Street Racers: New York (Game over!)

[Idiotking]

Sure, it's suspicious, but is that all you've got? Because I feel that's a weak reason, especially since it happened early in the day.

It's enough for me. Sorry if it doesn't live up to your expectations.

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

ArcAngel9 (1): KillerApple
BirdAndBeast (1): Idiotking
Idiotking (1): The Mini-Librarian
JacobSavage (1): Jal
KillerApple (1): njoseph
njoseph (3): Aj The Epic, nhammen, thezmon221
Nachomamma8 (1): Bumi
Sixx (4): Albus Dumbledore, BirdAndBeast, Parama, Nachomamma8
The Mini-Librarian (1): Robert2424
thezmon221 (4): ArcAngel9, Baby Spice, Ztife, JohnnyFarrar
Ztife (2): jeck, Sixx
No Lynch (1): Darthe
Not voting (4): DayVigilante, killerjester, PMysterious, JacobSavage

With

25

alive, it takes

13

players to lynch.

[njoseph]

Okay, nhammen jumped off the KillerApple wagon. I no longer really like the thezmon wagon; I don't really abhor it, either. I am not pleased by the Ztife wagon, though. Ztife looks like null to town new player, and I think voting for him is scummy. That said, jeck has made sense to me before, and I do not want to threw out the credit I have given--I think I called him logical, but I think this Ztife wagon is an instance of wrong assumptions.

That leaves Sixx, and he's bad for being on Ztife wagon, and is not given the credit I have given to Sixx, nothing about Sixx has stood out to me as markingly, to me, townie. Markingly townie qualities is what makes the game good.

UNVOTE

VOTE: Sixx

[njoseph]

As it stands, Sixx should be the wagon for today ...

[njoseph]

Like an abacus bead, I'll slide KillerApple off of scum, I will also slide Darthe into slightly town for no lynch gambit.

[thezmon221]

That leaves Sixx, and he's bad for being on Ztife wagon, and is not given the credit I have given to Sixx, nothing about Sixx has stood out to me as markingly, to me, townie. Markingly townie qualities is what makes the game good.

So what has stood out as scummy apart from him being on Ztife?

By the way, I'd hardly call two people on a person a wagon. Especially when we need 13 to lynch.

[njoseph]

It was my interpretation that Ztife's votes were from people who would claim that they wanted to lynch him. That's a two-vote target, Ztife is, but it had impetus in theory to them, like a wagon.

[Sixx]

so out of theory are you claiming I joined or started the Ztife wagon?

[njoseph]

Seeing that you started it, it wasn't a wagon until jeck went on it. But did you not intend Ztife to pay for his acts that may seemed to have reeked of scumminess?

[killerjester]

Sixx

- I can't seem to find someone's point of him deflecting, however Sixx claims to be primarily townhunting over scumhunting but has provided lists for neither.

TML

- Definite town. Played with him in Mini 1394 and his scumhunting style matches up pretty damn well. I'm bothered by how Nacho has him down as a scumread without any stated reason. Doesn't even mention him specifically in his posts, just kind of slips him into the Fake ID list. Nacho?

oger Thornhill

- Slight town, albeit newbtown.

Parama

- Slight town, genuine scumhunting in his earlier posts. Needs to explain himself more in other posts, like his Apple and Bird reads.

PMysterious

- The definition of IIoA, so slight scum

Epic AJ

- I like him. He's town. I can follow his thought process easily and all of it makes sense.

Robert2424

- Terrible, terrible push on TML. Doesn't explain his scumread on camo. This guy is scum.

That's all I got so far. Might go back and reread later.

VOTE: Sixx but I'd also be sold on a Robert wagon

[killerjester]

Woops that'd be

Roger* Thornhill

as slight town.

[Sixx]

okay... I started this wagon as the second and last vote on it... lol

I already gave my reasons for my vote, will he get lynched because of my vote? no, its highly unlikely but you guys also seem to have plenty of hissy fits with me not placing my vote so, I followed up on what Nacho quoted and on what I had already read through the thread and his own comments and placed my vote.

@KillerJester - I can provide my town vs scum list but as I've said, I am weak D1, always have been. I'm much better once its D2 and I can get a grasp of who died and why also following my own action (assuming I have one) and finishing it with the initial comments and WIFOM.

[njoseph]

Okay, Sixx was second on Ztife, not first. More impetus to Ztife-lynch-endeavor once Sixx committed his vote to Ztife.

[njoseph]

You could say that jeck voted so recently that it was not staggeringly stupid to assume that Sixx voted for Ztife less recently.

[njoseph]

One^, not You

[The Mini-Librarian]

um, yeah.

unvote
vote idiotking

the top half of 511 does not lead to a b&b vote in any way. Fabricated read etc.

Don't you think it's extremely suspicious when someone makes sudden, unannounced shifts in their attitude concerning certain things in the game? Especially with the Roger policy lynch wagon. B&B helped build the policy lynch wagon on Roger, waited until Roger was being wagoned, then jumped off (even though in post 111 he said he still supported the policy lynch, and later said policy lynch candidates should be vigged so as to cover it) and said that if Roger flipped town the wagon on him would be suspicious. Doesn't that seem an awful lot like someone setting people up? And from what I read this wasn't a reaction test, or at least B&B never claimed it to be.

No, I think B&B is well deserving of a vote for this.

B&B suspected roger immediately after their interaction early on. They voted someone else a little bit later but never really relinquished that read. Even the policy lynch statment they made ("But if we PL Roger we get the added bonus of a scumflip.") is based of their belief roger is scum. They only time they even entertain the notion of him being town is these two posts.

I think Roger is town.

Definitely possible.

Roger Thornhill (5): Bride of Sadistyx, SoraAdvent, thezmon221, Parama, njoseph

Which'd make this highly suspect, by the way.

The first bring ups a possibility and the second brings up a plan of action IF that possibility should arise.

After that he doesn't mention him or his replacement at all.

Explain how that equals scum.

[JacobSavage]

@Mod: Will have no access for Friday 28th and Saturday 29th.

[Bumi]

So this game got a way from me...

[Bumi]

I really cannot be bothered to keep track of all these replacements.

I do have one question to all the replacements -

do you think your predecessor's play was pro-town oriented?

[Bumi]

@B&B - this will be my last direct response to anything you ask of me. Your style of play annoys me so much that I've considered a couple of times already just asking StrangerCoug to replace me. You've already chased off BoS (another one of our players) with your D1 antics. This game so far has forcibly reminded me why I didn't bother coming back to this site after the first game I played here last year. As for Thez, I honestly find him hard to read D1. But so far he hasn't exhibited any of the signs I've come to associate with him when he plays as scum. Perhaps I have an unfair advantage in this regard, since I've played with him for the past 2 years pretty solidly. But frankly I think you're all barking up the wrong tree with him. If he turns out to be scum, believe me I'll be surprised.

Personally I'm far more interested in looking at the motives of those who have voted for Thez purely for the sake of jumping on your wagon. As you'll notice, I currently have a vote on one such player. Anyone who places a vote and refuses to give a reason for said vote is behaving in an exceedingly scummy manner in my book. In the games I play people are expected to provide reasons for votes. If they don't, pretty much everyone else in the game will jump on them for it and if they continue to refuse to give a reason they usually start getting voted on. What I'm seeing in this game is one or two people declaring categorically that players X, Y and Z are 100% certifiable scum (when there is no way anyone could know such a thing), and everyone else following suit blindly. That's no way to play a mafia game.

I think this person is very very likely to be town now.

I would like payment for all the naysayers who did not like my slight town read on Heather earlier in the game.

[Bumi]

nhammen are lesser town reads.

I liked your list until I saw this name.

I then vomited in my mouth and swallowed it again.

(cackles)

Why is nhammen a town read of yours?

[Parama]

do you think your predecessor's play was pro-town oriented?

I answer this for you: they will say yes

[Bumi]

do you think your predecessor's play was pro-town oriented?

I answer this for you: they will say yes

I don't really care about the answer.

[Parama]

[killerjester]

I think ewo2 site-flaked, so I won't bother trying to read into it.