Micro 102: Mainstream Mini-Mafia [END, CULT WIN]

[pirate mollie]

Ew.

Siv's self-vote was a strained attempt for scum to say "hey i don't care about being lynched!"

Serious scum read right now.

@11: Mollie, why is putting Siv at L-1 bad?

wait where did I say it was bad

[pirate mollie]

p-rat where did you go

[Majiffy]

There are a lot of parties in this game that would prefer to stay silent, and that's not a good thing.

[FourTrouble]

I'm just saying, if there's no contradiction in finding people scummy for trying to lynch scummy players, you must not want to lynch scummy players.

You are acquainted with bussing, right? You did say it is something YOU do when you are scum, correct?

[Majiffy]

All the time. But what Orci is saying just isn't lining up.

[FourTrouble]

@Majiffy

Orci thinks you are bussing your teammate, what's the contradiction?

You are pretty obsessed with Orci's votes, why the lack of interest in mine? Why don't you make some things happen? You know, like asking questions, taking stances, etc. instead of complaining about inactivity? Do you think I - or anyone else in this game - should have a town-read on you? If yes, why? If no, why not?

[Majiffy]

Orci thinks you are bussing your teammate, what's the contradiction?

I don't believe he's actually said that. Please go re-read.

You are pretty obsessed with Orci's votes, why the lack of interest in mine?

I'm not actually very interested in either.

Why don't you make some things happen? You know, like asking questions, taking stances, etc.

Have you not read the game thus far?

instead of complaining about inactivity?

Well I've already interacted with the players whom aren't inactive. What else would you like me to do?

Do you think I - or anyone else in this game - should have a town-read on you? If yes, why? If no, why not?

Yes. Because I'm obviously fucking town.

[FourTrouble]

Orci thinks you are bussing your teammate, what's the contradiction?

I don't believe he's actually said that. Please go re-read.

It doesn't matter whether Orci has said that. I'll ask again, what's the contradiction?

[Majiffy]

The contradiction is that he's finding lynching a scummy player to be scummy. Now either he does not inherently think we should lynch scummy players, or he is contradicting himself.

[FourTrouble]

The contradiction is that he's finding lynching a scummy player to be scummy. Now either he does not inherently think we should lynch scummy players, or he is contradicting himself.

Or he thinks you are bussing your teammate, which you had said you do as scum. What I want to know is WHY you are excluding this third (quite obvious and logical) possibility?

If you are town as fuck, why do you think people voting for you? How is it pro-town to ignore these votes? How come you still don't have any reads after posting more than double anyone else?

[Majiffy]

Which is why you should probably ask him what he means instead of just assuming things.

People are voting for me because they're misguided. And I'm not ignoring the votes. I've responded to both of them.

How do I get reads if players aren't posting? You're not even making logical sense with that last bit.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: four trouble

[pappums rat]

LOL this game is funny. Majiffy's #30 was quite innocuous, and orcinus blowing it way the fuck out of proportion is indicative of dumb/newb town IMO. siv's #89 was a decent point against him, but at this point I think orcinus is more than likely just jumping on any little thing he can find that he thinks is scummy and plowing forward with it. I have preliminary townreads on Majiffy (playing to meta and the way he handled orcinus) and pirate mollie (her reaction to my vote on siv).

Unvote, Vote Majiffy

Want to explain why?

All this talk about bussing is terrible, and orcinus and FourTrouble should stop shitting up the thread with it. It is way too early to be looking for bussing when not nearly enough has been said to indicate bussing and there havent been any flips either. Focus on trying to find ONE scum, get them lynched, and if they were scum then look for associative tells. Far too often people accuse others of "bussing" for completely harmless interactions and they end up mislynching by going on faulty assumptions.

I dont like Jacob's entering post:

Oh hai.

Couple of questions,
Majiffy: what is your relation to Thor?
Who other than Siv do you think is scum?

The guy with one of the Hammer bros as an avatar: Why is Majiffy s likely partners if he is scum?

In terms of general things, I'm stuck with phoneposting relying on rather crummy WiFi til the 6th may try and make a decent post a couple of days afterward.

He asks a garbage question about Majiffy's relationship with Thor that does not progress the game whatsoever, then mistakenly thinks Majiffy has a scumread on siv which shows he is not reading the game. Then he asks orcinus to predict Majiffy's partners if he is scum. Looking for scumbuddies 5 pages into Day 1 is terribad. There are no flips to analyze, meaning no concrete associative tells could be made.

Unvote
Vote: JacobSavage

[Majiffy]

I'm going to like Pappums this game, I can feel it.

[FourTrouble]

VOTE: four trouble

Why?

[Majiffy]

She's very defensive.

[FourTrouble]

@Pappums

Where am I shitting up the thread with talk of bussing? I was solely talking about Majiffy's fallacious logic. This post...

The contradiction is that he's finding lynching a scummy player to be scummy. Now either he does not inherently think we should lynch scummy players, or he is contradicting himself.

... employs a false dichotomy to discredit Orci. Majiffy completely ignores the third (and more logical) possibility of bussing.

I voted Majiffy for a couple reasons. First, he's cluttering up the game with fluff. Second, he's using semantics to discredit other players. Third, he's refusing to commit to any positions. Majiffy's recent posting confirms my suspicions, particularly his responses to me.

[Majiffy]

... employs a false dichotomy to discredit Orci. Majiffy completely ignores the third (and more logical) possibility of bussing.

Doesn't actually hold as a possibility given what he's said.

I voted Majiffy for a couple reasons. First, he's cluttering up the game with fluff. Second, he's using semantics to discredit other players. Third, he's refusing to commit to any positions. Majiffy's recent posting confirms my suspicions, particularly his responses to me.

1) I'd say it's not fluff
2) When have I used semantics to

discredit players

? I've certainly used it to disable arguments.
3) I haven't refused to commit to any positions. Name one position I've refused to commit to.

[Majiffy]

And while you're at it, be a dear and go join my Mother of God marathon game.

Thanks for giving me a reason to make a new rule. Don't advertise in my games. Thanks.

[FourTrouble]

There are no flips to analyze, meaning no concrete associative tells could be made.

This does not mean players should not be looking for associative tells. There is something called CONDITIONAL reasoning. I myself will not lynch a player unless I can pin down who I think his partners are. It actually works quite effectively, especially for developing town-reads and using process of elimination. Your vote on Jacob is honestly pretty bad.

I'm calling it now, Pappums-Majiffy.

[Majiffy]

Yes, by all means, call a scum team on page 5.

[FourTrouble]

Doesn't actually hold as a possibility given what he's said.

Explain, please. Also:

1) I think most of it is fluff. You certainly didn't need 50 posts to say as much as you have.
2) You're right, you used semantics to disable arguments. I still think that's scummy since it intentionally misinterprets the argument and attacks it indirectly. It is similar to misrepresenting someone, though not as visible.
3) You have not committed to any reads yet. You don't find anyone scummy or towny.

[Majiffy]

Doesn't actually hold as a possibility given what he's said.

Explain, please.

I think you're scummy. I think majiffy wanting to lynch you is more scummy. This is not a contradiction.

Now unless I was actually voting him (I wasn't) and trying to get him lynched, I don't see how you can associate any kind of bussing from my interaction with Siv. Thus what Orc said here doesn't hold as "I'm scummy for trying to bus Siv"

Also:

1) I think most of it is fluff. You certainly didn't need 50 posts to say as much as you have.

Well, that's like, your

opinion,

man.

2) You're right, you used semantics to disable arguments. I still think that's scummy since it intentionally misinterprets the argument and attacks it indirectly. It is similar to misrepresenting someone, though not as visible.

No, because the point of the argument was about semantics. I won the argument. How scummy of me to win an argument.

Also noted that you completely dodged the fact that I was calling you out for saying I was discrediting players.

3) You have not committed to any reads yet. You don't find anyone scummy or towny.

No one has asked. How can I refuse something if I've not been asked yet?

[FourTrouble]

Now unless I was actually voting him (I wasn't) and trying to get him lynched, I don't see how you can associate any kind of bussing from my interaction with Siv. Thus what Orc said here doesn't hold as "I'm scummy for trying to bus Siv"

You expressed intent to lynch Siv in this post...

Well lets go ahead and flip Siv then and see.

... so yes it does hold.

Also noted that you completely dodged the fact that I was calling you out for saying I was discrediting players.

I did not dodge anything, clearly stated that you were correct. It does not change the fact that I find the effect (and intention) of your semantic games scummy.

No one has asked. How can I refuse something if I've not been asked yet?

You were asked multiple times. I asked you and Orci asked you.

[Majiffy]

Now unless I was actually voting him (I wasn't) and trying to get him lynched, I don't see how you can associate any kind of bussing from my interaction with Siv. Thus what Orc said here doesn't hold as "I'm scummy for trying to bus Siv"

You expressed intent to lynch Siv in this post...

Well lets go ahead and flip Siv then and see.

... so yes it does hold.

Which, at the time of Orci's vote, could have been taken seriously or not seriously. Which means he would not know whether I was really trying to bus him or not. And now we're back to it not holding again.

I did not dodge anything, clearly stated that you were correct. It does not change the fact that I find the effect (and intention) of your semantic games scummy.

Again. Argument about semantics -> Wins argument -> Scummy for winning.
wat.

You were asked multiple times. I asked you and Orci asked you.

When did you ask me? What did I respond? When did Orci ask me? What did I respond?

Please provide the above with lots of quotes.