NY 160B - Welcome to Castle Zar - TIME FOR FIREWORKS!
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Lady Mina's erractic orders are also responsible for the difference in style and finishes of the Eastern Tower; by the time she made up her mind on completing the upper floors, the granite quarry used for the lower floors was exhausted; the mismatching marble stairs had to be combined with local stone because of miscalculations due to her constant change of the final design. Architects and builders accross the Kingdom refused to take charge of the final touches of the building; it was said that the original commissioned artist was driven to madness and left to rot in the dungeons by the Lady of the Estate.
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* BELOW SCENE CONTAINS NO CLUES, JUST FLAVOR *
Nachomamma8,,Vanilla Towniehas been removed of the Zar Estate on Day Two.
It is nowNight Twoand will lastForty Eight(48) hours, starting 22:00 New York Time (GMT-5).
Deadline: January 06, 2013 10:00 PM New York Time. (GMT-5)
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-01-06 22:00:00)-
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Baby Spice,,Mafia Goonkilled on Night Two!
roflcopter,,Town Gunsmithkilled on Night Two!
It is now Day Three!-
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The First Major historic event hosted in the Zar Castle was the peace treaty among the Westerosi and Scummers, signed on Midsummer's Day of the year 1513.
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Empire Mafia Scum
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In post 545, roflcopter wrote:in addition i'm retracting my suspicion of tammy. it was poorly thought out to begin with and a second look reconfirms that she is town as hell.
Right here.
Going to mine through interaction stuff with Baby Spice in the next few posts. Off the top of my head, this scumflip basically clears Johhog and Arthur.-
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Hey VIG, nice shot! or serial killer...
Oh no, baby spice wasn't white knighting mehdi at all...not one tiny bit.
Bleh...I have some reassessing to do.
Empire, I don't know that rofl would have actually investigated me though. And in that same post he voted moi and wrote "ayup" before it. He also at the end of day in Post 682 said he would switch to nacho but we needed to make a solemn promise to lynch moi the next day. I mean as much as I would like to take that as verification of me being town, I think the post could have just as easily pointed to a guilty on moi. Hrm. I don't know. I need to think.
I guess well see what zach does today.-
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Going to start off with the easy ones first, if there's anything you guys want to comment on or help out here feel free.
Baby Spice's Interactions With Other Slots Part One (Johhog):
Baby Spice's vote on Johhog in #108 and continued criticism of his "ignoring" the salient parts of Mehdi's posts (#184) point against him being on her team. I also think the back and forth Johhog has with Baby Spice starting at #219 where he criticizes Baby's defense of Mehdi, Baby calling Johhog's vote "terribad" and the worst on the Mehdi wagon in #275, and the later cross voting early D2 (#548/#549 - especially the latter's attached reasoning) point very very heavily against them being partners. Overall, extremely confident in Johhog being town here, if not based on individual play alone, then certainly based off his interactions with Baby Spice.
Baby Spice's Interactions With Other Slots Part Two (Arthur):
#176 where Arthur initially scumreads Baby Spice is a minor thing that I think he could plausibly fake as scum, but the rest of his interactions with Baby surely rule him out. For example, Baby spends a good portion of her time continuously criticizing Arthur's "lack of reasoning" for pushing the Mehdi wagon (starting at #275 - "Ser Arthur. No reason given, no reason aparent..."). Back and forth with Baby Spice about the defense of Mehdi, especially with #354's language and Arthur continuing to push for Baby's lynch later on in #526, is another thing that points against them being a team. While Baby Spice never really commits a vote here, #601, her mini-case surrounding Arthur's votes would just be really fucking weird as distancing. Another player that's pretty much cleared via interactions with Baby (and frankly, via his own individual play).
Baby Spice's Interactions With Other Slots Part Three (Tammy):
Doing this one anyway in case I'm wrong about rofl's crumbing and as a precaution against Gunsmith-immune Godfather or Mafia Doctor. Very little interaction early on but Baby Spice's criticism of Tammy's Mehdi vote/Johhog townread in #275 points against them being partners given the exaggerated, drama-building language she uses (e.g., "I find it strange that..." / "Then she takes the cake for complaining about Medhi daring to scum hunt.") as well as Tammy criticizing her "rather flaccid rundown" of the Mehdi wagon in #394/the criticism that Baby is willfully misrepresenting Johhog's vote and reasoning. There's a lot of genuine frustration between the two of them, starting with Baby's #534 that I think doesn't really work as distancing. Less confident in this one than I am with the other two since they both just kinda drop the issues they have with each other, but I think what I've pointed out here (and based off what I know of Tammy's meta she doesn't get frustrated like this with her partners as scum), the possible roflcopter crumb, and her own individual play being really town all work to rule her out as scum.
I'll put up the rest later.
P-Edit: Tammy, I need to re-assess too, I feel like I've been sucking this game and this scum flip just lit a fire under my ass. But honestly, I think the certainty with which roflcopter expresses that you're town in that post makes it far more likely he checked you than guiltied MoI...if he had done the latter, I don't think he'd have ever switched off MoI and probably would have claimed considering how much of a strong player MoI is.
More P-Edit: Yeah, nice job Arthur...well, I did have her as a non-townread. Kinda wish I hadn't second guessed.-
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In post 545, roflcopter wrote:in addition i'm retracting my suspicion of tammy. it was poorly thought out to begin with and a second look reconfirms that she is town as hell.
This is prob the closest thing to a crumb upon a glance (I think Empire already said this though).vezokpiraka: If you are playing on EUNE we can duo.
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Had a pretty strong town read on Tammy anyway. Johhog read is also stronger now in light of Baby Spice's scum flip, I'm having a hard time seeing that reaction as fake.
I was gonna say that Nobody Special looked like the best shot for scum, but I do think that Baby Spice's 596 actually clears him because of the inside knowledge it betrays. I'm having a hard time seeing her make that masonry speculation of NS is on her team.
It's enough for me to file him off as town unless we get evidence of a 2nd scum team or an SK in the setup anyway.
I'm not seeing the big deal that Moi had previously made with Empire. I'm more leaning town on him.
That leaves Arthur, Snowstorm, Konowa, and DeasVail. Working POE here and will be seeing if I can narrow the list some more with ISO reads, but it's Snowstorm's late day 2 play that is drawing most of my interest.
Summary of that:
*A throwaway comment about how he doesn't like the attention on Baby Spice. (Which I am noticing now in light of her flip.)
*A response to Nacho that seems designed to discredit his reads. Not sure why that is needed at that point.
*Late day interactions with Baby Spice that just look odd. (734 and 739.) I can't figure out what the purpose of those interactions would be from a town perspective.
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Slight edit to a portion of my post.
In post 763, Zachrulez wrote:I was gonna say that Nobody Special looked like the best shot for scum, but I do think that Baby Spice's 596 actually clears him because of the inside knowledge it betrays. I'm having a hard time seeing her make that masonry speculationofif NS is on her team.-
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In post 763, Zachrulez wrote:I was gonna say that Nobody Special looked like the best shot for scum, but I do think that Baby Spice's 596 actually clears him because of the inside knowledge it betrays. I'm having a hard time seeing her make that masonry speculation of NS is on her team.
Eh yeah, and I think the late hop on the Baby wagon makes him less likely to be her partner despite the Nacho hammer but I'll dive into it later tonight/tomorrow since I'm out pretty much all of today.-
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In post 763, Zachrulez wrote:A throwaway comment about how he doesn't like the attention on Baby Spice. (Which I am noticing now in light of her flip.)
Why do you think scum would say this about their buddy?-
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In post 767, DeasVail wrote:In post 763, Zachrulez wrote:A throwaway comment about how he doesn't like the attention on Baby Spice. (Which I am noticing now in light of her flip.)
Why do you think scum would say this about their buddy?
To derail the possibility of the momentum leading to a lynch.-
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In post 763, Zachrulez wrote:
That leaves Arthur, Snowstorm, Konowa, and DeasVail. Working POE here and will be seeing if I can narrow the list some more with ISO reads, but it's Snowstorm's late day 2 play that is drawing most of my interest.
Summary of that:
*A throwaway comment about how he doesn't like the attention on Baby Spice. (Which I am noticing now in light of her flip.)
*A response to Nacho that seems designed to discredit his reads. Not sure why that is needed at that point.
*Late day interactions with Baby Spice that just look odd. (734 and 739.) I can't figure out what the purpose of those interactions would be from a town perspective.
Vote: Snowstorm.
Could you elaborate on those two points?
That middle point is rather odd. You're accusing me of trying to discredit Nacho's reads when you yourself were set on lynching her even before she posted and you never even showed any interest in what she had to say, nor did you even appear after she posted and you knew she was replacing in.-
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In post 769, SnowStorm wrote:In post 763, Zachrulez wrote:
That leaves Arthur, Snowstorm, Konowa, and DeasVail. Working POE here and will be seeing if I can narrow the list some more with ISO reads, but it's Snowstorm's late day 2 play that is drawing most of my interest.
Summary of that:
*A throwaway comment about how he doesn't like the attention on Baby Spice. (Which I am noticing now in light of her flip.)
*A response to Nacho that seems designed to discredit his reads. Not sure why that is needed at that point.
*Late day interactions with Baby Spice that just look odd. (734 and 739.) I can't figure out what the purpose of those interactions would be from a town perspective.
Vote: Snowstorm.
Could you elaborate on those two points?
That middle point is rather odd. You're accusing me of trying to discredit Nacho's reads when you yourself were set on lynching her even before she posted and you never even showed any interest in what she had to say, nor did you even appear after she posted and you knew she was replacing in.
I was committed to the lynch of that player slot based on the actions of DGB, and later some of the actions by Kingmaker after reading him that I never got a chance to post. He was getting lynched more than likely no matter what at that point so I don't see any point in attacking his reads. I would have liked to see him get a chance to post with a full read of the game in a more perfect world without a really short deadline looming. (One week deadlines... and no extension for replacements... wow.)
As to the last point. The interaction was interesting to me because you seemed to be opposed to the wagon, but the questioning seemed to indicate some level of suspicion to Baby Spice. If not that, then what was the purpose of that questioning?
I'm just thinking about the actions and the point in the game where the actions came, where a few more votes on Baby Spice would have likely ended up with her being lynched in Nacho's place the last day phase. (If I would have been in a position to put her in the lead with that little time to deadline I personally would have switched.) I'm just thinking about things in hindsight where your positions were crucially opposed to the idea of her being lynched.-
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In post 771, Zachrulez wrote:
I was committed to the lynch of that player slot based on the actions of DGB, and later some of the actions by Kingmaker after reading him that I never got a chance to post. He was getting lynched more than likely no matter what at that point so I don't see any point in attacking his reads. I would have liked to see him get a chance to post with a full read of the game in a more perfect world without a really short deadline looming. (One week deadlines... and no extension for replacements... wow.)
As to the last point. The interaction was interesting to me because you seemed to be opposed to the wagon, but the questioning seemed to indicate some level of suspicion to Baby Spice. If not that, then what was the purpose of that questioning?
I'm just thinking about the actions and the point in the game where the actions came, where a few more votes on Baby Spice would have likely ended up with her being lynched in Nacho's place the last day phase. (If I would have been in a position to put her in the lead with that little time to deadline I personally would have switched.) I'm just thinking about things in hindsight where your positions were crucially opposed to the idea of her being lynched.
But I didn't attack Nacho's reads. I asked her to clarify them. It would have given us some more info had she flipped scum; I believe she could have even changed our minds about lynching her had she posted some more substance.
About Baby, I suspected her, but I also thought she could easily be just a bad town player and I didn't like the sudden attention she was getting, it felt like a derail of yours or Nacho's lynch, which had been the main wagons of the day. I especially didn't like that Nacho voted her, it seemed like a less obvious easy vote (voting you would have been the obvious).-
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In post 766, SnowStorm wrote:Tammy, why did you vote Kingmaker yesterday? Why him over MoI, Baby or NS?
I wouldn't have voted NS yesterday, or at least nt when I voted kingmaker, so I'm not sure why you're asking about him. I don't know what to do about NS, and am nowhere confident in my scum read on him to vote him. I find NS incredibly frustrating to read. He often looks suspicious even when he's town. (remember rocky horror?). In NY146 when I was trying to decide between moi and ns in lylo, ns told me that his site wide meta was to be low content/lurk as town but try harder as scum. But when we were partners in Kanyes game, he lurked hard there too. So, I'm pretty much at a loss.
As for moi, baby and kingmaker, they existed in the same pool of I have working scum reads on them they need more attention day two for me to help with my reads. Day two started with two votes on moi, and he is someone who's going to produce content no matter what, and i felt pretty good that id be able to get a better read on him from that content. Johhog voted baby spice and I was interacting with her. Voting kingmaker meant that there was pressure on each of the people I wanted pressured yesterday, and I was hoping a vote would get kingmakers attention.
As for wh I thought he was scum, I didn't like his day one play or his lack of anything tangible on day two. He is usually low content/lurky but he's usually a bit more engaged in the game. He didn't look like he was actually looking for scum, and his vote and reasoning for archangel was pretty bad. It looked to me like he, along with others, was trying to stay off the mehdi lynch/spread their votes out. Dgb's replace in didn't help at all; her attitude didn't make sense for any alignment, but it didn't make me think any better of the slot. I do wish I would have come back to the game on Thursday or before deadline because nacho's replacement in post looked pretty town, and I think I would have given him the benefit of the doubt after that post and moved my vote. There's a very good chance I would have followed him onto baby spice. (I say that now, confirmation bias and all, but nacho typically has good reads and as I didn't have baby as town, I might have done that. At leas thats what I would like to think I would have done, but eh.)
Also, to answer nacho's question in case anyone else was wondering too. Empire not only hates being scum but isn't really ballsy as scum, so its not very likely that empire!scum tells vi in Post 30 that he's doing it wrong, and essentially telling vi to follow his lead. I would expect him to be much more cautious in his dealings with vi if he were scum.-
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