NY 162: A Week at the Theatres (Game Over)

[greygnarl]

I'm actually starting to like a wind-up lynch. He claimed PGO and then acted like it was no big deal which seemed really towny. Now, he's putting pressure on people and asking questions while not drawing attention to himself.

VOTE: wind-up

[Human Destroyer]

^so you mean he's scum for doing things a townie...should...be...doing?

???

[MrZepher]

Is nobody else going to chime in on the ROFLCOPTER thing?
Really?

Also JacobSavage should post something while he's reading the thread

predit: Another shit-post from Grey...

[Bacde]

@dramonic yeah I'm pretty content at this point I've pretty much provided all the content I see fit to provide on everything that has happened

Basically ZONEACE, dramonic, and zepher all look like good viable lynches to me right now

Wind-up is town not considering the PGO claim (which throws me off but his analysis looks good)

smashbard is town

the way Go has been acting and complaining has been pretty townie, despite some of his cases being bad

HD is town, especially for pointing out that last horribad post by greygnarl

greygnarl is probably town... I can't see his play as being a viable scum strategy because he will get lynched if he continues to play like this

there's really not more for me to say at this point

except maybe petapan, who has been sort of hiding by tunneling ZONEACE. If I didn't think ZONEACE was a good wagon I'd be more scrupulous of petapan as he is actively reducing the number of players he is interacting with, which can be a viable scum strategy

[MrZepher]

ISO ZONEACE if you want to see how a helpful townie should act

oh wait ZONEACE hasn't done more than I have nvm

meanwhile in ActionDan and JacobSavage

[Bacde]

^^I think ActionDan has provided good posts and content

Jacobsavage is being 'that guy' right now and def isn't helping out, but I'm unconvinced that its with a scum motive

I'm gonna have to think again about thetrollie

[Human Destroyer]

greygnarl is probably town... I can't see his play as being a viable scum strategy because he will get lynched if he continues to play like this

Everytime someone says "scum would never...", a goon earns a scummy.

[Bacde]

Either way, I'm intrigued by greygnarl and don't want to lynch him yet

I'll keep that quote in mind though.

I'm having a hard time thinking town would play like he is, but I'm having a harder time thinking that scum would play like he is

[Human Destroyer]

dramonic is a horribad lynch wtf

JS is on V/LA

What is the case on ZONEACE even

Zepher I'd be okay with

UNVOTE:
VOTE: greygnarl

[Human Destroyer]

Yeah I just did a quick ISO skim of dramonic

Where the fuck is the scum motivation, cause I don't see it

[Human Destroyer]

I could actually see Bacde as scum with greygnarl but I'll decide that for sure after greygnarl flips

rofl is also town

[ZONEACE]

dramonic is a horribad lynch wtf

JS is on V/LA

What is the case on ZONEACE even

Zepher I'd be okay with

UNVOTE:
VOTE: greygnarl

I was weird at the beginning of the game because of my Evita posts and.....


yeah. that's it. Smash and Bac marked me early, and without making a viable case (on me or any) bac has gone back to me.

[Smashbard]

Yeah I'm gonna go with Greygnarl til end of day phase. It's obvious at this point that we are too divided over 33% of the town wanting Dramonic, 33% of the town wanting Zepher and 33% of the town wanting Zoneace/Some other stupid lynch target.

So I'm gonna be in the latter 33%. Because I don't have strong scumreads on Zepher or Dramonic at the moment. But Grey has to go if we are ever going to get this game on track towards serious scumhunting.

Vote: Greygnarl

[Bacde]

^^I'm not seeing rofl as town but I'm not seeing him as scum (so I guess thats a null read)

but today has been slow enough for me to bus my partner and get some discussion going

Vote: Greygnarl

who thinks that this is an interesting move?

Pedit: ZONEACE seems to be suffering from amnesia. I voted him because his "case" on me involved him thinking that I wasn't going to scumhunt or work for the town, and him admitting that he did not have a scum or town read on me but wanted to lynch me either way. Its a case that scum would make because there is no accountability for being wrong.

Actually the way he talks about me and smash "marking" him early makes me want to vote him again, because he makes it seem like we randomly arrived at voting him for being weird when it was in fact for his bad line of reasoning.

Vote: ZONEACE

willing to hop on to either ZONEACE or Greygnarl or Zepher wagons right now

reconsidering dramonic I guess maybe I was ignoring his more recent posts?

[PeregrineV]

except maybe petapan, who has been sort of hiding by tunneling ZONEACE. If I didn't think ZONEACE was a good wagon I'd be more scrupulous of petapan as he is actively reducing the number of players he is interacting with, which can be a viable scum strategy

Is there anyone else tunneling anyone?

[Smashbard]

Greygnarl has been defending Zoneace from the very beginning for literally no reason whatsoever (Unless they are scum of course). So if Greygnarl gets lynched and flips scum Zoneace can be lynched tomorrow freely for his confirmed scumminess. Just sayin'.

[Human Destroyer]

@Bacde:

-Why does a such a supposedly bad case have a scum motivation? Do town not make bad cases as well?
-Why would ZONEACE consciously misrep your case as scum if people can just go back and look at it themselves?

Like seriously all I see is OMGUS from his "bad" case on you so it isn't really a good vote tbh

P-Edit: Smashbard, give me your full take on why ZONEACE is scum, thanks.

[Bacde]

Greygnarl has been defending Zoneace from the very beginning for literally no reason whatsoever (Unless they are scum of course). So if Greygnarl gets lynched and flips scum Zoneace can be lynched tomorrow freely for his confirmed scumminess. Just sayin'.

hell if greygnarl and zonace both flip scum then we can even lynch me the third day just for the fun of it

Vote: greygnarl

just because this wagon is gaining momentum and I want the revving to intensify

[Bacde]

@Bacde:

-Why does a such a supposedly bad case have a scum motivation? Do town not make bad cases as well?
-Why would ZONEACE consciously misrep your case as scum if people can just go back and look at it themselves?

Like seriously all I see is OMGUS from his "bad" case on you so it isn't really a good vote tbh

P-Edit: Smashbard, give me your full take on why ZONEACE is scum, thanks.

a lot of it is gut

a bad case has scum motivation when there is no

accountability

for the alignment of the player. Zoneace's argument was essentially "it doesn't matter if X is town or scum, we need to lynch X" which means if X flips town Zoneace could easily respond with "ah well it didn't matter his alignment anyway good lynch guys"

and scum consciously misrep the whole game... that's the point of being scum. So I figure misrepping one argument is just a small part of that

yeah I'm OMGUSing but thats bc I know my alignment (hint: town) which gives me more info about how bad ZONEACE's case is

[Bacde]

except maybe petapan, who has been sort of hiding by tunneling ZONEACE. If I didn't think ZONEACE was a good wagon I'd be more scrupulous of petapan as he is actively reducing the number of players he is interacting with, which can be a viable scum strategy

Is there anyone else tunneling anyone?

probably, do you notice anyone?

I'm just calling things out as I see it so I'm probably missing a lot

[Smashbard]

I don't think Zoneace is scum at the moment. Although Bacde has a good point that Zoneace is ignoring all the points brought against him from everyone's dickwagging before and thinking him being suspect is based solely out of weirdness.

Zoneace had once voted for Bacde saying he doesn't care if Bacde is town or scum, he's a distraction and needs to go. Which Bacde is speculating is scum motivation because he's not trying to lynch someone for being scummy, but just for being annoying.

MY reasons for the possibility of Zoneace being scum is only if Greygnarl flips scum.

Because Greygnarl has defended Zoneace since his very first post. So if Greygnarl flips scum it would be logical to believe that Zoneace is one of his scumpartners. This read would be completely independent of Zoneaces actions, because like I mentioned, everyone has acted so scummy this game that it' nearly pointless to try and draw individual scumtells. We have to look at INTERACTIONS. And Greygnarls flip will certainly confirm (at least in my mind) whether or not Zoneace is town or scum.

[Bacde]

I don't think a greygnarl flip of either alignment would confirm ZONEACE as either alignment

they are just points to consider if we get there

hell, as scum I often just defend a few townies which greygnarl could certainly be doing w/ ZONEACE

[Human Destroyer]

Yeah Bacde got there first

IMO it's WIFOM logic that I wouldn't personally use

[Bacde]

I'm gonna oppose the Zephyr lynch on the grounds that if he flips scum then people will lynch me.

I don't understand this post at all.

I didn't see a Zepher-Greygnarl connection before this post so I don't see why he was motivated to post this.

[Smashbard]

I don't think a greygnarl flip of either alignment would confirm ZONEACE as either alignment

they are just points to consider if we get there

hell, as scum I often just defend a few townies which greygnarl could certainly be doing w/ ZONEACE

So why do you support my lynch of Greygnarl? Considering one could argue that I don't care if Grey flips town or scum, I just want him gone for the sake of cutting off dead weight. How is that different than Zoneaces vote of you several pages ago?