Newbie Setup (Matrix6 implemented)
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Majiffy Go with the Flow
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BBmolla Open Book
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In post 152, zoraster wrote:The only true statistic I care about with newbie games is the conversation statistic. In other words, how many players who play in a newbie game are here 6 months later actively playing the game?
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CityElectric Goon
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callforjudgement Microprocessor
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gorckat Mafia Scum
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In post 253, callforjudgement wrote:Fastest way: go to an old newbie signup thread, look at the announced playerlists, look at those users' posts to see if they still exist.
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Forget perfect balance-enumerate the list of all the setups that are "proven" (2of4, F11, C9++ or whatever), have the ListMod randomly select one of them and give it to the game mod.
When one specific instance of game is too lopsided (say 8 wins to one side after 10 runs) replace it with something else.
Make Newbies a Normal-Lite format with a shortlist of possible roles.
Someone convince me this won't work to:
-solve the reason for the thread (apparent lack of randomization of setups)
-IC boredom (by having the potential for more setup variation)
-long term balance (by removing only specific iterations that are wildly unbalanced).-
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callforjudgement Microprocessor
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gorckat Mafia Scum
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callforjudgement Microprocessor
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gorckat Mafia Scum
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How bad is that, though?
In a "real" game, an early claim can be busted by later claims and flips.
Arguably, if you have to claim with no knowledge of what else is out there, you're already in a bad position. It's either early in the game and you're forced to claim due to a mistake or no other power has been killed or lynched (unlucky for you!). You either go vanilla hoping town lays off and starts another wagon (frequently happens early) or fish a counter from someone so your partner's odds go up.
If you hit a 3v2 LYLO and are having to claim and want to roll power, then you have to be ready to ride someone's legit claim as impossible, which is another teachable skill.-
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callforjudgement Microprocessor
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The problem's basically that it gives you a reward for obscure setup information newbies couldn't really be possibly expected to know. So it's basically putting them at a disadvantage based on things that shouldn't be relevant.
The claim-busting thing you suggest is fine, but if it's happeningonlyto newbies, we have a sort of discrimination problem there.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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Rob14 Jack of All Trades
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In post 252, CityElectric wrote:I don't think it's entirely impossible to research that, it would cost quite some time, though.
I've got time this week. Want me to go pull a month's worth of data from six months ago?
In order to make that data useful, I'd probably also have to pull a month worth of data from the setup prior to 2of4, since that allows comparison.-
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CityElectric Goon
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In post 260, Rob14 wrote:In post 252, CityElectric wrote:I don't think it's entirely impossible to research that, it would cost quite some time, though.
I've got time this week. Want me to go pull a month's worth of data from six months ago?
In order to make that data useful, I'd probably also have to pull a month worth of data from the setup prior to 2of4, since that allows comparison.
I've got some time too, but splitting the work should be cool, I guess.-
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Rob14 Jack of All Trades
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If you want to grab the old setup, I could grab the current one. The best way to do things that I can think of is to pull the players who placed into a game from seven months ago until six months ago and check whether they were still posting on site after both 3 months and 6 months to give the best picture of retention rate in the shorter and longer terms.-
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CityElectric Goon
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In post 263, CityElectric wrote:Yeah, that seems like a good way to do it.
How about replacements? Count them or not? And the IC and SE players? I'd say disregard the IC and SE players, as they've stuck around for long enough to play some more games. Not sure what to do with the replacers and the replacees.
EDIT: Or just make an extra column with 'didn't finish the game' for the replacees and count the replacers as normal players.-
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zoraster He/HimDisorganized CrimeHe/Him
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disregard IC and SE players, count replacements and replaced as long as they were newbies.
but ideally you'd have more than a single month's data, and you'd compare it to other variables (e.g. how fast the game went up for sign ups, what setup was being used, how long the game lasted, who was the IC).-
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Mr. Flay Metatron
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CityElectric Goon
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In post 265, zoraster wrote:disregard IC and SE players, count replacements and replaced as long as they were newbies.
but ideally you'd have more than a single month's data, and you'd compare it to other variables (e.g. how fast the game went up for sign ups, what setup was being used, how long the game lasted, who was the IC)
I've been thinking about pulling data from Newbie 1000 to Newbie 1096 for the F11 setup. I was thinking about organizing it by player, but if you want to know all this, I may want to organize it by game. One thing though, if you want to know how long it took for the game to go in sign-ups, I'm going to need the old sign-up thread, as the current queue starts at Newbie 1221 (due to the crash and all). Does anyone know where I can find that?-
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Vi Professor Paragon
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zoraster He/HimDisorganized CrimeHe/Him
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nhammen Mafia Scum
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Is this some sort of troll? Bastard roles in a Newbie game?In post 239, Majiffy wrote:3 Millers, with Millers flipping on lynch as "Mafia Goon" and their role PMs saying they're just a VT.-
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Rob14 Jack of All Trades
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In post 265, zoraster wrote:disregard IC and SE players, count replacements and replaced as long as they were newbies.
but ideally you'd have more than a single month's data, and you'd compare it to other variables (e.g. how fast the game went up for sign ups, what setup was being used, how long the game lasted, who was the IC)
I'll look into a way to do this tomorrow.-
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Zachrulez Jack of All Trades
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In post 259, callforjudgement wrote:The problem's basically that it gives you a reward for obscure setup information newbies couldn't really be possibly expected to know. So it's basically putting them at a disadvantage based on things that shouldn't be relevant.
The claim-busting thing you suggest is fine, but if it's happeningonlyto newbies, we have a sort of discrimination problem there.
All the possible setups should be listed for easy reference imo, whether it's by OP or linking to a wiki article.-
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