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Post Post #750 (ISO) » Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:25 pm

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Lady Mina's erractic orders are also responsible for the difference in style and finishes of the Eastern Tower; by the time she made up her mind on completing the upper floors, the granite quarry used for the lower floors was exhausted; the mismatching marble stairs had to be combined with local stone because of miscalculations due to her constant change of the final design. Architects and builders accross the Kingdom refused to take charge of the final touches of the building; it was said that the original commissioned artist was driven to madness and left to rot in the dungeons by the Lady of the Estate.


Day 2, End of Day Vote Count

Nachomamma8 (7): Tammy, SnowStorm, Zachrulez, Baby Spice, roflcopter, Empire, Nobody Special

BabySpice (3): Johhog, NachoMamma8, DeasVail
Zachrulez (2): Ser Arthur Dayne, Konowa
Johhog (1): BabySpice

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Empire, Nobody Special

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

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Post Post #751 (ISO) » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:47 pm

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* BELOW SCENE CONTAINS NO CLUES, JUST FLAVOR *



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Dear Unwanted Guest,

Our elite members have expresed their concern about the allowance of celebrities within the premises. The exclusive visitors of the Zar Estate feel that your presence brings the unwanted attention of the Papparazzi and mass media into the Hotel and its surroundings; some of our visitors would not like to see pictures of themselves in third-class tabloids or their current locations revealed.

A lot of their complaints are based in the lack of a formal privacy agreement between all of you; our most exclusive members do not want their affairs within the Estate to be disclosed to the press.

It is a pity; we had high hopes of signing an agreement to sell photos of your stay to OML! Magazine for the nearby Mystery Lake and to People Magazine. Apparently this will have to wait. I guess we will have commercialize the eerie but still recent mystery of the decapitation and impalement of Regfan near the Castle graveyard, and how Sophie Baelish's ghost has ceased to roam the Castle Woods ever since the lad appeared dead with the word "faithless" written with black ink in a leather notepad.

We have already disposed of your belongings. A member of the outer security awaits to escort you by force out of the Castle Grounds. Please never come back. Or else.

We hope you survive out there. No one ever has.

Sincerely,

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It is now
Night Two
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(48) hours, starting 22:00 New York Time (GMT-5).

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Post Post #752 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:01 pm

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* BELOW SCENE CONTAINS NO CLUES, JUST FLAVOR *




Screams, surprises, and shots during the night kept everyone at vigil, but no one dared to exit their rooms until the break of the dawn. Well, somebody must have left their chambers for all that noise. And still more sound echoing the halls... somebody was humming a Tune.


Viva forever, I'll be waiting
Everlasting, like the sun
Live forever, for the moment
Ever searching for the one


Oh dear God. Who in the world would be singing cheesy pop music after such an eerie night? The accent was particular, and not something you had heard among the guests staying here. And the pop lyrics were exact on point, with no wordplay in them.


You're back where we belong now, or was it just a dream?
Feelings unfold, they will never be sold
And the secret's safe with me
Hasta mañana, always be mine...


And your EMF detector was beeping... which was odd. You had picked some paranormal activity in the room, but never at those levels. Wait a second: Pop music? Could it be... that ghost? The thought was thrilling, and despite you were filled with fear of what could be outside, you knew you had to look outside and discover it for yourself. So you opened your door to see many other guests mesmerized, just like you. The legend was true. There he was, walking through the halls while singing pop songs: the
Ghost called Faraday
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You dropped your keys, and the specter stopped singing, as if the sound had corrupted the silence of his pitchless echo. He turned around, looked startled for a second; and in a blink was right in your face!


Hey, I just met you,
and this is crazy
but I know something
let's rhyme it maybe?


Oh my God! The ghost was talking to you in song! And he knew something! What did the ghost know? Could he know the answer to the mysteries of the gunshots of last night?

"What do you know?" One of the guests asked, but you couldn't distinguish who it was; it was still not quite dawn, there was some light in the hall but not enough to sort out faces. Faraday floated into the ceiling, and half chuckled. Then said:


So, tell me what I want,
what I really really want
and I'll tell you what you want
what you really really want


One of the guests seemed to pick up on the idea very quickly, so they followed suit.


you wanna, you wanna, you wanna, you wanna,
you wanna really really be with a popstar


The ghost was delighted at the response. And floated around the room. This would make an spectacular theme to discuss later. Faraday stopped in the center of the hall, and started singing again:


I wanna make you holler and hear you
Scream her name
I'll tell you roflcopter, and Baby died today
You want to know the outcome,
and maybe who to blame,
but all that I can tell you,
is that Baby's scum so yay!

I know that roflcopter
was town, so cry today!
I also know who shot him
But won't tell you today
Or maybe I could, to not drive you insane
You should give in to me
though, come and play my game

I wanna make you holler...


"Holler her name? Who's name?"

"His True Love." The Castle Keeper said. No one knows how long had he been standing in the hallway. "Taylor".

The specter glowed brighter, produced an inspired sigh and vanished.

"What have you done!? He's vanished!" The guests outraged.

"You wouldn't have gotten a straight answer from that trolling ghost". The Castle Keeper said. "Indeed the deaths he confirmed are true. But he clearly wanted out of here. He was asking for Taylor's name and would have gotten very violent otherwise. I've been here long enough to know what he's capable of. I don't even understand what he's doing hovering outside the Western Tower. I believe it has to do with the whole celebrity affair from Day Two. He may have thought Baby Spice was the real thing. Too bad."

The guests seemed a bit confused. But the keeper had a schedule to maintain, and the message had to be delivered.


Baby Spice
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roflcopter
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killed on Night Two!




"My dear guests, I bring forth your itinerary for this day. It's the big feast. Please ready yourselves up."

Each of you opened the elegant crimson lion seal in the envelope you had been handed.


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"Your formal attire has been taken care of and has been placed in your chambers. When you are ready, please meet our
Neutral Westerosi Hostess Eira
who will escort you to your assigned seating. May you have a wonderful rest of the Day!"

Once you had changed into your finest attire, you steadied your pace and headed to the Garden you had heard so much about. The marble busts of the Ladies of the Castle greeted the hall to its entrance, as if scrutinizing the passing guests. You wondered if they too came alive at night for a moment, but your mind was too overwhelmed to do some serious ponder on it.

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As you were greeted by the friendly foreign hostess, you couldn't help but wonder what you'd be talking about all day. Oh My. What a rather interesting turn of events. Thank God the Press isn't around.


It is now Day Three!
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Post Post #753 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:02 pm

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The First Major historic event hosted in the Zar Castle was the peace treaty among the Westerosi and Scummers, signed on Midsummer's Day of the year 1513.


Day 3, Votecount 0

Not Voting (9):
SnowStorm, DeasVail, Empire, Johhog, Tammy, Ser Arthur Dayne, Konowa, Zachrulez, Nobody Special

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Post Post #754 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:03 pm

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God, I am seriously fucking hating myself so hard right now.

In other news, I think roflcopter crumbed an innocent on Tammy D2, have to double check.
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Post Post #755 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:05 pm

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In post 545, roflcopter wrote:in addition i'm retracting my suspicion of tammy. it was poorly thought out to begin with and a second look reconfirms that she is town as hell.

Right here.

Going to mine through interaction stuff with Baby Spice in the next few posts. Off the top of my head, this scumflip basically clears Johhog and Arthur.
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Post Post #756 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:09 pm

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Excuse the spam posting, but again for my own purposes:

Reads at the end of D1:
TOWN(S->W): Tammy, Johhog,
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Post Post #757 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:01 pm

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Hey VIG, nice shot! or serial killer...

Oh no, baby spice wasn't white knighting mehdi at all...not one tiny bit. :roll:

Bleh...I have some reassessing to do.

Empire, I don't know that rofl would have actually investigated me though. And in that same post he voted moi and wrote "ayup" before it. He also at the end of day in said he would switch to nacho but we needed to make a solemn promise to lynch moi the next day. I mean as much as I would like to take that as verification of me being town, I think the post could have just as easily pointed to a guilty on moi. Hrm. I don't know. I need to think.

I guess well see what zach does today.
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Post Post #758 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:03 pm

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hey look, baby spice was scum :roll:
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Post Post #759 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:05 pm

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Going to start off with the easy ones first, if there's anything you guys want to comment on or help out here feel free.

Baby Spice's Interactions With Other Slots Part One (Johhog):


Baby Spice's vote on Johhog in #108 and continued criticism of his "ignoring" the salient parts of Mehdi's posts (#184) point against him being on her team. I also think the back and forth Johhog has with Baby Spice starting at #219 where he criticizes Baby's defense of Mehdi, Baby calling Johhog's vote "terribad" and the worst on the Mehdi wagon in #275, and the later cross voting early D2 (#548/#549 - especially the latter's attached reasoning) point very very heavily against them being partners. Overall, extremely confident in Johhog being town here, if not based on individual play alone, then certainly based off his interactions with Baby Spice.

Baby Spice's Interactions With Other Slots Part Two (Arthur):


#176 where Arthur initially scumreads Baby Spice is a minor thing that I think he could plausibly fake as scum, but the rest of his interactions with Baby surely rule him out. For example, Baby spends a good portion of her time continuously criticizing Arthur's "lack of reasoning" for pushing the Mehdi wagon (starting at #275 - "Ser Arthur. No reason given, no reason aparent..."). Back and forth with Baby Spice about the defense of Mehdi, especially with #354's language and Arthur continuing to push for Baby's lynch later on in #526, is another thing that points against them being a team. While Baby Spice never really commits a vote here, #601, her mini-case surrounding Arthur's votes would just be really fucking weird as distancing. Another player that's pretty much cleared via interactions with Baby (and frankly, via his own individual play).

Baby Spice's Interactions With Other Slots Part Three (Tammy):


Doing this one anyway in case I'm wrong about rofl's crumbing and as a precaution against Gunsmith-immune Godfather or Mafia Doctor. Very little interaction early on but Baby Spice's criticism of Tammy's Mehdi vote/Johhog townread in #275 points against them being partners given the exaggerated, drama-building language she uses (e.g., "I find it strange that..." / "Then she takes the cake for complaining about Medhi daring to scum hunt.") as well as Tammy criticizing her "rather flaccid rundown" of the Mehdi wagon in #394/the criticism that Baby is willfully misrepresenting Johhog's vote and reasoning. There's a lot of genuine frustration between the two of them, starting with Baby's #534 that I think doesn't really work as distancing. Less confident in this one than I am with the other two since they both just kinda drop the issues they have with each other, but I think what I've pointed out here (and based off what I know of Tammy's meta she doesn't get frustrated like this with her partners as scum), the possible roflcopter crumb, and her own individual play being really town all work to rule her out as scum.

I'll put up the rest later.

P-Edit: Tammy, I need to re-assess too, I feel like I've been sucking this game and this scum flip just lit a fire under my ass. But honestly, I think the certainty with which roflcopter expresses that you're town in that post makes it far more likely he checked you than guiltied MoI...if he had done the latter, I don't think he'd have ever switched off MoI and probably would have claimed considering how much of a strong player MoI is.

More P-Edit: Yeah, nice job Arthur...well, I did have her as a non-townread. Kinda wish I hadn't second guessed.
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Post Post #760 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:05 pm

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i won't lie, that nacho lynch wasn't horrible, but there were still some better lynches :neutral:
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Post Post #761 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:06 pm

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Vote: Zach


Will read some stuff (prob later) but, yea, that's a good place to put my vote for now.
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Post Post #762 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:11 pm

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In post 545, roflcopter wrote:in addition i'm retracting my suspicion of tammy. it was poorly thought out to begin with and a second look reconfirms that she is town as hell.

This is prob the closest thing to a crumb upon a glance (I think Empire already said this though).
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Post Post #763 (ISO) » Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:27 am

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Had a pretty strong town read on Tammy anyway. Johhog read is also stronger now in light of Baby Spice's scum flip, I'm having a hard time seeing that reaction as fake.

I was gonna say that Nobody Special looked like the best shot for scum, but I do think that Baby Spice's 596 actually clears him because of the inside knowledge it betrays. I'm having a hard time seeing her make that masonry speculation of NS is on her team.

It's enough for me to file him off as town unless we get evidence of a 2nd scum team or an SK in the setup anyway.

I'm not seeing the big deal that Moi had previously made with Empire. I'm more leaning town on him.

That leaves Arthur, Snowstorm, Konowa, and DeasVail. Working POE here and will be seeing if I can narrow the list some more with ISO reads, but it's Snowstorm's late day 2 play that is drawing most of my interest.

Summary of that:
*A throwaway comment about how he doesn't like the attention on Baby Spice. (Which I am noticing now in light of her flip.)
*A response to Nacho that seems designed to discredit his reads. Not sure why that is needed at that point.
*Late day interactions with Baby Spice that just look odd. (734 and 739.) I can't figure out what the purpose of those interactions would be from a town perspective.

Vote: Snowstorm.
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Post Post #764 (ISO) » Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:29 am

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Slight edit to a portion of my post.

In post 763, Zachrulez wrote:I was gonna say that Nobody Special looked like the best shot for scum, but I do think that Baby Spice's 596 actually clears him because of the inside knowledge it betrays. I'm having a hard time seeing her make that masonry speculation
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Post Post #765 (ISO) » Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:01 am

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In post 763, Zachrulez wrote:I was gonna say that Nobody Special looked like the best shot for scum, but I do think that Baby Spice's 596 actually clears him because of the inside knowledge it betrays. I'm having a hard time seeing her make that masonry speculation of NS is on her team.

Eh yeah, and I think the late hop on the Baby wagon makes him less likely to be her partner despite the Nacho hammer but I'll dive into it later tonight/tomorrow since I'm out pretty much all of today.
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Post Post #766 (ISO) » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:25 am

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Tammy, why did you vote Kingmaker yesterday? Why him over MoI, Baby or NS?
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Post Post #767 (ISO) » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:36 am

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In post 763, Zachrulez wrote:A throwaway comment about how he doesn't like the attention on Baby Spice. (Which I am noticing now in light of her flip.)

Why do you think scum would say this about their buddy?
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Post Post #768 (ISO) » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:53 am

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In post 767, DeasVail wrote:
In post 763, Zachrulez wrote:A throwaway comment about how he doesn't like the attention on Baby Spice. (Which I am noticing now in light of her flip.)

Why do you think scum would say this about their buddy?


To derail the possibility of the momentum leading to a lynch.
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Post Post #769 (ISO) » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:03 am

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In post 763, Zachrulez wrote:
That leaves Arthur, Snowstorm, Konowa, and DeasVail. Working POE here and will be seeing if I can narrow the list some more with ISO reads, but it's Snowstorm's late day 2 play that is drawing most of my interest.

Summary of that:
*A throwaway comment about how he doesn't like the attention on Baby Spice. (Which I am noticing now in light of her flip.)
*
A response to Nacho that seems designed to discredit his reads. Not sure why that is needed at that point.
*Late day interactions with Baby Spice that just look odd. (734 and 739.) I can't figure out what the purpose of those interactions would be from a town perspective.


Vote: Snowstorm.


Could you elaborate on those two points?

That middle point is rather odd. You're accusing me of trying to discredit Nacho's reads when you yourself were set on lynching her even before she posted and you never even showed any interest in what she had to say, nor did you even appear after she posted and you knew she was replacing in.
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Post Post #770 (ISO) » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:11 am

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I'm also looking forward to your ISO reads.
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Post Post #771 (ISO) » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:37 am

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In post 769, SnowStorm wrote:
In post 763, Zachrulez wrote:
That leaves Arthur, Snowstorm, Konowa, and DeasVail. Working POE here and will be seeing if I can narrow the list some more with ISO reads, but it's Snowstorm's late day 2 play that is drawing most of my interest.

Summary of that:
*A throwaway comment about how he doesn't like the attention on Baby Spice. (Which I am noticing now in light of her flip.)
*
A response to Nacho that seems designed to discredit his reads. Not sure why that is needed at that point.
*Late day interactions with Baby Spice that just look odd. (734 and 739.) I can't figure out what the purpose of those interactions would be from a town perspective.


Vote: Snowstorm.


Could you elaborate on those two points?

That middle point is rather odd. You're accusing me of trying to discredit Nacho's reads when you yourself were set on lynching her even before she posted and you never even showed any interest in what she had to say, nor did you even appear after she posted and you knew she was replacing in.


I was committed to the lynch of that player slot based on the actions of DGB, and later some of the actions by Kingmaker after reading him that I never got a chance to post. He was getting lynched more than likely no matter what at that point so I don't see any point in attacking his reads. I would have liked to see him get a chance to post with a full read of the game in a more perfect world without a really short deadline looming. (One week deadlines... and no extension for replacements... wow.)

As to the last point. The interaction was interesting to me because you seemed to be opposed to the wagon, but the questioning seemed to indicate some level of suspicion to Baby Spice. If not that, then what was the purpose of that questioning?

I'm just thinking about the actions and the point in the game where the actions came, where a few more votes on Baby Spice would have likely ended up with her being lynched in Nacho's place the last day phase. (If I would have been in a position to put her in the lead with that little time to deadline I personally would have switched.) I'm just thinking about things in hindsight where your positions were crucially opposed to the idea of her being lynched.
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Post Post #772 (ISO) » Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:10 pm

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In post 771, Zachrulez wrote:
I was committed to the lynch of that player slot based on the actions of DGB, and later some of the actions by Kingmaker after reading him that I never got a chance to post. He was getting lynched more than likely no matter what at that point so I don't see any point in attacking his reads. I would have liked to see him get a chance to post with a full read of the game in a more perfect world without a really short deadline looming. (One week deadlines... and no extension for replacements... wow.)

As to the last point. The interaction was interesting to me because you seemed to be opposed to the wagon, but the questioning seemed to indicate some level of suspicion to Baby Spice. If not that, then what was the purpose of that questioning?

I'm just thinking about the actions and the point in the game where the actions came, where a few more votes on Baby Spice would have likely ended up with her being lynched in Nacho's place the last day phase. (If I would have been in a position to put her in the lead with that little time to deadline I personally would have switched.) I'm just thinking about things in hindsight where your positions were crucially opposed to the idea of her being lynched.


But I didn't attack Nacho's reads. I asked her to clarify them. It would have given us some more info had she flipped scum; I believe she could have even changed our minds about lynching her had she posted some more substance.

About Baby, I suspected her, but I also thought she could easily be just a bad town player and I didn't like the sudden attention she was getting, it felt like a derail of yours or Nacho's lynch, which had been the main wagons of the day. I especially didn't like that Nacho voted her, it seemed like a less obvious easy vote (voting you would have been the obvious).
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Post Post #773 (ISO) » Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:32 pm

Post by Tammy »

In post 766, SnowStorm wrote:Tammy, why did you vote Kingmaker yesterday? Why him over MoI, Baby or NS?


I wouldn't have voted NS yesterday, or at least nt when I voted kingmaker, so I'm not sure why you're asking about him. I don't know what to do about NS, and am nowhere confident in my scum read on him to vote him. I find NS incredibly frustrating to read. He often looks suspicious even when he's town. (remember rocky horror?). In NY146 when I was trying to decide between moi and ns in lylo, ns told me that his site wide meta was to be low content/lurk as town but try harder as scum. But when we were partners in Kanyes game, he lurked hard there too. So, I'm pretty much at a loss.

As for moi, baby and kingmaker, they existed in the same pool of I have working scum reads on them they need more attention day two for me to help with my reads. Day two started with two votes on moi, and he is someone who's going to produce content no matter what, and i felt pretty good that id be able to get a better read on him from that content. Johhog voted baby spice and I was interacting with her. Voting kingmaker meant that there was pressure on each of the people I wanted pressured yesterday, and I was hoping a vote would get kingmakers attention.

As for wh I thought he was scum, I didn't like his day one play or his lack of anything tangible on day two. He is usually low content/lurky but he's usually a bit more engaged in the game. He didn't look like he was actually looking for scum, and his vote and reasoning for archangel was pretty bad. It looked to me like he, along with others, was trying to stay off the mehdi lynch/spread their votes out. Dgb's replace in didn't help at all; her attitude didn't make sense for any alignment, but it didn't make me think any better of the slot. I do wish I would have come back to the game on Thursday or before deadline because nacho's replacement in post looked pretty town, and I think I would have given him the benefit of the doubt after that post and moved my vote. There's a very good chance I would have followed him onto baby spice. (I say that now, confirmation bias and all, but nacho typically has good reads and as I didn't have baby as town, I might have done that. At leas thats what I would like to think I would have done, but eh.)

Also, to answer nacho's question in case anyone else was wondering too. Empire not only hates being scum but isn't really ballsy as scum, so its not very likely that empire!scum tells vi in that he's doing it wrong, and essentially telling vi to follow his lead. I would expect him to be much more cautious in his dealings with vi if he were scum.
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Post Post #774 (ISO) » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:21 pm

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Where I'm at right now is that there are a number weak townreads that I need to have another look at before deciding my 'scumreads'. SnowStorm is not as scummy to me as he was, but is still not a strong townread.

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