Mini 1412: 0 Percent Flavor Mafia Finis

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #125 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:46 am

The issue is that I thought it was day when fitz posted. I have no way of proving this, but there's no evidence to suggest I'm lying, merely that I made a wrong presumption as to day status when fitz's post was. It wasn't a lie, and nothing else I have said is a lie. Nothing I've said is inconsistant with what actually happened.

I mean if you really think this is a lynchable offence, by all means have at it.

Yates · Post Post #126 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:51 am

I disagree. I don't see how it is possible you didn't know the game hadn't started yet as you are alleging. To me, this sounds like caught scum not thinking through their defense.

In post 125, MonkeyMan576 wrote:I mean if you really think this is a lynchable offence, by all means have at it.

Thanks. I will.

Yates · Post Post #127 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:54 am

I'm also reading Day 1 of the game I linked to earlier where you were caught scum on Day 1. The pretending to be confused defense didn't work out for you in that one either did it?

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #128 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:57 am

I have been lynched quite a bit on day one unfortunately, but more often I have been town when it happened.

Yates · Post Post #129 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:58 am

Can you link me the most recent two examples?

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #130 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:01 am

I will but I'm working right now.

Yates · Post Post #131 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:03 am

Yup. When you get around to it. Maybe before hammer if you are Town?

havingfitz · Post Post #132 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:08 am

Tired of all the Monkey business.

Looking back he did say "

If

day has started blah blah blah" so UNVOTE:

Yates · Post Post #133 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:21 am

In post 132, havingfitz wrote:Tired of all the Monkey business.

"Monkey business." LOL.

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #134 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:29 am

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=21340
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=13390

-L- · Post Post #135 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:05 am

Yates has tunnel vision and does not wish to modify his view at all. This is not a positive town attribute to have, and a ballsy one for scum to have.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #136 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:12 am

In post 92, Slandaar wrote:Why is he damned if he 'backpedals'; he took new information into account ie what he should do as town so where is the damning part? (there isn't one) if he were town he would not feel damned for changing his mind with the new information presented ergo he is scum.

Because there's honestly two case scenarios here:

1) I keep pushing: "His case is so weak and he's pushing it too much, he must be scum!"

2) I backpedal: "He backed down too easily, he must be scum!"

Therefore, yes, it is "damned if I do damned if I don't".

Also Monkey is so scummy right now; if he flips scum (which I think he will) I'd like to look into Slandaar more.

P-Edit: Except Yates is probably right.

Yates · Post Post #137 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:14 am

What did you learn about lying as Town from mini 922?

Yates · Post Post #138 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:15 am

^^Above is at Monkey.

Yates · Post Post #139 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:17 am

In post 135, -L- wrote:This is not a positive town attribute to have, and a ballsy one for scum to have.

And you appear to be playing to your scum meta. We each have our crosses to bear.

The Acting Method · Post Post #140 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:27 am

Okay, having finally caught up...

Reading through, I don't get the Monkey man bandwagon. I just don't.

Haven't read the links, however the first thing that popped into my mind when I read the post that started this in question was, "Why did he think they were extending their chat into day one?"

I don't like that we have so many quiet people, (myself included.) But at this time, I don't feel strongly that either of the two main wagons are scum.

UNVOTE:

-L- · Post Post #141 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:31 am

In post 139, Yates wrote:
In post 135, -L- wrote:This is not a positive town attribute to have, and a ballsy one for scum to have.

And you appear to be playing to your scum meta. We each have our crosses to bear.

I have played mafia too long to have a meta, my dear. I have only a few games on this site, and only one completed. So if you would like others to believe I am playing to my "meta", how about you support your statement with examples?

-L- · Post Post #142 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:41 am

In post 136, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 92, Slandaar wrote:Why is he damned if he 'backpedals'; he took new information into account ie what he should do as town so where is the damning part? (there isn't one) if he were town he would not feel damned for changing his mind with the new information presented ergo he is scum.

Because there's honestly two case scenarios here:

1) I keep pushing: "His case is so weak and he's pushing it too much, he must be scum!"

2) I backpedal: "He backed down too easily, he must be scum!"

Therefore, yes, it is "damned if I do damned if I don't".

Also Monkey is so scummy right now; if he flips scum (which I think he will) I'd like to look into Slandaar more.

P-Edit: Except Yates is probably right.

The issue is not on whether you were correct about there being only two views on this backpedal. The issue lies in that being the only thing you see. A townie would have seen what he'd done as a mistake. A townie wouldn't have permutated all of the possible reactions to his backpedal.

Now you see what Slandaar was getting at?

And if Yates is wrong - how do we figure that into the equation?

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #143 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:45 am

In post 137, Yates wrote:What did you learn about lying as Town from mini 922?

Sometimes you have to lie as town. I try to avoid it though.

Unvote: HD

Would like to move beyond this and look at other options.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #144 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:47 am

In post 142, -L- wrote:
In post 136, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 92, Slandaar wrote:Why is he damned if he 'backpedals'; he took new information into account ie what he should do as town so where is the damning part? (there isn't one) if he were town he would not feel damned for changing his mind with the new information presented ergo he is scum.

Because there's honestly two case scenarios here:

1) I keep pushing: "His case is so weak and he's pushing it too much, he must be scum!"

2) I backpedal: "He backed down too easily, he must be scum!"

Therefore, yes, it is "damned if I do damned if I don't".

Also Monkey is so scummy right now; if he flips scum (which I think he will) I'd like to look into Slandaar more.

P-Edit: Except Yates is probably right.

The issue is not on whether you were correct about there being only two views on this backpedal. The issue lies in that being the only thing you see. A townie would have seen what he'd done as a mistake. A townie wouldn't have permutated all of the possible reactions to his backpedal.

Now you see what Slandaar was getting at?

And if Yates is wrong - how do we figure that into the equation?

1) Just because I'm a townie doesn't mean I shouldn't worry about an adverse reaction to my backpedal; although I suppose I can see what he's getting at.

2) I'll worry about that later if that's what happens. Right now, we can't determine whether he's right or not, but since I believe him to be right, I can at least make that assumption until it is proven otherwise.

havingfitz · Post Post #145 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:56 am

In post 143, MonkeyMan576 wrote:
In post 137, Yates wrote:What did you learn about lying as Town from mini 922?

Unvote: HD
.

What happened in the last 5 hours to change this:

In post 106, MonkeyMan576 wrote:HD still needs to be lynched.

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #146 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:01 am

It's called reevaluating. Some of us do it when things change during the day. Scum don't.

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #147 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:02 am

Basically I think HD is defending himself better and there are still people lurking that I'd like to see more of.

Human Destroyer · Post Post #148 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:03 am

Well fitz beat me to it, but this seems like an artificial attempt to get me to unvote Monkey

My vote stays, at least for now

MonkeyMan576 · Post Post #149 (ISO) » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:08 am

We have 5 players with 5 posts or less.