yates' standards. I mean, ugh, it's preceded by an IF. (And for some reason I thought you were talking about previous games).

Anyway, since this is finally out of the way, where's that hammer?

LoL

[Tammy]

Baby spice, kingmaker, moi = people who need a much closer look tomorrow.

Also it's weird that snowstorm never made a comment on kingmaker, especially with how lacking kingmakers play has been. This is somewhat worrisome.

[Tammy]

I'm actually a little bit annoyed that you did end the day with another day and a half to go. You let several people get by with meh contributions. There really as no reason not to wait to do it tomorrow.

[Baby Spice]

Okay so beyond this rather flaccid rundiwn of the mehdi wagon where you don't seem to actually come to any evaluations, what is p with your super duper laser focus on johhog? So, you say insults are a pet peeve, do you actually find that a scummy action or are you just pointing out what you don't like about johhog? You say his vote is terribad, but why is it?

Oh nice one, delete the evaluations and claim I didn't make any. Ok, Vi and Snowstorms' evaluations are "soft" perhaps, but there. Then insult my post. I do find casual insults scummy. Johhog's ranting ones in #87 is at least genuine.
Continuously insulting someone to try and upset them and degenerate an discussion into an insult match though, regardless is really really scummy. Especially if you've looked at my past games. Hint, it's why there's a year long gap in me playing.
Not saying that that is what you're doing but I don't remember you insulting many other people.

I've said why Johhog's vote is terribad a few times now. #109, #186, #276

I don't see how mehdi, and apparently you to, can't see the town motivation in johhogs vote and reasoning on empire. That you both seem to be willfully misinterpreting the issue and refusing to listen to the widely accepted definitions of things and are instead sticking to your thought up definitions makes no town sense to me. I see the scum sense though.

I have no understanding of what you are getting at. Have I even mentioned Johhog's vote on Empire? I was saving that for day 2 since we looked like getting a flip from someone on that Empire wagon. But.
I will mention Johhog's vote on that wagon now. It sucked. It was bad. It was predicated on Empire knowing how NS played. If NS had not made the "Nothing to fear" comment, then Empire's vote would have been bad and Johhog reasonable. But NS' comment is suspicious. It could easily have been scum coaching scum.
Yes NS is an "easy target" and normally opportunistic votes on them are bad, but as someone said sometimes the easy targets are actually scum. Not that I'm saying NS is scum. Too early to tell with him.

In essence, running up a wagon on somebody because they voted an "easy target" falls into that voting an easy target meme itself.

This puts SAD, MoI, and Medhi in a bad light too btw.

I also don't understand how you can't see my point. Mehdi voted empire for a scummy reason, or at least for a really bad and flimsy one, changed his mind and immediately started scum hunting the wagon he had just been on before really anyone had a chance to update their reads. He then picked the most townie vote on empire and calls it the scummiest. He then has not listened to why his interpretation is incorrect. I can't follow this thought process nor can I see the town motivation here.

I can't see you're point. Granted Medhi's vote on Empire wasn't great. None of them were. But why is Medhi scummy for realizing that his vote was bad and changing it? Why is Johhog's vote the "most town", because it wasn't. It was the worst. Why was Medhi's actions there different from any of his other actions in this game, or others that he is playing/has played?

I don't think his interpretation was wrong, I think yours is. But then several of your interpretations are wrong Tammy

Why is mehdi such a strong town read for you that you're working so hard for him?

And also, by the way, it is not scummy to vote without a reason. Any halfway competent person can give a reason for why they would vote before hand and ont need to make one up afterwards. It's got nothing to do with nice. This is mafia not the miss congeniality pageant, and voting without reason can garner some interesting reactions. But this is entering MD territory.

Answered in #489.

Please explain the towniness of voting without a reason. Note, not voting without giving a reason, but voting without a reason.

[Vi]

rofl if you're referring to NS's hammer intent for if I'm not lynched sure I'm vanilla.

Lynch ahoy.

1000 lynches delicious? (theme song by Benny Goodman)

@Tammy: Was the Day really going to get better?

[Zar]

When Prince mykonian died, the residents of the Estate were hesitant to fulfill his last will. They sedated all the four other members of the family, tied them up, and threw them into a common pit. Some people believe to have seen children playing during twilight in the Castle Gardens, and when they try to escort them back into the Castle, they giggle and disappear.

Day 1, End of Day Votecount

Mehdi2277 (8): SnowStorm, Vi, Johhog, roflcopter, Ser Arthur Dayne, Konowa, Empire, Nobody Special

Vi (3): DeasVail, ArcAngel9, Mehdi2277
ArcAngel9 (1): Kingmaker
Empire (1): MagnaOfIllusion
Johhog (1): Baby Spice

Not Voting (1):

Tammy

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline

: Friday, December 21st, 2012 1:00 PM New York Time. (GMT-5) (End of the Mayan Calendar! )

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2012-12-21 13:00:00)

Mehdi2277 has been lynched. Flip coming shortly

[Zar]

* BELOW SCENE CONTAINS NO CLUES, JUST FLAVOR *

Dear Guests,

The Zar Estate is commited with keeping a remarkable daytime experience and the comfort of our guests is one of our principal goals.

Based on your valuable feedback during the Breakfast Social at the Castle Chapel, we understand that there has been some collective unrest about the participation of

Mehdi2277

in all social activities within the Castle. The personnel at Castle Zar has pledged to provide you with refined personal service in an elegant ambience, and guests deemed unpleasant by our visitors will not not be tolerated.

We have proceeded to escort Mehdi2277 and all of the former guests belongings out of the Castle Grounds and into the woods. We hope Mehdi2277 may be able to care for himself in the wilderness. We've had a few wolf sightings.

On behalf of the Estate and all its employees, we hope you have a good Night and

pray

to see you again in the morning.

Sincerely,

Zar, Castle Keeper

Mehdi2277

,

Vanilla Townie

,

has been removed of the Zar Estate on Day One.

It is now

Night One

and will last

Forty Eight

(48) hours, starting 12:00 New York Time (GMT-5).

Deadline

: December, 22 2012 12:00 PM New York Time. (GMT-5) (If the World does not End on December 21st, that is. )

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2012-12-22 12:00:00)

[Zar]

MOD ANNOUNCEMENT

Please note that the deadline for the Day Two phase will be

FOURTEEN DAYS (14)

to accommodate for extra time due to the Christmas Day + Boxing Day and New Year's Eve celebrations. Non-cumulative Mass Courtesy Prods will be issued on December 27th, 2012 and January 2nd, 2013. I will be lax on activity from Non V/LA players between Dec. 24-26 and Dec. 31-Jan. 1.

[Zar]

* BELOW SCENE CONTAINS NO CLUES, JUST FLAVOR *

Good Morning Guests!

We would like to formally apologize for any sordid events that took place last night. The management is actively trying to screen guest belongings, but the law holds us liable if we conduce these searches without each guests voluntary consent. Privacy law also prevents us from revealing which of you opted out from the preventive screening.

The affected rooms are off limits for visiting. Any belongings the affected guests may have possessed will be returned to their families or given in charity.

Once again, we remind you that if you would like to help the Estate weed out anyone you deem a troublemaker, you may do so by choosing to escort an unpleasant guest of your choosing by majority consensus. Management will step in and have them removed before nightfall.

We have included in this message a copy of today's itinerary:

You will find a breakfast buffet for all of you set up next to the Library, where there will be a permanent exposition of the story of the Zar Estate since its beginnings five hundred years ago up to the modern days. The exposition has been carefully put together by the Historical Society.

Come learn about our origins and remember to enjoy this day as if it were your last!

ArcAngel9

,

Vanilla Townie

,

killed on Night One!

Vi

,

Vanilla Townie

,

killed on Night One!

It is now Day Two!

[Zar]

The adjoining lands where the Zar Castle currently stands were granted by King mith I to the Zar family in an edict dated on January 20, 1512.

Day 2, Votecount 0

Not Voting (12):

SnowStorm, DeasVail, Kingmaker, Empire, Johhog, Baby Spice, Tammy, roflcopter, Ser Arthur Dayne, Konowa, MagnaofIllusion, Nobody Special

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: Thursday, January 5th, 2013 12:15 PM New York Time. (GMT-5)

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2013-01-05 12:15:00)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote: MoI

This is happening.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Btw this is from last night:

Town (S->W): Johhog, Tammy, Empire, SnowStorm, roflcopter,

Vi

,

ArcAngel9

, DeasVail

Scum (S->W): Baby Spice, Nobody Special, MagnaofIllusion, Konowa, Kingmaker

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Put bracket's between Spice, NS, and MoI. They're on the same level.

[Empire]

On phone. In the middle of a 12+ hour drive to North Carolina. Content post later.

@mod--I will be V/LA until the 26th due to holidays. Sorry for the inconvenience.

[roflcopter]

ayup

vote: moi

in addition i'm retracting my suspicion of tammy. it was poorly thought out to begin with and a second look reconfirms that she is town as hell.

[roflcopter]

i also want deasvail to be really really dead soon

[DeasVail]

Rofl, how has Mehdi being town affected your read of me?

Also, to you and SAD, why MoI-scum? I remember thinking he was town when I was reading.

[Johhog]

Yup, MoI is probably town.

VOTE: Baby Spice

[Baby Spice]

Lol. That is so funny Johhog.

Vote Johhog

Not only did you have the worst, most scummy vote on an obv town wagon that flipped town, you immediatly vote the person who pointed out how scummy your vote was the next day.