AMURIKA MAFIA - Game Over

[Hiraki]

120 is why Hiraki is scum. As I said earlier all of the "GUYZ GUYZ he's noobz" is such a soft defense without actually having to take a stance on his alignment, then repeated "joel wagon is bad" later on D1, again no stance on actual alignment is scum behavior.

Yes please, I remember when a wagon on someone who said all FoS' are bad must be subjected to the same tells on mafiascum to the highest degree.

[Konowa]

goodmorning is probably the remaining scum.

[Bulbazak]

goodmorning is probably the remaining scum.

Why?

[Hiraki]

because me and him are bros and i mean i'm obvious scum

[SaintKerrigan]

goodmorning is probably the remaining scum.

Double Confirm Vote: Konowa

[Konowa]

goodmorning "reserved judgement" on Joel due to meta clash. Cool. The furthest he went on Joel was 212 where he calls him anti-Town but never again mentions alignment on Joel.

199/200/201 read as scum/scum interaction (the softball questioning with lack of follow through).

215 is awful (Note the hey if Joel is scum Cryo "might" be bussing so watch out!).

[Bulbazak]

Misrepping much? 215 was in response to Joel's gambit with Cryo. She was explaining why it was a bad idea, since neither Joel or AA9 seemed to be able to figure it out. Plus, I've played with Morning-scum, and this is not her scum play. She is actively discussing and analyzing. You, however, are trying to turn minor nothings into major cases, and that's just plain scummy.

[Konowa]

I suppose that's what I get for reading iso's for association instead of reading for context. I'll concede that last point.

I think the first two points still point to possible association. I also don't get the push on Jason with "in light of flips".

[Konowa]

You mean town read?
She jumped in front of the wagon to maker her point about Joel from her own experience by saying

''he looks noob town as I was in similar position''

. She has enough experience to know how to keep distance from Joel if he was indeed her partner. I don't particularly agree with it and have Joel pegged as scum & taking strong stance is usually indicative of good town motives. By that accord; she is likely town then scum.
Also, FYI; as far as scum-hunting goes, you both have done pretty much same amount. Same as most of the players atm as far as I can see, so that's not exactly a argument indicative of alingment.

I don't see how one can get Jason as scum out of this post.

[DansAdvent]

not willing to lynch Konowa today

[DansAdvent]

Still think the rest of you are completely voting Bulk and Jason/Om for no good reasons, esp. in Bulk's case. Joel's miss of the FOS by him is not a reason to lynch. Joel really could have missed that.

[SaintKerrigan]

not willing to lynch Konowa today

Why?

[goodmorning]

How is [297] scummy by any working?

It was an argument framed from knowledge that joels was Scum. He did not leave open the possibility that joels could be Town.

[goodmorning]

Pressed the button by accident, but there's not much more to say.

I'll respond to this though.

goodmorning "reserved judgement" on Joel due to meta clash. Cool. The furthest he went on Joel was 212 where he calls him anti-Town but never again mentions alignment on Joel.

199/200/201 read as scum/scum interaction (the softball questioning with lack of follow through).

215 is awful (Note the hey if Joel is scum Cryo "might" be bussing so watch out!).

Yes, I did reserve judgement. I wasn't calling

him

anti-Town in 212 but rather his argument.

199-201 I asked him a question and he failed to answer intelligibly. I then ask him to clarify, he does not, and I give up. This is softball questioning how?

215 was me giving joels some worst-case scenarios to illustrate why his stupid "Lynch me, lynch you" argument/bet/bargain was anti-Town.

I'm not liking this half-assery.

[JasonWazza]

How is [297] scummy by any working?

It was an argument framed from knowledge that joels was Scum. He did not leave open the possibility that joels could be Town.

That's called confidence in reads

[goodmorning]

It's called knowledge of reads.

Or stupidity.

[JasonWazza]

So if i'm getting you right, you can't refer to someone as town and someone as scum before they flip, EVER.

Nice work.

[goodmorning]

No. That is not what I am saying, and I would thank you to stop misrepping me.

It was a scummy argument before the flip, because Om completely failed to allow for the possibility of joels being Town. That looks like Om has knowledge. Even the most confident read still has room for doubt, and there is no doubt here.
It is a Scum argument now, because the flip says I wasn't just being crazy.

[JasonWazza]

I don't leave doubt in my reads half the time, what your doing clearly isn't pressure, if you doubt your reads then the person your voting isn't going to have the same amount of pressure as he would if you showed that you didn't have a doubt.

By all means have doubt in your head but if you let doubt show in your actions your not doing it properly.

[Konowa]

I'm having a hard time believing that gm actually believes what she is saying. 297 is null as both alignments make statements like that all the time.

In other news, the NK makes sense now. gm wouldn't be able to use this arguement otherwise.

[JasonWazza]

In other news Konowa doesn't vote someone who he just called scum

[Konowa]

Because I'm voting Hiraki, who I called scum. Keep up.

[JasonWazza]

Woops i may have glossed over looking for your vote and missed it :/

[goodmorning]

You may also have glossed over all my other points.
307 and 330 might be of help to you.

That said, I'm on the cusp of changing votes to Konowa anyway. That slot has been 100% useless all game, and that much anti-Town behavior is not likely coming from Town.

@Konowa: NKing a top scumread of almost every player in the game would be the stupidest possible thing. Why would I bother doing it for the sake of this argument? If I were Scum, I could easily have gotten her mislynched today and used the same argument tomorrow against the Om/Jason slot.

Spoiler:

[JasonWazza]

297 is null as both alignments make statements like that all the time.

That addresses one part of your case in those posts, and saying who he thinks is likely possible scum partners i don't see how that comes from a scum mindset at all.